Re: Reserve resources for active users (Workstation) - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Alexey A.
>oomd (or rather systemd-oomd) and will make heavy use of cgroups to work well Other side of this is high CPU usage: https://github.com/facebookincubator/oomd/issues/79 сб, 11 июл. 2020 г. в 17:34, Benjamin Berg : > On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 08:43 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-07-10 at

Re: Reserve resources for active users (Workstation) - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 07:18 +0900, Alexey A. wrote: > >oomd (or rather systemd-oomd) and will make heavy use of cgroups to > work well > > Other side of this is high CPU usage: > https://github.com/facebookincubator/oomd/issues/79 That is an implementation problem of oomd. And irrelevant in the

Orphaning my nodejs packages

2020-07-11 Thread Parag Nemade
Hi all, As you know many nodejs packages have been removed recently but that has created dependency issues. I maintain a few nodejs packages in Fedora but those I added a few years back to learn nodejs packaging. As more and more packages per release are getting retired it has become difficult

Re: Reserve resources for active users (Workstation) - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 2020-07-10 at 15:55 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Reserve_resources_for_active_user_WS > > == Summary == > This proposal adds cgroup based resource protections for the active > graphical session. This is

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/10/20 10:55 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: I demonstrated how it adds ~1ms to requests. That's one of the major downsides to using FastCGI, and it's unavoidable. You didn't demonstrate anything, you made an unsubstantiated claim. Did you even look at the link that was given? Regardless

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-11 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 5:55 AM Antti wrote: > For example btrfs has for a long-time had this issue where after several > months and being maybe more than 75% of disk space being in use, that when > run on SSDs, system can randomly stops reading from the file system, starts > thinking and

gdb says "Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/...` in core file

2020-07-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Hi, I'm not sure if this is a bug and if it is, where it is... $ coredumpctl gdb ... Using host libthread_db library "/lib64/libthread_db.so.1". Core was generated by `/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-oomd'. Program terminated with signal SIGABRT, Aborted. warning: Unexpected size of section

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-11 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:14 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 26.06.2020 16:42, Ben Cotton wrote: > > ** transparent compression: significantly reduces write amplification, > > improves lifespan of storage hardware > > What can you say about this? https://arxiv.org/pdf/1707.08514.pdf

Re: Reserve resources for active users (Workstation) - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 08:43 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > On Fri, 2020-07-10 at 15:55 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Reserve_resources_for_active_user_WS > > > > == Summary == > > This proposal adds cgroup based resource protections for the active > > graphical

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 11, 2020 1:34:12 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 7/11/20 1:09 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > It's demonstrably false that php-fpm "saves hundreds" of milliseconds, > > unless you're counting up every single saved ms over the course of a > > server's runtime. It's not really

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-11 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 6:17 AM Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 01:26:31PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > I guess that shows how unfamiliar I am with UEFI boot Fedora. You would > > encrypt /boot to ensure that your boot images have not been tampered with, > > Well, if that

Re: X.org Utility Deaggregation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 03:55:20PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/XorgUtilityDeaggregation > > == Summary == > > The collection packages > `xorg-x11-{apps,font-utils,server-utils,utils,xkb-utils}` will be > retired, and the individual utilities within them will

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-11 Thread Artem Tim
BTRFS WA is ~8 times higher than ext4. Average profit from compression about 50% max. Not that hard arithmetic. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-11 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 10:03:47AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > The marginal cost of a button is completely marginal, on devices that > already include other buttons, on a assembly line that already builds a > ton of such things. Marginal costs are still costs. They add up _very_

Re: Reserve resources for active users (Workstation) - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 10:33 +0200, Benjamin Berg wrote: > On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 08:43 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-07-10 at 15:55 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > > >

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le vendredi 10 juillet 2020 à 08:55 -0400, Przemek Klosowski a écrit : > > The marginal cost of a digital key has got to be smaller than the > marginal cost of the button The marginal cost of a button is completely marginal, on devices that already include other buttons, on a assembly line that

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/11/20 1:09 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: It's demonstrably false that php-fpm "saves hundreds" of milliseconds, unless you're counting up every single saved ms over the course of a server's runtime. It's not really faster than mod_php, except in cases where opcache is used, and you can

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-11 Thread Dominique Martinet
Artem Tim wrote on Sat, Jul 11, 2020: > BTRFS WA is ~8 times higher than ext4. Average profit from compression > about 50% max. Not that hard arithmetic. It's not that simple. The pattern used in that paper is far from a standard workload (random writes within a file with cow is just about as bad

Re: [Rawhide] Blender failed to build

2020-07-11 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
Almost and another issue occurred when doing a scratch build: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=46986219 It seems related to cycles On 2020-07-10 9:06 a.m., Miro Hrončok wrote: On 10. 07. 20 17:22, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Right, upstream provided a patch which landed on

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 11:45:06 PM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 7/10/20 10:55 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > I demonstrated how it adds ~1ms to requests. That's one of the major > > downsides to using FastCGI, and it's unavoidable. > > > You didn't demonstrate anything, you made an

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-11 Thread Antti
> That said, as one of the change owners, I *want* to know about your > issues. Yes, I understand. It's just that I believe that the burden of proof is on my shoulders to prove that I have this and that issue before making bug reports. The problem I often face with btrfs is that it is highly

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-11 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:05:07 +0200, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Perhaps a compromise could be to generate them for rawhide builds, but > not stable releases and if someone needs to debug things ask them to use > the rawhide one/debuginfo? That is not useful, system debuginfos are there to catch bugs

Re: Reserve resources for active users (Workstation) - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 2:28 pm, Igor Raits wrote: My question was more targeted whether we are not going to ship anymore earlyoom by default with this change or will they be both shipped at thie moment until something better is ready? We'll continue to ship earlyoom for the foreseeable

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-11 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 03:35:05AM +1000, Philip Rhoades wrote: > > Marginal costs are still costs. They add up _very_ quickly. > > > > If they can save $0.01 by eliminating a physical button, over a > > million-unit production run that's a cool $1 million of potantial > > profit. > Really?

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 11:32 AM Sergio Belkin wrote: >> >> My suggestion is to stop the 'complaining for the sake of complaining' >> phase of the feature. And move to the "when I do X Y Z, this other app >> is killed off - how to tweak this?" And then does the tweak represent >> covering an edge

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 11/07/20 01:44 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: I said that php-fpm was fast than mod_php, however it's just not a huge When? I see the opposite claim, repeatedly: On 10/07/20 18:38 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: They've been running just fine for years. I don't see any reason to lose

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 14:31 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote: > My only question is if measuring memory pressure is a better indication. > If nohang-desktop uses PSI, isn't it a more proper solution? The basic problem is that PSI can only be reactive. You need to measure it over a period of time and

Re: Need assistance to build openshadinglanguage

2020-07-11 Thread Robert-André Mauchin
On Saturday, 11 July 2020 20:04:17 CEST you wrote: > On Saturday, 11 July 2020 18:46:18 CEST Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Hello team, > > > > I attempt to build openshadinglanguage. For some reasons, cmake keeps on > > claiming c++14 is required for LLVM10 despite the inclusion of > > parameter.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-11 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:11 AM Artem Tim wrote: > > BTRFS WA is ~8 times higher than ext4. Average profit from compression about > 50% max. Not that hard arithmetic. The paper is with respect to metadata write amplification. This has no effect on data writes. Compression applies to data

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-11 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:45 PM Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 07:14:09PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 26.06.2020 16:42, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > ** transparent compression: significantly reduces write amplification, > > > improves lifespan of storage hardware > >

if we want to advocate btrfs

2020-07-11 Thread Neal Becker
I think if we really want to advocate for btrfs, we also should provide the tools to take full advantage of it. I've been using btrfs since it was offered as an option on Fedora. On Ubuntu, there is a tool "snapper" to help manage snapshots. Unfortunately I didn't manage to get this setup on

Need assistance to build openshadinglanguage

2020-07-11 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
Hello team, I attempt to build openshadinglanguage. For some reasons, cmake keeps on claiming c++14 is required for LLVM10 despite the inclusion of parameter. Can someone investigate it? Build result:

Self Introduction: Joan Moreau

2020-07-11 Thread Joan Moreau via devel
Dear all, I am coding as a hobby, besides a day job totally different. Recently, I developed the Full Text Search based on Xapian for Dovecot * https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/fts/ * https://github.com/grosjo/fts-xapian/ I am now giving a second life to Tomboy and Tombroid

Re: if we want to advocate btrfs

2020-07-11 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 12:05 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > I think if we really want to advocate for btrfs, we also should > provide the > tools to take full advantage of it. I've been using btrfs since it > was > offered as an option on Fedora. On Ubuntu, there is a tool "snapper" > to > help

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Sergio Belkin
> > My suggestion is to stop the 'complaining for the sake of complaining' > phase of the feature. And move to the "when I do X Y Z, this other app > is killed off - how to tweak this?" And then does the tweak represent > covering an edge case? Or is it good enough to be the new default? > >

Re: Reserve resources for active users (Workstation) - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 07:33 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 2:28 pm, Igor Raits > wrote: > > My question was more targeted whether we are not going to ship anymore > > earlyoom by default with this change or will they be both shipped at > > thie moment until something

Re: Need assistance to build openshadinglanguage

2020-07-11 Thread Robert-André Mauchin
On Saturday, 11 July 2020 18:46:18 CEST Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Hello team, > > I attempt to build openshadinglanguage. For some reasons, cmake keeps on > claiming c++14 is required for LLVM10 despite the inclusion of > parameter. Can someone investigate it? > > Build result: > >

Re: gdb says "Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/...` in core file

2020-07-11 Thread J. Scheurich
I'm not sure if this is a bug and if it is, where it is... $ coredumpctl gdb ... Using host libthread_db library "/lib64/libthread_db.so.1". Core was generated by `/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-oomd'. Program terminated with signal SIGABRT, Aborted. warning: Unexpected size of section

Re: Self Introduction: Joan Moreau

2020-07-11 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 18:04 +0100, Joan Moreau via devel wrote: > > I am now learning how to maintain packages, and especially on Tomboy > - AUR (ArchLInux) version : > https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/tomboy-reborn-bin > - RPM (Fedora) : > >

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-11 Thread Philip Rhoades
Solomon, On 2020-07-11 21:41, Solomon Peachy wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 10:03:47AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: The marginal cost of a button is completely marginal, on devices that already include other buttons, on a assembly line that already builds a ton of such things.

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Sergio Belkin
El sáb., 11 jul. 2020 a las 16:39, Benjamin Berg () escribió: > On Sat, 2020-07-11 at 14:31 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote: > > My only question is if measuring memory pressure is a better indication. > > If nohang-desktop uses PSI, isn't it a more proper solution? > > The basic problem is that PSI

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 11, 2020 11:47:30 AM MST Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 11/07/20 01:44 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > >I said that php-fpm was fast than mod_php, however it's just not a huge > > > When? > > I see the opposite claim, repeatedly: > > On 10/07/20 18:38 -0700, John M. Harris

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 11, 2020 11:43:29 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > It's known from the outset that earlyoom is temporary. And as the > resource control picture more fully develops on the desktop, both > GNOME and KDE, that we have an eye on a PSI based approach. It's a > long arc with multiple

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:15 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Saturday, July 11, 2020 11:43:29 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > It's known from the outset that earlyoom is temporary. And as the > > resource control picture more fully develops on the desktop, both > > GNOME and KDE, that we have

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 5:15 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Saturday, July 11, 2020 11:43:29 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > It's known from the outset that earlyoom is temporary. And as the > > resource control picture more fully develops on the desktop, both > > GNOME and KDE, that we have

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 9:11 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > None of this is relevant ... (to) ... a package which is ... > widely used, however. You keep making that assertion. Please provide the audited numbers from a reputable source(*). (*) Preferably for sites that actually are more than

[Bug 1850773] Add perl-Net-Domain-TLD to EPEL8 / co-maintainter request

2020-07-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1850773 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA |CLOSED Fixed In Version|

[Bug 1850793] Add perl-Time-Duration-Parse to EPEL8 / co-maintainer request

2020-07-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1850793 Bug 1850793 depends on bug 1850910, which changed state. Bug 1850910 Summary: Add perl-Exporter-Lite to EPEL8 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1850910 What|Removed |Added

[Bug 1850910] Add perl-Exporter-Lite to EPEL8

2020-07-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1850910 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA |CLOSED Fixed In Version|

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 8 updates-testing report

2020-07-11 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 8 Security updates need testing: Age URL 12 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-da42cd0f70 ngircd-26-3.el8 12 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-6e0d8564ec chromium-83.0.4103.116-3.el8 10

[389-devel] 389 DS nightly 2020-07-12 - 95% PASS

2020-07-11 Thread vashirov
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/389ds/ci/nightly/2020/07/12/report-389-ds-base-1.4.4.4-20200711git318a3ce.fc32.x86_64.html ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

[Bug 1852414] perl-Email-MIME-ContentType 1.024.1 appears to break bugzilla

2020-07-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1852414 --- Comment #2 from Paul Howarth --- Looks like Bug #1855962, which would be a bugzilla bug rather than one in perl-Email-MIME-ContentType. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

[Bug 1855962] New: bugzilla can't send non-html email

2020-07-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1855962 Bug ID: 1855962 Summary: bugzilla can't send non-html email Product: Fedora Version: 32 Status: NEW Component: bugzilla Assignee: ita...@ispbrasil.com.br

[Bug 1855963] New: bug in perl prevents bugzilla checksetup.pl script from working

2020-07-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1855963 Bug ID: 1855963 Summary: bug in perl prevents bugzilla checksetup.pl script from working Product: Fedora Version: 31 Status: NEW Component: perl

[Bug 1852437] perl-Perl-Critic-1.138-4.fc33 FTBFS with Perl 5.32: subroutine name is a homonym for builtin function isa at line 140

2020-07-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1852437 Paul Howarth changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED Fixed In Version|