RE: Linux whining (was Re: xterm and UTF8)

2003-02-22 Thread Kean Johnston
I'm sure it gives you a hardon to bash Linux, but you're being intellectually dishonest. For openers, sexual references are inappropriate. This is a list of professionals, and it ill behoves you to not treat us that way. Secondly, I was in *NO WAY* bashing Linux. I am a HUGE fan of open source

Re: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-21 Thread Mike FABIAN
Juliusz Chroboczek [EMAIL PROTECTED] さんは書きました: And, yes, of course xterm should start up in utf-8 mode if the locale encoding is UTF-8. MH Thanks, that was my original conclusion also. I had just MH wondered why it doesn't. Just an xterm bug I guess.

RE: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-21 Thread Owen Taylor
On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 12:47, Kean Johnston wrote: There's a libcharset that I think comes with libiconv and is also used in GLib that you can use to work around this problem. Which is fine if you use GNU iconv. For those of us that use the iconv as it was originally invented, libcharset

Re: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-20 Thread Gerd Knorr
Thomas Zander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can specify en_US.UTF-8 as your locale. Which implies to me that xterm can recognize, from its environment, the encoding, and act accordingly. Hope you aren't using the locale standard 'Variation' variable for that; in most europe countries

Re: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-20 Thread Gerd Knorr
. And exactly thats why xterm should come up in utf-8 mode in UTF-8 locales. * If your xterm runs in non-utf8 mode and your locale is de_DE both xterm and your terminal apps use iso-8859-1 and everything is fine. * If your xterm runs in utf8 mode and your locale use de_DE.UTF-8 both xterm

Re: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-20 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: Would it be sensible and acceptable to have xterm default to using the encoding of the user's locale at startup? Seems to be only if you happen to be running redhat 8.x I'd like to know what problems are caused by autodetecting the user's

Re: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-20 Thread Thomas Zander
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 06:32:56PM +0100, Gerd Knorr wrote: Thomas Zander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Conclusion; An xterm should be able to display chinese if man or ls outputs that, That works just fine if xterm and applications use the same charset. And exactly thats why xterm should

Re: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-20 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:30:43PM +0100, Thomas Zander wrote: Whatever the solution its a bug in ssh, not X. I have the opinion that forwarding does not solve all problems (since one of the machines may not know about utf8) so ssh could better convert the data stream using the different

Re: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-20 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
And, yes, of course xterm should start up in utf-8 mode if the locale encoding is UTF-8. MH Thanks, that was my original conclusion also. I had just MH wondered why it doesn't. Just an xterm bug I guess. *locale: true (Credit to Tomohiro Kubota.)

Re: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-20 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JG Though I disagree that ssh should not transmit the current locale: it JG _should_, precisely because it could be different coming from Solaris, JG or Debian, or Windows, and you want to make sure both sides agree on JG the encoding. Of course, this also assumes that there is some suitable JG

Re: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-20 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 01:50:40PM -0800, Kean Johnston wrote: You can specify en_US.UTF-8 as your locale. Which implies to me that xterm can recognize, from its environment, the encoding, and act accordingly. Which only encourages the sort of bugs that many an autoconf script has had,

Re: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-19 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 08:53:14PM +0100, Thomas Zander wrote: I've heard the same discussion on KDE lists. And as on KDE the point is that the whole system has to be utf-8 to work correctly. Close -- the way Red Hat 8 is set up, it seems like the whole world needs to be UTF8 :/ This is an

Re: xterm and UTF8

2003-02-19 Thread Thomas Zander
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 03:48:02PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 08:53:14PM +0100, Thomas Zander wrote: Its news to me that a locale can specify that its utf-8, since I always thought that locales don't define encodings. It's news, then :) You can specify en_US.UTF-8