Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread Vaclav Misek
On 08/26/2010 01:58 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Heya! We shifted a few files around and most likely your /etc/systemd/system/default.target link will now point into the void, in case anaconda wrote it. If that happens to you and you end up in a rescue shell instead of a full system after

Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 26.08.10 10:07, Vaclav Misek (mi...@tnet.cz) wrote: Hello Lennart, it should be # ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/graphical.target /etc/systemd/system/default.target or # ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target /etc/systemd/system/default.target isn't it? :-) Yupp.

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-26 Thread Matej Cepl
Till Maas, Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:15:20 +0200: Does it support setting ip rule commands if an interface is up? http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/settings- spec-08.html I am not sure I know what you mean (I am not that great netadmin), but I a lot things can be done with scripts

Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:58:41 +0200 Lennart Poettering wrote: We shifted a few files around and most likely your /etc/systemd/system/default.target link will now point into the void, in case anaconda wrote it. That's unfortunate, especially because people upgrading from Alpha will hit this

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-26 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:08:27AM +, Matej Cepl wrote: Till Maas, Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:15:20 +0200: Does it support setting ip rule commands if an interface is up? http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/settings- spec-08.html I am not sure I know what you mean (I am not

Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:32:21 +0200 Michal Schmidt wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:58:41 +0200 Lennart Poettering wrote: We shifted a few files around and most likely your /etc/systemd/system/default.target link will now point into the void, in case anaconda wrote it. That's unfortunate,

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Matej Cepl
Matthew Miller, Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:09:52 -0400: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 08:58:50AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Why are you complaining? If your package needs an MTA - put in a Requires! If we follow the general state of things: if a package might need something, toss it in as a

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Matej Cepl
Matthew Garrett, Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:43:36 +0100: If the question is How do I ensure that important system messages get delivered to someone who can do something about them in a timely manner, a local MTA isn't a great answer. It would be if (rather obvious)

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-26 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:41:45PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think anyone can generalize that the usage of Fedora is declining.  What we can prove, and

rawhide report: 20100826 changes

2010-08-26 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Aug 26 08:15:27 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnat-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.x86_64

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-26 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 09:49 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matt McCutchen wrote: I think that's precisely the concern. In the event that F14 goes back to upstart, the final release will use a configuration that may not have received much testing. Don't Do That Then. :-) It's just another

Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 08/26/2010 12:05 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: FYI, Fedora 14 Alpha testers: Please read the following, since this update issue will hit you after you install Fedora 14 Alpha and then update. We probably need to spread this news out wider and add to the Common F14 bugs page And emphasise

Orphaning slim

2010-08-26 Thread Lorenzo Villani
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I'm orphaning the SLIM display manager because: - - Upstream is (mostly) dead¹; - - I find this software to be broken beyond relief; - - Up until 1.3.2 I had to maintain a huge stack of more than ten patches; - - I'm not using it anymore;

Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 01:58 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Heya! We shifted a few files around and most likely your /etc/systemd/system/default.target link will now point into the void, in case anaconda wrote it. If that happens to you and you end up in a rescue shell instead of a full

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 06:30 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: 3. keep a history of the notifications 4. max. number of notifications at the time 5. click able notifications 6. stackable notifications I think that, at least on KDE, you really want to leave that stuff

Re: Old gdm themes

2010-08-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/26/2010 07:10 AM, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: Why are bluecurve-gdm-theme and fedoraflyinghigh-gdm-theme still in the distribution? The other gdm theme packages were deprecated after F12 (!?!), and I was under the impression that none of them work with new-style gdm at all. file it at

Re: Orphaning slim

2010-08-26 Thread Petr Sabata
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:21:31PM +0200, Lorenzo Villani wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I'm orphaning the SLIM display manager because: - - Upstream is (mostly) dead¹; - - I find this software to be broken beyond relief; - - Up until 1.3.2 I had to maintain a huge

Request compose of image for Software Review UI from Releng

2010-08-26 Thread noriko
Hi Release Engineering team F14 collection packages should be built with latest translation by today, 26-Aug. Could you please kindly compose the image with those latest packages for software translation review? Translators are scheduled to have review and correct software translation in

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:13:05PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Hmm, why is libcgroup pulled in by policycoreutils? What's the rationale? It is used for confining sandboxes. Having now looked at both projects, it appears to me that they are in conflict. They could be made to work side by

systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 01:58:41AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Sorry for breaking this (again), but with this in place things should be at the appropriate places now for F14. What about for Rawhide, where I'm testing all of this? It looks like the update was just built on F14. Thanks! --

Re: Orphaning slim

2010-08-26 Thread Chen Lei
It seems upstream released a new version one months ago. See http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2663 Chen Lei -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Orphaning slim

2010-08-26 Thread Petr Sabata
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:19:21PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote: It seems upstream released a new version one months ago. See http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2663 It's already in Fedora (F12+, testing). Chen Lei -- devel mailing list

Re: [389-devel] [389-users] Incremental Replication over SSL ( and startTLS) with simple bind crashes the latest version

2010-08-26 Thread Rich Megginson
Andrey Ivanov wrote: 2010/8/25 Rich Megginson rmegg...@redhat.com mailto:rmegg...@redhat.com Andrey Ivanov wrote: 2010/8/25 Rich Megginson rmegg...@redhat.com mailto:rmegg...@redhat.com mailto:rmegg...@redhat.com mailto:rmegg...@redhat.com

Review swaps

2010-08-26 Thread Chen Lei
I've have several review requests that have been sitting around for a while now. Many of them are new dependencies for existing packages in fedora, anyone want to swap? EmfEngine(new dep for qtiplot 0.9.8.1): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=618480 libqmf (dep for

perl-MooseX-SemiAffordanceAccessor license change

2010-08-26 Thread Iain Arnell
I've just updated perl-MooseX-SemiAffordanceAccessor from 0.05 to 0.08 which brings a license change from GPL+ or Artistic (aka same as Perl) to Artistic 2.0. -- Iain. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 01:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/26/2010 01:22 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: I don't have time for it, and I think it's fundamentally misguided. If someone else feels like owning it, go wild. This will probably also require access to the upstream repo, so, do

Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 08/26/2010 07:39 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: sarcasm modeIt's nice that I cannot boot, but it's even nicer that I cannot get to that point since I cannot shutdown either.../sarcasm mode So, I've updated to v8 (and of course forget to create that above mentioned symlink) and logged off and

Broken dependencies: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule

2010-08-26 Thread buildsys
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the F-14 tree: On x86_64: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) On i386: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) Please resolve this as soon as

Re: systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 01:58:41AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Sorry for breaking this (again), but with this in place things should be at the appropriate places now for F14. What about for Rawhide, where I'm testing all of this? It looks like

[perl-File-ChangeNotify] updating to latest GA CPAN version (0.16)

2010-08-26 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 4209272d9d7e76b0c38cb51a25f374a3b7bd4cd1 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Thu Aug 26 18:00:34 2010 +0200 updating to latest GA CPAN version (0.16) - update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.006 - new license Artistic 2.0 - altered br on

perl-File-ChangeNotify license change

2010-08-26 Thread Iain Arnell
I've also updated perl-File-ChangeNotify from 0.13 to 0.16 which has the same license change from GPL+ or Artistic to Artistic 2.0. -- Iain. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

[Bug 627670] New: EPEL branch request for perl-Test-Without-Module

2010-08-26 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: EPEL branch request for perl-Test-Without-Module https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627670 Summary: EPEL branch request for perl-Test-Without-Module

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:59:59AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Dan, *could* systemd as it stands provide what you need for sandboxes? Having looked a bit more at libcgroup, let me put this question in an entirely different way, because I understand better what's going on. So: Dan, do you use

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/26/2010 09:59 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:13:05PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Hmm, why is libcgroup pulled in by policycoreutils? What's the rationale? It is used for confining sandboxes. Having now looked at

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/26/2010 12:18 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:59:59AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Dan, *could* systemd as it stands provide what you need for sandboxes? Having looked a bit more at libcgroup, let me put this question

Re: Orphaning slim

2010-08-26 Thread Lorenzo Villani
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/26/2010 03:29 PM, Petr Sabata wrote: Looks like something I've been looking for ;) Taken. (F14 rawhide) I can release ownership on F-12 and F-13 too, if you want. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment:

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 01:04:33PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: I don't know. My goal with sandbox was to allow users to startup sandboxes in such a way that they could be still killed. Is there a way in cgroups to say dwalsh gets 80% CPU Then allow dwalsh to specify sandboxes can only

Re: systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:37:52AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: What about for Rawhide, where I'm testing all of this? It looks like the update was just built on F14. rawhide's currently inheriting systemd from F-14; it will get the new version when it gets to the stable tree. Really? I

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Paul W. Frields wrote: My hunch is that a couple thousand a week are probably due to cable modems or laptops moving to addresses we simply haven't seen before. That's about how many new IPs appear for Fedora 7 or Rawhide each week. But there's just no way to tell cause other than hunches.

Re: systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said: What about for Rawhide, where I'm testing all of this? It looks like the update was just built on F14. rawhide's currently inheriting systemd from F-14; it will get the new version when it gets to the stable tree. Really? I haven't been paying

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Jackson wrote: Static configuration should be something you can do from the dynamic configuration tool. gnome-display-properties should have a set as default button. Uh… 1. Not everyone uses GNOME. 2. What about systemwide settings? (system-config-display did those.) 3. What if you can't

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-26 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: We probably need to attack this trend more aggressively, like putting expiration dates into the installer after which it'll just refuse to install Honestly, that's just a great way to turn more people off. There are plenty of valid

Re: systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 01:56:03PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Really? I haven't been paying enough attention, I guess. Why don't inherited packages hit rawhide when they get to the testing tree? Seems like that'd help a lot with the testing! There's the chance that things could go into

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-26 Thread Mahmoud Abdul Jawad
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 06:30 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: I have to agree with Kevin here (!). Employing a notification system in parallel to the ones already provides by the desktop environment is a total nonstarter.

Re: F-14 Branched report: 20100826 changes

2010-08-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Branched Report wrote: poppler-0.14.2-1.fc14 - * Thu Aug 19 2010 Marek Kasik mka...@redhat.com - 0.14.2-1 - Update to 0.14.2 - Remove poppler-0.12.1-objstream.patch [snip] texlive-2007-56.fc14 * Fri Aug 20 2010 Jindrich Novy jn...@redhat.com 2007-56

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:59 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: Static configuration should be something you can do from the dynamic configuration tool. gnome-display-properties should have a set as default button. Uh… 1. Not everyone uses GNOME. Very

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: 2. What about systemwide settings? (system-config-display did those.) What system wide settings? The settings in xorg.conf which apply to all users. Presumably, a make default button would be per user. Or would it be for the systemwide xorg.conf? Personally, I'd find that

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 10:59 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 01:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/26/2010 01:22 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: I don't have time for it, and I think it's fundamentally misguided. If someone else feels like owning it, go wild. This will

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-26 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 10:08 +, Matej Cepl wrote: With the old network service it was still possible to manually use iwconfig and wpa-supplicant and therefore WPA. Or to create a OpenVPN tunnel, which I would prefer more than using WPA in terms of security. But with NetworkManager

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org writes: What's the benefit of having no default MTA at all? Is it that Desktop users don't care about MTAs being installed? what about those of us who care more about server installations than Desktop? I have desktops with no MTA. I can read mail on them

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Kevin Kofler wrote: 3. What if you can't bring up X in the first place? (You can't run gnome- display-properties if you can't get into X. system-config-display --reconfig was a way to fix such problems.) That's an X bug. File a bug. Also, an RFE: X should back out and use VESA if the

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:59 +0200 Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: Static configuration should be something you can do from the dynamic configuration tool.  gnome-display-properties should have a set as default button. Uh… 1.

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/26/2010 01:18 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 01:04:33PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: I don't know. My goal with sandbox was to allow users to startup sandboxes in such a way that they could be still killed. Is there

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 13:32 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: 3. What if you can't bring up X in the first place? (You can't run gnome- display-properties if you can't get into X. system-config-display --reconfig was a way to fix such problems.) That's an X bug. File

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 20:27 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: 2. What about systemwide settings? (system-config-display did those.) What system wide settings? The settings in xorg.conf which apply to all users. Presumably, a make default button would be per user. Or would

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Dhaval Giani
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/26/2010 01:18 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 01:04:33PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: I don't know.  My goal with sandbox was to allow users to

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 20:30 +0200, Krzysztof Halasa wrote: Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org writes: What's the benefit of having no default MTA at all? Is it that Desktop users don't care about MTAs being installed? what about those of us who care more about server installations than

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/26/2010 02:49 PM, Dhaval Giani wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/26/2010 01:18 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at

1 more git problem

2010-08-26 Thread Neal Becker
Updating mercurial (stop laughing) to 1.6.3. I updated master, f14, f13. Made some mistake on f12. Now: git status # On branch f12 # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/f12/master' by 1 commit. # nothing to commit (working directory clean) git merge master Already up-to-date. fedpkg build Could

Re: 1 more git problem

2010-08-26 Thread Jochen Schmitt
Am 26.08.10 20:58, schrieb Neal Becker: Updating mercurial (stop laughing) to 1.6.3. I updated master, f14, f13. Made some mistake on f12. Now: git status # On branch f12 # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/f12/master' by 1 commit. # nothing to commit (working directory clean) git

Re: 1 more git problem

2010-08-26 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:58:40PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: Updating mercurial (stop laughing) to 1.6.3. I updated master, f14, f13. Made some mistake on f12. Now: git status # On branch f12 # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/f12/master' by 1 commit. fedpkg build Could not initiate

Re: 1 more git problem

2010-08-26 Thread Neal Becker
Jochen Schmitt wrote: Am 26.08.10 20:58, schrieb Neal Becker: Updating mercurial (stop laughing) to 1.6.3. I updated master, f14, f13. Made some mistake on f12. Now: git status # On branch f12 # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/f12/master' by 1 commit. # nothing to commit (working

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-26 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: Great. It works fine on a laptop, in general. But on a desktop/server/workstation that is connected for weeks at a time (like mine), I don't want to have to do clicky buttony stuff just to make my network work.

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Cronenworth wrote: Also, an RFE: X should back out and use VESA if the auto-detected, or configured, driver fails after 3 attempts instead of attempting to start 30 times and failing 30 times. A desktop notification should be triggered that says Hey! X failed and you're using a basic

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Björn Persson
Michael Cronenworth wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: 3. What if you can't bring up X in the first place? That's an X bug. File a bug. I wonder how usable Bugzilla is in Lynx with 80×25 characters. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-26 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
Kevin Kofler wrote: We probably need to attack this trend more aggressively, like putting expiration dates into the installer after which it'll just refuse to install, stuffing fedora-release-n+1 into the Fedora n updates repository at Fedora n's EOL date etc. Not only is this

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-26 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, August 26, 2010, 3:17:52 PM, Jeff wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: Great. It works fine on a laptop, in general. But on a desktop/server/workstation that is connected for weeks at a time (like mine), I don't want to have to do

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:20:23PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Michael Cronenworth wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: 3. What if you can't bring up X in the first place? That's an X bug. File a bug. I wonder how usable Bugzilla is in Lynx with 80×25 characters. Works absolutely fine with

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/27/2010 12:20 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: That wasn't the question. The question was what is the benefit of not having one. Is it simply that it saves 1.6MB of disk space? If so, uh, woop? I think, that reverses the responsibility. If anything is installed by default, *that* needs a

Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 26.08.10 12:32, Michal Schmidt (mschm...@redhat.com) wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:58:41 +0200 Lennart Poettering wrote: We shifted a few files around and most likely your /etc/systemd/system/default.target link will now point into the void, in case anaconda wrote it. That's

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: Static configuration should be something you can do from the dynamic configuration tool. gnome-display-properties should have a set as default button. Uh… 1. Not everyone uses GNOME. Demonstrably true, but I

Re: 1 more git problem

2010-08-26 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 15:16 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: But, I hope this doesn't mean f12 is out of sync with f13, f14, master. They should all be identical. It looks like f12, f14, and rawhide are all the same, and f13 has one extra commit: $ git show-branch

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-26 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 11:17 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: Great. It works fine on a laptop, in general. But on a desktop/server/workstation that is connected for weeks at a time (like mine), I don't want to have to do

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 01:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/27/2010 12:20 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: That wasn't the question. The question was what is the benefit of not having one. Is it simply that it saves 1.6MB of disk space? If so, uh, woop? I think, that reverses the

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: Static configuration should be something you can do from the dynamic configuration tool.  gnome-display-properties should have a set as default

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 01:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/27/2010 12:20 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: That wasn't the question. The question was what is the benefit of not having one. Is it simply that it saves

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-26 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:51:09 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: It is completely unresponsible to install obsolete releases which don't get security updates anymore, and some people just won't listen. Some people also have no choice due to hardware requirements and have

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 01:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/27/2010 12:20 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: That wasn't the question. The question was what is the benefit of not having one. Is it simply that it saves

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 03:59:06PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: 1. Not everyone uses GNOME. Demonstrably true, but I don't see how it's relevant. You suggested

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-26 Thread Mark Chappell
On 26/08/2010, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: Just to be clear.. its the clickity nature of the initial system wide configuration that is the barrier for you? if you had a reasonable non-clickity way to add a system wide on-boot activated network controlled networkmanager via cli would

Re: 1 more git problem

2010-08-26 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 15:56 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: $ git show-branch remotes/origin/{f12/,f13/,f14/,}master $ git diff refs/remotes/origin/{f12,f13}/master To avoid any possible confusion: the inconsistency in the arguments I used was just sloppy, it doesn't have a special meaning. git

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Frank Murphy
On 26/08/10 21:10, mike cloaked wrote: snip Or put another way I wonder what fraction of users would include yum install sendmail (or equivalent) as one of the first actions after an install? As an ordinary? user, it's yum install exim, as I dont know of another method as of yet, to get

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 26.08.10 09:59, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:13:05PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Hmm, why is libcgroup pulled in by policycoreutils? What's the rationale? It is used for confining sandboxes. Having now looked at both projects, it

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 16:00 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: I think that makes sense if we're talking about adding a default, but taking one out - especially something that's been default in all Unix-y OSes for ever - is a different case. sendmail currently serves little to no use on a

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 26.08.10 13:04, Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) wrote: Dan, *could* systemd as it stands provide what you need for sandboxes? I don't know. My goal with sandbox was to allow users to startup sandboxes in such a way that they could be still killed. Is there a way in

Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread M A Young
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Lennart Poettering wrote: How about making the postinstall script in systemd-units detect this condition (default.target pointing to a nonexistent file) and fix it up automatically? Note that version 8-2 waiting in bodhi should now handle upgrades from the alpha without

Re: New fedpkg build coming to an update repo near you!

2010-08-26 Thread Jesse Keating
Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Jesse Keating, Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:44:34 -0700: I just submitted updates for el5 and f1{2,3,4} as well as a build for rawhide (f15) of a new fedpkg build. Here is a summary from the rpm: EL6? -- A build, and a later build, was done for el6. -- Sent

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 15:59 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: Static configuration should be something you can do from the dynamic configuration

Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
M A Young (m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk) said: Note that version 8-2 waiting in bodhi should now handle upgrades from the alpha without problems. Does it cope with the shutdown problem? After I updated systemd to 8 I couldn't shut the computer down, because (if I am remembering correctly) it

Re: 1 more git problem

2010-08-26 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 03:16:14PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: But, I hope this doesn't mean f12 is out of sync with f13, f14, master. They should all be identical. I usually gitk --all to check this. The green labels need all to point to the same commit for all to be equal. Btw. there are

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:19:44PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: 2) systemd mounts all hierarchies exposed by the kernel by default. The scheme how it does that follows the default configuration libcgroup installs (modulo the recent /sys/fs/cgroup root dir change). We mount Would it

Re: 1 more git problem

2010-08-26 Thread Thomas Moschny
2010/8/26 Till Maas opensou...@till.name: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 03:16:14PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: But, I hope this doesn't mean f12 is out of sync with f13, f14, master. They should all be identical. I usually  gitk --all to check this. The green labels need all to point to the same

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 16:00 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: I think that makes sense if we're talking about adding a default, but taking one out - especially something that's been default in all Unix-y OSes for ever

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 05:25:18PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: We're going in circles. I already said that I think the best fix for this is to replace sendmail with an MTA which works 'out of the box'. For what purpose? It has never worked in all of Fedora's existence -- no one expects it

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 03:59:06PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: 1. Not everyone uses

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 26.08.10 17:03, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:19:44PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: 2) systemd mounts all hierarchies exposed by the kernel by default. The scheme how it does that follows the default configuration libcgroup installs

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 05:28:31PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: system-config-display depends on gtk, so it's all a matter of degree. No, I would never mention Gtk as a dep. So, like I said, it's a matter of

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 05:25:18PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: We're going in circles. I already said that I think the best fix for this is to replace sendmail with an MTA which works 'out of the box'. For what

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 26.08.10 23:30, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: On Thu, 26.08.10 17:03, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:19:44PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: 2) systemd mounts all hierarchies exposed by the kernel by default. The

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-26 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/8/26 Mahmoud Abdul Jawad abduljawad.mahm...@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 06:30 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: I have to agree with Kevin here (!). Employing a notification system in parallel to the ones

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