Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 12:01:08PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 01.07.2020 11:28, Alexey A. wrote: > > Stop using the L-word, please: BIOS is not "legacy", it's just > > alternative way (one of many). > > Using BIOS boot on UEFI-compatible systems is a legacy, because it works >

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 04:25:58PM +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > W dniu 30.06.2020 o 16:20, Tom Hughes via devel pisze: > > On 30/06/2020 15:00, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> * Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > >> > >>> Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream > >>> changes it

Re: Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 08:03:11AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:00 AM Peter Rajnoha wrote: > > > > On 6/30/20 9:35 PM, Igor Raits wrote: > > > On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 15:18 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SID > > > > > >> == Summary == >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:55 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:03 PM Michael Catanzaro > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:16 pm, Stephen John Smoogen > > wrote: > > > The issue isn't that you haven't done your work. It is that it looks > > > like you were set

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 08:09, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:43:57 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > In the end we have limited resources and you are running into those > > limits. We can either have fewer builders with more disk space and a > > long queue of builds or we

Re: [Fedora-packaging] RPM-level auto release and changelog bumping - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 at 21:19, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/rpm_level_auto_release_and_changelog_bumping > > == Summary == > > redhat-rpm-config will be updated so users of the auto framework get > automated release and changelog bumping. > > == Owner == > > *

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Steven Whitehouse
Hi, On 01/07/2020 07:54, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 03:15:23PM -0400, Solomon Peachy wrote: So yes, I think an explicit "let's all test btrfs (as anaconda configures it) before we make it default" period is warranted. Perhaps one can argue that Fedora has

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Javier Martinez Canillas
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:37 AM Lennart Poettering wrote: [snip] > > My suggestion would be: don't standardize on boot loaders, standardize > on the boot loader spec. And I mean, the real boot loader spec, i.e Agreed. In part that's already the case for Fedora, since now besides GRUB the zipl

Re: python-sphinx_rtd_theme update: comments requested

2020-07-01 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 01. 07. 20 2:07, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 01. 07. 20 0:47, Jerry James wrote: Third, any package that includes documentation generated from this package will need this: Requires:   font(fontawesome) Requires:   font(lato) Requires:   font(robotoslab) Quick idea: Package an RPM

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Konstantin Kharlamov
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 18:41 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 4:30 PM Konstantin Kharlamov > > > Good for you. But you're trying take take decision for all other peoples, so > > you > > need to take into account not everyone has NVMe or SSD. HDDs that many > > people > > are

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:03 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:16 pm, Stephen John Smoogen > wrote: > > The issue isn't that you haven't done your work. It is that it looks > > like you were set up to fail. The email from Michael comes across that > > Workstation

Re: module 'posix' not found when module load mpi/mpich-x86_64

2020-07-01 Thread Tom Callaway
Lmod needed a little patch to detect Lua 5.4 as a valid version, but it's fixed and rebuilt in rawhide now (Lmod-8.3.17-2.fc33). Thanks, Tom On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 30. 06. 20 19:34, Christoph Junghans wrote: > > Adding > > BuildRequires: lua-posix > > doesn't

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 02:09, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > Hi, > > I have tried to enable debuginfo for Chromium but it cannot fit the disk. > During local build it has 160GB (on x86_64) and Koji shows (moreover AFAIK > shared for multiple builders): > >

Re: [fedora-java] Re: java stack is dead, long live the javastack (was "500 packages FTBFS in rawhide with java-11-openjdk as system JDK")

2020-07-01 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:52 AM Jiri Vanek wrote: > > On 6/29/20 1:59 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 2:39 PM Jiri Vanek > > wrote: > > > > Current stats from my testing samples: > > 408 failing > > 263 passing > > > > > >

Re: Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:00 AM Peter Rajnoha wrote: > > On 6/30/20 9:35 PM, Igor Raits wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 15:18 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SID > > > >> == Summary == > >> Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon (SID) that aims to provide a >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Peter Oliver
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: It has key bindings that are quite unlike any other program Well, any other program that a newcomer is nowadays reasonably likely to be familiar with. The keybindings are from the Pico text editor, and the Pine and Alpine email clients. --

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:30:21AM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > So, this was discussed quite a bit in > https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/71 and the conclusion that > the Workstatopn Working Group came to 3 months ago was that we didn't > want to do this. We basically understood that main

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 03:27:45PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 04:00:00PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > > > > > Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream > > > changes it beg the question if now would not be the

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 01/07/2020 11:53, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:30:21AM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: So, this was discussed quite a bit in https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/71 and the conclusion that the Workstatopn Working Group came to 3 months ago was that we didn't want to

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Steven Whitehouse
Hi, On 01/07/2020 12:09, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 11:28:10AM +0100, Steven Whitehouse wrote: Hi, On 01/07/2020 07:54, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 03:15:23PM -0400, Solomon Peachy wrote: So yes, I think an explicit "let's all

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 2:00:09 PM CEST Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:43:57 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > In the end we have limited resources and you are running into those > > limits. We can either have fewer builders with more disk space and a > > long queue of

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 09:36, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Di, 30.06.20 19:15, Gerd Hoffmann (kra...@redhat.com) wrote: Hi, So I can't say I'm thrilled about a future that depends on EFI for virt, but I'm resigned to the fact this is the direction the world is taking. So we're not likely to have any

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 6/30/20 8:29 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to

Re: [fedora-java] Re: java stack is dead, long live the javastack (was "500 packages FTBFS in rawhide with java-11-openjdk as system JDK")

2020-07-01 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
Fabio, does it mean that the Java SIG agrees with progressing with the Change to Java 11 as a default? On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:02 PM Fabio Valentini wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:52 AM Jiri Vanek wrote: > > > > On 6/29/20 1:59 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 01.07.2020 11:28, Alexey A. wrote: > Stop using the L-word, please: BIOS is not "legacy", it's just > alternative way (one of many). Using BIOS boot on UEFI-compatible systems is a legacy, because it works under the CSM compatibly layer. More information about CSM you can find here:

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 11:28:10AM +0100, Steven Whitehouse wrote: > Hi, > > On 01/07/2020 07:54, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 03:15:23PM -0400, Solomon Peachy wrote: > >>So yes, I think an explicit "let's all test btrfs (as anaconda > >>configures it) before we

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:55 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > I might support this, but Nano is a terrible editor. It has key > bindings that are quite unlike any other program and conflict with > normal bindings that newbies might be used to (eg. ^X is cut, not exit). > > If we're going to

Re: Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Peter Rajnoha
On 6/30/20 9:35 PM, Igor Raits wrote: > On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 15:18 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SID > >> == Summary == >> Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon (SID) that aims to provide a >> central event-driven engine to write modules for identifying

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:43:57 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > In the end we have limited resources and you are running into those > limits. We can either have fewer builders with more disk space and a > long queue of builds or we can have more builders with smaller disk > space. Good to know

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Ben Cotton
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:30 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > I strongly believe that this kernel problem can only be solved within the > kernel, by a synchronous (hence race-free) hook on all allocations. > I don't disagree, but if that's not available, this is the best we have. And it's tunable (or

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 01/07/20 09:54 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I might support this, but Nano is a terrible editor. It has key bindings that are quite unlike any other program and conflict with normal bindings that newbies might be used to (eg. ^X is cut, not exit). If we're going to newbies how about a

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 02:00:09PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:43:57 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > In the end we have limited resources and you are running into those > > limits. We can either have fewer builders with more disk space and a > > long queue of

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 07:19, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Yeah. I have no doubt that the decision was made carefully back then. > That said, time has passed, and btrfs has evolved and our use cases > have evolved too, so a fresh look is good. > > We have

Re: Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Peter Rajnoha
On 7/1/20 9:50 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 03:18:57PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: >> == Benefit to Fedora == >> The main benefit is all about centralizing the solution to solve >> issues that storage subsystem maintainers have been hitting with udev, >> that is:

[SONAME BUMP] aom version 2.0.0

2020-07-01 Thread Robert-André Mauchin
Hi, I intend to bump the SONAME of libaom from 0 to 2 next week. Affected packages are the following: PACKAGE DEPENDENT DEPENDENCIES libaom-1.0.0-9.20190810git9666276.fc32.x86_64

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Josef Bacik
On 7/1/20 7:49 AM, Steven Whitehouse wrote: Hi, On 01/07/2020 12:09, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 11:28:10AM +0100, Steven Whitehouse wrote: Hi, On 01/07/2020 07:54, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 03:15:23PM -0400, Solomon Peachy

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le mercredi 01 juillet 2020 à 11:09 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek a écrit : > > Actually that part has been answered pretty comprehensively. The > split between / and /home is hurting users Actually this split is a godsend because you can convince anaconda to leave your home alone when

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 03:38:26PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 15:14:09 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > At the moment we have about 10% of the hardware > > we shipped back in operation and there are at least 2 to 3 weeks to > > get the rest up. Getting up larger

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:49 pm, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/D4FVY3LLMNGUKNUOEIDXNOOAD577W5XN/ None of the comments in that thread support the claim that we cannot ship configuration files generated by

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:35 am, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: 'sudo dnf install micro' ;) It seems to work nicely. I especially like the standard keyboard shortcuts. I can't figure out how to Undo in nano, but in micro I just Ctrl+Z. I have not much opinion on whether we should use

Re: Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Vojtěch Trefný
On 2020-07-01 14:03, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:00 AM Peter Rajnoha wrote: >> >> On 6/30/20 9:35 PM, Igor Raits wrote: >>> On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 15:18 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SID >>> == Summary == Introduce Storage

Re: Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Vojtěch Trefný
On 2020-07-01 15:43, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:40 AM Peter Rajnoha wrote: >> >> On 7/1/20 2:03 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:00 AM Peter Rajnoha wrote: On 6/30/20 9:35 PM, Igor Raits wrote: > On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 15:18 -0400, Ben Cotton

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mi, 01.07.20 00:38, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote: > In addition, as far as I know, systemd-boot is not compatible with the > "Secure Boot" shim. You are wrong. It is. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ devel mailing list --

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Alek Paunov
On 2020-06-30 14:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Share your thoughts and comments on how such move might affect you so feedback can be collected for the future on why such a change might be bad, how it might affect the distribution and scope of such change can be determined for potential

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > > Le mercredi 01 juillet 2020 à 11:09 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > a écrit : > > > > Actually that part has been answered pretty comprehensively. The > > split between / and /home is hurting users > > Actually this split

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 2020-06-30 15:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Share your thoughts and comments on how such move might affect you so feedback can be collected for the future on why such a change might be bad, how it might affect the distribution and scope of such change can be determined for potential

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Javier Martinez Canillas
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:36 PM Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Mi, 01.07.20 13:14, Javier Martinez Canillas (jav...@dowhile0.org) wrote: > > > I'm not sure if this is completely fair, it's true that GRUB's blscfg > > module diverged from the spec by adding support for variables but it > > can

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:25 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FlexiBLAS_as_BLAS/LAPACK_manager > > == Summary == > BLAS/LAPACK packages will be compiled against the FlexiBLAS wrapper > library, which will set OpenBLAS as system-wide default backend, and > at the same

Re: [fedora-java] Re: java stack is dead, long live the javastack (was "500 packages FTBFS in rawhide with java-11-openjdk as system JDK")

2020-07-01 Thread Jiri Vanek
On 7/1/20 4:09 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:00 PM Jiri Vanek wrote: >> >> On 7/1/20 3:21 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 3:09 PM Aleksandar Kurtakov >>> wrote: Fabio, does it mean that the Java SIG agrees with progressing with the

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 01.07.2020 o 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones pisze: > If you mean migration of existing guests, then you need to repartition > them and reinstall the bootloader. I doubt anyone has a practical > idea of how to do that either manually or automatically. Add second drive with 32-64MB size. Create

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mi, 01.07.20 13:14, Javier Martinez Canillas (jav...@dowhile0.org) wrote: > I'm not sure if this is completely fair, it's true that GRUB's blscfg > module diverged from the spec by adding support for variables but it > can also parse BLS snippets that follow the spec verbatim. You missed the

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 30.06.2020 22:38, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > Any references would be very interesting, thanks. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/D4FVY3LLMNGUKNUOEIDXNOOAD577W5XN/ -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 01. 07. 20 16:24, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FlexiBLAS_as_BLAS/LAPACK_manager == Summary == BLAS/LAPACK packages will be compiled against the FlexiBLAS wrapper library, which will set OpenBLAS as system-wide default backend, and at the same time will provide a

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:28 am, Michael Catanzaro wrote: I have not much opinion on whether we should use this vs. nano. Actually, playing with it for an extra three minutes... it's *really* nice. I know micro is not nearly as standard or popular as nano, but... this is worth serious

Re: python-sphinx_rtd_theme update: comments requested

2020-07-01 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 01. 07. 20 17:37, Jerry James wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:21 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: I've worked on this in https://src.fedoraproject.org/fork/churchyard/rpms/python-sphinx_rtd_theme/commits/generator However, there is "tiny little problem" that makes it not work:

Re: [fedora-java] Re: java stack is dead, long live the javastack (was "500 packages FTBFS in rawhide with java-11-openjdk as system JDK")

2020-07-01 Thread Alex Scheel
- Original Message - > From: "Fabio Valentini" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:21:31 AM > Subject: Re: [fedora-java] Re: java stack is dead, long live the javastack > (was "500 packages FTBFS in rawhide with > java-11-openjdk as

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mi, 01.07.20 14:45, Hans de Goede (hdego...@redhat.com) wrote: > I'm not in the bootloader-team, but I do work very closely with them, > so I have only one question: who is going to pick up the extra > maintenance load this is going to cause ? There are distros already using it. And so far we

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 09:38, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 15:14:09 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > At the moment we have about 10% of the hardware > > we shipped back in operation and there are at least 2 to 3 weeks to > > get the rest up. Getting up larger builders is

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on fresh new machines, This won't be the case for much longer; Intel will finally drop CSM ("BIOS") support this year. Even

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 01. 07. 20 18:33, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:28 am, Michael Catanzaro wrote: I have not much opinion on whether we should use this vs. nano. Actually, playing with it for an extra three minutes... it's *really* nice. I know micro is not nearly as standard or

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, > Also note that this entails a lot more work then just maintaining sd-boot, > anaconda will need to be adjusted, kernel-install scripts will need to > be adjusted, etc. And what about upgrades, if upgrades stick with using grub2 > then now we have 3 bootloader configs, including things

Re: [fedora-java] Re: java stack is dead, long live the javastack (was "500 packages FTBFS in rawhide with java-11-openjdk as system JDK")

2020-07-01 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 3:09 PM Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > Fabio, does it mean that the Java SIG agrees with progressing with the Change > to Java 11 as a default? Speaking for myself, yes. I can't speak for all other SIG members (we haven't formally voted on this or something like that),

Re: List of long term FTBFS packages to be retired in August

2020-07-01 Thread Vít Ondruch
Hi Alexandre, Thank you for your offer. I just wonder, are you sponsored into packager group? Vít Dne 29. 06. 20 v 17:57 alexandrebfar...@gmail.com napsal(a): > I'm interested in helping with those NodeJS packages.  > > --  > Alexandre de Farias / etinin > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 12:50 Vít

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 15:14:09 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > At the moment we have about 10% of the hardware > we shipped back in operation and there are at least 2 to 3 weeks to > get the rest up. Getting up larger builders is going to have to wait. Sure there is no hurry with larger

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:54 PM Gerald B. Cox wrote: > And? I don't know about you, when dealing with file systems a chart with OK, > Mostly OK and Unstable doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies. Especially when > OK is defined as: "should be safe to use, no known major defficiencies" . >

Re: [fedora-java] Questions on an update to javamail in ursine

2020-07-01 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:06 PM Jie Kang wrote: > > Hi all, > > javamail ursine is using version 1.5.2 while there are some module > streams at 1.6.x > > The upstream project also moved to the eclipse foundation and these > 1.6.x releases have different exports for OSGi, making an update to >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le mercredi 01 juillet 2020 à 10:27 -0400, Neal Gompa a écrit : > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel > wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 01 juillet 2020 à 11:09 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski- > > Szmek > > a écrit : > > > > > > Actually that part has been answered pretty

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
> > One problem with sd-boot is that the kernels must stay on the ESP, which > > can be a problem for dual-boot installs (where Fedora has to run with > > the existing ESP and can't just create one which is big enouth). > > Nah, that's not true. Hasn't been for quite a while. > > sd-boot checks

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread nickysn
On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 16:30 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mi, 01.07.20 14:45, Hans de Goede (hdego...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > I'm not in the bootloader-team, but I do work very closely with > > them, > > so I have only one question: who is going to pick up the extra > > maintenance load

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 01. 07. 20 18:28, Michael Catanzaro wrote: I notice that when I copy text it instructs me to "install xclip for external clipboard." That's not OK since xclip won't do anything in Wayland. Could be avoided by checking $DISPLAY before printing the message. See

Re: Mass spec change: Replace Python version globs with macros to support 3.10

2020-07-01 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 2:50 PM Tomas Hrnciar wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > with the upcoming Python 3.10 update we need to update Python 3 version globs > in Fedora specfiles. The reason is simple, Python version will be one > character longer so the currently omnipresent ?.? glob won't work

Re: Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:40 AM Peter Rajnoha wrote: > > On 7/1/20 2:03 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:00 AM Peter Rajnoha wrote: > >> > >> On 6/30/20 9:35 PM, Igor Raits wrote: > >>> On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 15:18 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: >

Re: [fedora-java] Re: java stack is dead, long live the javastack (was "500 packages FTBFS in rawhide with java-11-openjdk as system JDK")

2020-07-01 Thread Jiri Vanek
On 7/1/20 3:21 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 3:09 PM Aleksandar Kurtakov > wrote: >> >> Fabio, does it mean that the Java SIG agrees with progressing with the >> Change to Java 11 as a default? > > Speaking for myself, yes. > > I can't speak for all other SIG members (we

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Justin Forbes
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:54 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:03 PM Michael Catanzaro > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:16 pm, Stephen John Smoogen > > wrote: > > > The issue isn't that you haven't done your work. It is that it looks > > > like you were set

Re: [fedora-java] Re: java stack is dead, long live the javastack (was "500 packages FTBFS in rawhide with java-11-openjdk as system JDK")

2020-07-01 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:00 PM Jiri Vanek wrote: > > On 7/1/20 3:21 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 3:09 PM Aleksandar Kurtakov > > wrote: > >> > >> Fabio, does it mean that the Java SIG agrees with progressing with the > >> Change to Java 11 as a default? > > > >

FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FlexiBLAS_as_BLAS/LAPACK_manager == Summary == BLAS/LAPACK packages will be compiled against the FlexiBLAS wrapper library, which will set OpenBLAS as system-wide default backend, and at the same time will provide a proper switching mechanism that currently

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on > fresh new machines, This won't be the case for much longer; Intel will finally drop CSM ("BIOS") support this year. Even putting that aside, for the past

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM Iñaki Ucar wrote: > BTW, I would also like to discuss here, as part of this proposal, > which backend should be the system-wide default. I believe we all > would agree that OpenBLAS nowadays is the best choice. But then, the > serial or the openmp version? First,

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:25 pm, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: Actually this split is a godsend because you can convince anaconda to leave your home alone when reinstalling, while someone always seems too invent a new Fedora change that justifies the reformatting of /. Good luck dealing

Re: [fedora-java] Re: java stack is dead, long live the javastack (was "500 packages FTBFS in rawhide with java-11-openjdk as system JDK")

2020-07-01 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:50 PM Alex Scheel wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Fabio Valentini" > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" < > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:21:31 AM > > Subject: Re: [fedora-java] Re: java stack is dead,

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Re: RPM-level auto release and changelog bumping - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le mercredi 01 juillet 2020 à 12:27 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski a écrit : Hi, > That's not detailed at all. You should provide at least one example > here (or a direct link to one somewhere else on the wiki). Thank you for your attention and kind review. yes the wiki page was

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 04:25:31PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > Le mercredi 01 juillet 2020 à 11:09 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > a écrit : > > > > Actually that part has been answered pretty comprehensively. The > > split between / and /home is hurting users > > Actually

Re: python-sphinx_rtd_theme update: comments requested

2020-07-01 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:21 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > I've worked on this in > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/fork/churchyard/rpms/python-sphinx_rtd_theme/commits/generator > > However, there is "tiny little problem" that makes it not work: > >

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Michael Catanzaro
So the last two times thermald was proposed (first as a F32 change proposal, then more recently to the Workstation WG) it was rejected on the grounds that it was not useful without dptfxtract installed. Now it's clear that everybody was mistaken about that, so seems it makes sense to

Re: Cleaning up comps packages in rawhide

2020-07-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 05:46:11PM -, Ian McInerney wrote: > I have been going through the packages listed in the comps file for rawhide > (given in here https://pagure.io/fedora-comps) to clean it up and remove any > packages that are currently not in any Fedora rawhide repos, and to update

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 17:53, Jerry James wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:25 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > Mechanisms such as update-alternatives and modules have been discussed > > in the past, but were considered improper (the former) or faced > > technical issues (the former). > > I think

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:42 pm, Miro Hrončok wrote: I love micro. The problematic part is it's rather big. nano: 670 k micro: 4.7 M (sizes from repoquery --info) rpm -qi micro says 16007158 bytes installed... that's 15.3 MiB, compared to nano at 2.5 MiB, and vim-minimal at 1.3 MiB. I've

Re: Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Peter Rajnoha
On 7/1/20 2:03 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:00 AM Peter Rajnoha wrote: >> >> On 6/30/20 9:35 PM, Igor Raits wrote: >>> On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 15:18 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SID >>> == Summary == Introduce Storage

Introducing modulemd-tools

2020-07-01 Thread Jakub Kadlcik
Hello, I would like to let you know, that we started a project called modulemd-tools. It is a collection of small tools for parsing and generating modulemd YAML files. At this moment, it provides two scripts - one for generating a modulemd YAML file based on an existing YUM repository, the other

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:35 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: > Igor Raits writes: > > > I think this is the only path forward that can actually work. Without > tooling, the only real way to "migrate" from legacy to UEFI is to > reinstall the operating system - much love to anaconda, but that's not >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 18:54, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 01. 07. 20 18:33, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:28 am, Michael Catanzaro > > wrote: > >> I have not much opinion on whether we should use this vs. nano. > > > > Actually, playing with it for an extra three

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Alexey A.
>If both RAM and swap go below 10% free, earlyoom issues SIGTERM to the process with the largest oom_score. If both RAM and swap go below 5% free, earlyoom issues SIGKILL Fedora's earlyoom package is provided with the changed default settings: ``` EARLYOOM_ARGS="-r 0 -m 4 -M 409600 --prefer

[Bug 1852856] perl-Template-Toolkit depends on mod_perl, which eventually installs httpd

2020-07-01 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1852856 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |MODIFIED --- Comment #1 from

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 13:14, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 18:54, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > On 01. 07. 20 18:33, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:28 am, Michael Catanzaro > > > wrote: > > >> I have not much opinion on whether we should use this vs. nano.

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mi, 01.07.20 18:31, Gerd Hoffmann (kra...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > One problem with sd-boot is that the kernels must stay on the ESP, which > > > can be a problem for dual-boot installs (where Fedora has to run with > > > the existing ESP and can't just create one which is big enouth). > > > >

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Susi Lehtola
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 10:54:16 -0600 Jerry James wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM Iñaki Ucar > wrote: > > BTW, I would also like to discuss here, as part of this proposal, > > which backend should be the system-wide default. I believe we all > > would agree that OpenBLAS nowadays is the

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 6/30/20 3:34 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only supported boot which has been available on any common

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/1/20 11:53 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:25 pm, Nicolas Mailhot via devel > wrote: >> Actually this split is a godsend because you can convince anaconda to >> leave your home alone when reinstalling, while someone always seems too >> invent a new Fedora change that

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 17:46:23 +0200, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * Is this only on x86_64 that you need this? Or all arches? Sure we should have this on all arches but I haven't tested non-x86_64 yet. There possibly may be also some memory problems even on x86_64 (it builds on my machine w/64GB but Koji

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 21:00, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 20:24, Susi Lehtola > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 19:28:53 +0200 > > Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > > I'm no expert, but the FAQ says: > > > > > > "You have a GPLed program that I'd like to link with my code to build > > > a

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