On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:09 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
So for most users, when updating to updates-testing (or something
straight from bodhi/koji that has not been put in updates-testing) a 0
is the most likely response that should be given. A +1 should only be
given in cases where a
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:43 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
Neither can be done without an outside/neutral polling agency
contacting and getting responses from at least 600-3000 random Fedora
users. The poll that was given was one that could be easily stuffed
and not easily proven that it
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 00:55 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
What exactly are you trying to say?
Do not support newer hardware to give vendors a reaons to sell old
hardware ?
Not even. Just don't use new technology as excuse to accelerate abandonment
of old hardware. New stuff does not
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 07:55 +, Frank Murphy wrote:
Then why not change the way Fedora is presented in the release notes.
(said in half jest yesterday, by myself)
That to keep Fedora fully updated
A highspeed internet connection is recommended
No, I'm not trying to help create a
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 07:05 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
As usual, a pragmatical solution/compromise would be inbetween.
This is the fallacy of the middle way. it's simply not always true. If I
say I'd like to steal $100 from you, and you'd prefer me not to steal
any of your money, is the
Le samedi 13 mars 2010 à 06:50 +0100, Kevin Kofler a écrit :
Rawhide is not the answer. It comes with disruptive changes (and there's no
real way to avoid this problem,
So the right solution is to let you do your own disruptive changes in
stable so you don't have to deal with other people
On 03/13/2010 09:54 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 07:05 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
As usual, a pragmatical solution/compromise would be inbetween.
This is the fallacy of the middle way. it's simply not always true.
I disagree: fanatical radicalism is naive and will always
On 13 March 2010 01:46, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Kevin, you are continually talking as if you represent a vast majority
of all Fedora users and the Fedora project itself. You say we do
something, when you really mean the KDE SIG. Please stop trying to
speak for everybody else.
On 03/12/2010 05:07 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 03/12/2010 08:46 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
This is extremely poor attitude Kevin and reeks of arrogance. Talking
down on users and contributors who don't have the privilege of high
bandwidth connections isn't what I expected from you. Nothing
pe, 2010-03-12 kello 15:20 -0800, Jesse Keating kirjoitti:
Keeping that cutting-edge release practice, but adding to that stability
once released would indeed be a very unique and desirable niche for
Fedora to fill.
I've avoided participating in these threads, since I don't really want
to feed
On 03/13/2010 11:52 AM, Ville-Pekka Vainio wrote:
pe, 2010-03-12 kello 15:20 -0800, Jesse Keating kirjoitti:
As Fedora is the distribution I'm most familiar with, I've also
installed it on some of my family members' systems but lately I've been
considering switching those to Ubuntu once the
Le 13/03/2010 12:46, Ralf Corsepius a écrit :
You actually want a different distribution, likely a Fedora LTS, not
current Fedora.
Unfortunately, Fedora's leadership repeatedly had brushed off a Fedora
LTS as unmaintainable and redirected people to CentOS.
Ralf
Our primary mission is
On 03/13/10 11:46, Somebody in the thread at some point said:
On 03/13/2010 11:52 AM, Ville-Pekka Vainio wrote:
pe, 2010-03-12 kello 15:20 -0800, Jesse Keating kirjoitti:
As Fedora is the distribution I'm most familiar with, I've also
installed it on some of my family members' systems but
On 03/13/2010 03:57 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
Still trying to sort out coordination of our 2 packages by 2 different
maintainers that must be kept in sync. Surprise, one was automatically
pushed to stable due to karma.
Can that feature be selectively disabled?
In Bodhi web UI there is an
An increase of private mail is not leaving much time to participate in
these endless threads on devel list, if I still want to get something done
beyond that. So, just this:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:20:02 +0100, Kevin wrote:
There is no need to prove it: The mere RISK of losing 70-80% of our
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 19:56 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
Jon Masters wrote:
And prove your point that users are desperate for intrusive
rolling updates and won't just use Rawhide instead if they want to get
the very latest and greatest unbaked stuff.
First off: I'm not asking for
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On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:09 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
So for most users, when updating to updates-testing (or something
straight from bodhi/koji that has not been put in updates-testing) a 0
is the most
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
Here is where we have a definition problem. To me, unbaked stuff is
things that haven't had a good month of testing if its a large change
(a couple of days if its a small one).
If you
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:43 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
Neither can be done without an outside/neutral polling agency
contacting and getting responses from at least 600-3000 random Fedora
users. The poll that
Once upon a time, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net said:
Not even. Just don't use new technology as excuse to accelerate abandonment
of old hardware. New stuff does not instantly convert old stuff into bad
stuff. We don't force old BMWs into salvage yards just because new ones use
different
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:27:00 -0500
Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:
Dealing with the number of Fedora updates getting shoved out to
unsuspecting users is a bigger pain. I don't even bother to update my
system daily now because I know I may need to schedule some time to
fix something
Hi
There are a lot of generally useful macros in Fedora, which are not
described in the Fedora wiki: %__awk, %__bzip2, %__cat, %__chgrp,
%__chmod, %__chown, %__cp, %__cpio, %__file, %__gpg, %__grep,
%__gzip, %__id, %__install, %__ln_s, %__lzma, %__xz, %__make,
%__mkdir, %__mkdir_p, %__mv,
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 19:10 +0200, Nikolay Ulyanitsky wrote:
Hi
There are a lot of generally useful macros in Fedora, which are not
described in the Fedora wiki: %__awk, %__bzip2, %__cat, %__chgrp,
%__chmod, %__chown, %__cp, %__cpio, %__file, %__gpg, %__grep,
%__gzip, %__id, %__install,
NU == Nikolay Ulyanitsky lys...@lystor.org.ua writes:
NU Some maintainers use them, some do not.
I guess people who really like extra typing, wrist pain or spec files
which are difficult to read would use them.
NU What is recommended way?
It's up to you, but something like %{__cp} is
On Friday 12 March 2010 04:54:43 pm Jesse Keating wrote:
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 14:56 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
How does this proposal go with upgrades? I think stable updates +
upgrades are tight together. Are we going to be more conservative in new
releases too? Extend stable release
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:10:44 +0200, Nikolay wrote:
Hi
There are a lot of generally useful macros in Fedora, which are not
described in the Fedora wiki: %__awk, %__bzip2, %__cat, %__chgrp,
%__chmod, %__chown, %__cp, %__cpio, %__file, %__gpg, %__grep,
%__gzip, %__id, %__install, %__ln_s,
Compose started at Sat Mar 13 09:15:11 UTC 2010
Broken deps for i386
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easystroke-0.5.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libboost_serialization-mt.so.5
Hello, folks.
Is there anyone available to review the packages?
gluegen - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572512
jogl - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572515
Veja quais são os
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:05 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
I'd expect people that want 100% Free to use gNewSense. I'm not sure how
you define more ammeniable to new contributors, so that's harder to
address. Still, I
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Thomas Janssen
thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:05 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
I'd expect people that want 100% Free to use gNewSense. I'm not sure how
you
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 00:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
Fundamental point of view difference. You take the point of view of
push everything all the time /unless/ there is a good enough reason not
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/03/10 19:27, Adam Williamson wrote:
--snipped--
Bringing it back to dialup.
Fedora liveCD 500-700mb
CentOS DVD 3.5GB app.
Fedora 1, CentOS 0
In my experience, many users with restricted bandwidth actually
Hi Everybody,
I want to add two packages to comps in F-13 and devel:
- ueagle-atm4-firmware to hardware-support group as default
- linux-atm to dial-up group as default
Is there any objection to this ?
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On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 03:20:02AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
Right after you _prove_ that this IS the case. How quick would you be
to reject that poll as unscientific and meaningless if it didn't go your
way? I thought it was a bad idea and didn't even take a look.
Hicham Haouari wrote:
I want to add two packages to comps in F-13 and devel:
- ueagle-atm4-firmware to hardware-support group as default
- linux-atm to dial-up group as default
The justification(s) for this... are?
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