Re: howto not strip .so on install

2011-07-27 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 11:48 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: Trying to help packaging dmtcp. There are 2 shared libs installed. They are stripped by the rpm install, and then fail when attempting to dlopen them (or 1 of them). 1. Is that normal behaviour? No, the strip performed by the rpm

Re: Rawhide should take turns with F-16 Branched

2011-08-01 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/1/11 10:55 AM, John Reiser wrote: On 07/31/2011 01:37 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:22 PM, John Reiserjrei...@bitwagon.com wrote: The nightly build mash for Fedora-16 Branched should go first, before Rawhide, on a few days per week ... You should open a ticket with

Re: Intel HD 3000 video blank screen during install of F15

2011-08-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/3/11 8:58 AM, Ric Wheeler wrote: I have a shiny new laptop (HP Pavilion dm4) with the Sandy Bridge video (HD 3000). Installing F15 or the nightly F16 build causes a blank screen during the install. Installing/running basic video works but is annoying. I have spent a few days poking

Re: rawhide report: 20110803 changes

2011-08-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/3/11 9:48 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: We would love to build all PCI drivers for all platforms if the drivers compiled for all secondary arches :-) See bug 713609 as an example. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713609 I would debug this problem on an arm builder, if I could

Meeting minutes/summary for 2011-08-08 fesco meeting

2011-08-08 Thread Adam Jackson
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-08-07) === Meeting started by ajax at 17:01:26 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-08-08/fesco.2011-08-08-17.01.log.html . Meeting summary

New hardened build support (coming) in F16

2011-08-08 Thread Adam Jackson
tl;dr version: If you have a security-sensitive package, and wish to enable some gcc-level hardening features with a modest performance impact, you will soon be able to enable them (nearly) automagically by rebuilding with this line in your spec file: %define _hardened_build 1 Now for the

Re: New hardened build support (coming) in F16

2011-08-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/8/11 3:52 PM, Till Maas wrote: On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 12:23:43PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: %define _hardened_build 1 just wondering: Is %define really correct here or does it need to be %global? I've been using %define out of habit, but either one works. - ajax -- devel mailing

Re: New hardened build support (coming) in F16

2011-08-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 08:47 -0400, Steve Grubb wrote: My main concern is that the macro will be misapplied and overall performance will take a hit. That's a valid concern, but any hardened build would have this problem. I'm happy to talk about how the performance impact can be mitigated, but

Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 10:44 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: See attached. Looks fine to me. The only reason I have to dislike it is the temptation for people to inspect build logs as a proof of what flags a package was built with (since the only sane thing is to store that in the binary itself,

Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 19:19 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:14:27 +0200, Adam Jackson wrote: If you're volunteering to fix and/or paper over all the spurious warnings gcc and glibc introduce with every phase of the moon, then sure. Yes, I do it for my component, GDB

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/12/11 12:28 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 05:25:17PM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Third party code built against -devel and depending only on the SONAME is fine in this situation as it sticks to the published ABI. In-tree code that plays with non-ABI symbols will

Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-15 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/13/11 2:23 PM, Jim Meyering wrote: I'd start with -O2 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 and something like this subset of -Wall: -Warray-bounds -Wchar-subscripts -Wsequence-point gcc now has: -Werror= Make the specified warning into an error. The specifier for a warning

Re: Attention: F16 packages needing rebuilds due to the trailing slash bug of rpm-4.9.1

2011-08-17 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/17/11 5:51 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: Hi all, Due to the brown paperbag bug of rpm-4.9.1 causing unwanted trailing slashes on directories (with various nasty side-effects), the following packages in F16 require rebuilding. The sooner the better to stop spreading the damage but at any

Re: Attention: F16 packages needing rebuilds due to the trailing slash bug of rpm-4.9.1

2011-08-17 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/17/11 10:41 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: for i in $(cat panu-list) ; do j=$(koji -q latest-pkg f16-updates-testing $(rpmname $i) | \ awk '{ print $1 }') rpmdev-vercmp $i $j /dev/null [ $? == 12 ] echo $j done I left out an important step here: rpmname

Re: Attention: F16 packages needing rebuilds due to the trailing slash bug of rpm-4.9.1

2011-08-18 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-08-17 at 15:50 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Eric Sandeen sand...@redhat.com wrote: (aside: when sending lists of rpms like this, it sure would be nice to also include the maintainer name, so I could just search for me and know if I have an

Re: Attention: F16 packages needing rebuilds due to the trailing slash bug of rpm-4.9.1

2011-08-18 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 07:37 -0400, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: On 08/17/2011 05:51 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: Hi all, Due to the brown paperbag bug of rpm-4.9.1 causing unwanted trailing slashes on directories (with various nasty side-effects), the following packages in F16 require

Re: How to debug X lockup (advice from gurus wanted)

2011-09-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On 9/1/11 5:05 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Hmmm, turning off SMP is not realistic, as this laptop has a Core 2 Duo. Sure it is. Boot with maxcpus=1 on the kernel command line. - ajax -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Best practices for patch management on RPM based packages?

2011-09-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 09:16 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: Most of the packages I work with have very few patches so it's not all that difficult, but there are a couple of packages I'm working with that have a lot of patches and one of them has a very active upstream (which is a good thing!) but

Re: yum-builddep (Re: Compiling 32bit on 64bit Fedora)

2011-09-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 10:44 +1000, Tony Breeds wrote: Hi All, On a related but different note. How hard would it be to get yum-builddep to take an --arch arg to that we can esily get the 32-bit builddeps on a 64-bit system? Is 'setarch i686 yum-builddep foo' not enough? - ajax

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On 9/20/11 9:19 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Currently I only see mails of maintainers who plan updating the library, but the rest of it pretty much depends on the maintainers of the depending components rebuilding them quickly enough, and the original maintainer to include them in the F-16

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On 9/20/11 10:13 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/20/2011 04:03 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: I'd like to see a rationale for jamming a soname-changing update into the OS so close to a release. Maintainers on vacation, non-trivial changes? In my case, a major change was introduced into rawhide many

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On 9/20/11 11:43 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 11:33 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: Of course, the accounts system _still_ doesn't have groups, five years later, so provenpackager is the big hammer we have. We could get groups any day now, that'd be just fine. Do you mean

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 20:05 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: %rename cc1_options rh_cc1_options_old

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 20:22 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: Such packages would be broken and would fail to link without hardening or at least have text relocations too. Packagers shouldn't rely on this spec hack to fix up their packaging bugs (or upstream bugs), the hack should be just about

FESCO meeting agenda for 2011 Oct 3

2011-10-03 Thread Adam Jackson
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 17:00UTC (1:00pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 = Followups = #topic #663 Late F16 Feature Java7 .fesco 663

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On 10/3/11 11:43 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:34:45 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of broken displays' EDID. If not blacklisting then whitelisting them, you have the community. This is X.org's task,

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCO meeting (2011-10-03)

2011-10-03 Thread Adam Jackson
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-10-03) === Meeting started by ajax at 17:00:30 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-10-03/fesco.2011-10-03-17.00.log.html . Meeting summary

Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 11:46 -0400, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: Grovelling around in the F15 xorg-server sources and reviewing the Xorg log file on my F15 box, I see, with _modern hardware_ at least, that we do have the monitor geometry available from DDC or EDIC, and obviously it is trivial

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 21:03 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: Hi, On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: I am clearly going to have to explain this one more time, forever. Let's see if I can't write it authoritatively once and simply answer with a URL from here out

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 23:45 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Another bigger source of slowness at boot is currently Plymouth which also requires synchronous settling of devices (tough it's not as bad as LVM in that regard though, but costs too since EDID probing is apparently quite slow, and

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 19:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: 96dpi, however, is almost *never* correct, is it? So just taking a hardcoded number that Microsoft happened to pick a decade ago is hardly improving matters. The X default used to be 72dpi. Maybe it'll be something else in the future,

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 23:11 +0200, Benny Amorsen wrote: Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org writes: We have no technological solution for dealing with the fact that applications may move from one DPI to another at runtime, and may even be displaying on both displays at once. From a

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 11:14 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 13:54 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: EDID does not reliably give you the size of the display. How about EDID as it exists today. Since you're able to so beautifully explain what the pitfalls are, I'd assume you've

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 20:35 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: Except that Fedora _has_ been glibc's development platform for as long as I can remember. The Fedora project might not think so, but it's exactly what upstream glibc does. Indeed, this has been the case since it was still called Red Hat

Re: convert init.d to systemd, how to determine which python is installed

2011-11-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 10:10 -0400, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: HekaFS runs a daemon from init. It's a Bottle (python-based) http server. In order to work on, e.g. RHEL6 in addition to Fedora, the old init script has: ... vercmd=from distutils.sysconfig import get_python_lib; print

Re: Buildroot override problem

2011-11-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 09:14 -0600, Jerry James wrote: I have 2 new packages. The first one, flocq, has been in F16 testing for 5 days. It is needed to build the second one, gappalib-coq. I go to the BuildRoot override page to submit an override for flocq. After typing in flocq, it offers

F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-03 Thread Adam Jackson
As of tomorrow's rawhide [1], gnome-session will no longer treat llvmpipe as an unsupported driver. This means gnome-shell will run even on hardware without a native 3D driver, including virt guests. There are probably bugs! I've done some quick tests on the hardware I have handy and in kvm,

Re: Another glibc change that nearly got pushed into F16

2011-11-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On 10/26/11 12:32 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Richard W.M. Jonesrjo...@redhat.com wrote: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/682 I've made another attempt to reach out the the glibc maintainer directly again this morning to hopefully answer the questions

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 10:11 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: For now let's say yes, but that's more like implementation detail than fundamental property. Clutter'd be perfectly happy atop a GLES renderer, we just don't have that wired up. Ok -- that doesn't sound so terrible. Are there

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 14:55 +, Peter Robinson wrote: Details of rawhide builds for them here[1], the XO-1 build isn't tested but the XO 1.5 one works fine, I'll be testing further and likely the next build I do I'll add all the components to test the llvmpipe feature on them. Don't freak

Re: why do I need colord?

2011-11-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On 11/8/11 12:09 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: 2011/11/8 Richard Hugheshughsi...@gmail.com: 2011/11/7 Michał Piotrowskimkkp...@gmail.com: Out of curiosity I wanted to ask, why do I need colord on my system? Checkout http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/ for details about the project.

Re: why do I need colord?

2011-11-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On 11/8/11 1:08 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: Yea, but a lot of people don't have those either. I have around 5K servers in DCs with not a single printer or scanner in site. The vast majority of the 4 million odd XOs out there while they have a screen don't have a printer or scanner anywhere in

Re: why do I need colord?

2011-11-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On 11/8/11 1:59 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On a server like that, you won't have cups installed, so nothing will be pulling in colord. Whereas if you _do_ have cups installed, because it's a print server, then you might like

Re: New build of fedpkg (fedora-packager) coming to updates-testing / rawhide

2011-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-11-01 at 17:04 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: Please test these updates and let me know if all is good, or if you have other issues. Bodhi karma, email, IRC, smoke signal, just let me know. [ajax@f17 fedora]$ fedpkg co xorg-x11-server Could not execute clone: must be type, not

F17 heads up: X server git snapshots

2011-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
I'm currently rebuilding the X stack for F17, and we'll be tracking git snapshots of the X server and drivers until xserver 1.12 comes out. I don't know yet how many of the drivers will ftbfs now, so --skip-broken might be your friend for a while. Binary and out-of-tree driver users will want to

Re: F17 heads up: X server git snapshots

2011-11-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 16:14 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: I'm currently rebuilding the X stack for F17, and we'll be tracking git snapshots of the X server and drivers until xserver 1.12 comes out. I don't know yet how many of the drivers will ftbfs now, so --skip-broken might be your friend

Re: F17 heads up: X server git snapshots

2011-11-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 06:48 -0500, Mystilleef wrote: Hello, Wow, I read this a little too late. I did an update, using --skip-broken, today and now Xorg is broken. I use the open source ati drivers. The Xorg log indicates a version mismatch between Xorg and the drivers. Is there a way to

Re: A small request

2011-11-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 16:44 +, Paul Johnson wrote: What I'm thinking is that if (say) xorg-x11 is built, the drivers also get built to ensure the likes of the ABI problem I've hit doesn't happen I understand the desire, yes. I was expressing surprise that I hadn't adequately guarded you

Re: gdbm license change

2011-11-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 18:18 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: Hi, GNU database indexing library (gdbm) has changed its license to GPLv3+. A quick scan says this affects: avahi-ui-tools (LGPLv2) gnu-smalltalk (GPLv2+ with exceptions) jpilot-backup (GPLv2+) libguestfs (LGPLv2+) librep (GPLv2+) man-db

Re: gdbm license change

2011-11-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 20:46 +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: On 11/14/2011 07:57 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 18:18 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: Hi, GNU database indexing library (gdbm) has changed its license to GPLv3+. A quick scan says this affects: [...] ypserv (GPLv2

Unannounced ABI bump in rawhide: quvi

2011-11-17 Thread Adam Jackson
quvi 0.4.0 is both an ABI and API break. See the rawhide report for details. Nicoleau, please remember to announce changes that may affect others: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainer_responsibilities#Notify_others_of_changes_that_may_affect_their_packages - ajax signature.asc

Re: Orphaned packages

2011-11-29 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 11:28 +0100, Michal Nowak wrote: I've just orphaned following packages: * xcb-util Taken. Thanks for looking after it! - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: updating xcb-util to 0.3.8 in rawhide?

2011-11-29 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 23:38 +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: Hi there, is it possible to update rawhide's xcb-util to the current version which was released earlier this year? I've taken ownership of xcb-util, and submitted a build for 0.3.8. The following packages depend on it in F17:

Plan for today's FESCo meeting (2011-12-05)

2011-12-05 Thread Adam Jackson
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting today at 18:00UTC (1:00pm EST) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 = Followups = #topic #689 Consider including bash-completion

Re: Upgrading libpng: shall we move to 1.4.x or 1.5.x?

2011-12-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 13:12 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: I did test rebuilds in mock of all rawhide packages that are reported to be dependent on libpng. Out of 964 packages with dependencies on libpng, we have: Packages that rebuilt successfully with 1.5 658 Packages that FTBFS for

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCO meeting (2011-12-05 at 1800 UTC)

2011-12-05 Thread Adam Jackson
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-12-05) === Meeting started by ajax at 18:01:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-12-05/fesco.2011-12-05-18.01.log.html . Meeting summary

Re: cgit instead of gitweb?

2010-07-30 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 12:41 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi Any particular reason we are using gitweb at http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/. Cgit is used in freedesktop.org is much more faster and resource efficient. With my fd.o hat on: Our experience with cgit hasn't been completely

Re: local / scratch builds with fedpkg

2010-08-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 15:06 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: $ i386 fedpkg local --arch=i686 ... + ./configure --build=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --program-prefix= --disable-dependency-tracking --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin

Re: Intel 82Q35 / framebuffer problem

2010-08-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:18 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 03:26:16PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: intel-...@lists.freedesktop.org would be the place to go for this. As a guess, you've got LVDS attached over SDVO and we screwed that up again. I'm happy to do that, but I

Re: Intel 82Q35 / framebuffer problem

2010-08-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 23:12 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 04:41:33PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: This is almost certainly the root of the problem. We don't try to set up SDVO devices if they're not listed in the VBT, but not having a VBT means nothing's gonna be listed

Re: vesa-mode Anaconda install

2010-08-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 08:20 -0700, Bob Arendt wrote: If support for text mode installation is dead (or dying), recent traffic on the test develop list indicates that there's still a strong need to have a fall-back installation mode. Just in case the your particular version of Radeon, NVidia,

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 15:00 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: EDID DDC are mere conveniences unnecessary to the function of the device. I really couldn't care less whether EDID/DDC exists, much less works. What matters (works just fine) from a display, which may have been manufactured before the

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 15:13 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: For the benefit of those few, and there will likely always be some, for whom automatic isn't, some tool is needed upstream in Xorg, possibly SaX2 or SCD at least as a starting point. A wider call for a maintainer of SaX2 or SCD or some

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 12:43 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said: I tried many things, even running for FESCo and getting voted in. As you can see, it didn't achieve anything either. Is it impossible for you to accept the fact that not

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-19 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 1994-08-19 at 16:22 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: I want none of that useless crap, thank you very much! Applications should be written as applications, delivered through our package repository, in a compiled language. Web sites should just be web sites and have as little code as

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-19 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 15:01 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: If we tolerate any non free software then what's the point? Why not just run Windows or OSX? Received: from mail-fx0-f45.google.com (mail-fx0-f45.google.com [209.85.161.45]) by smtp-mm1.fedoraproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-23 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 15:48 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 20:37 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Given the degree to which sysadmins are religious about MTA choice, I'd suspect that a large proportion of people who run an MTA on Fedora are probably already swapping it out

Re: git rebase OK on Fedora git branches?

2010-08-24 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 14:43 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Is it OK to use 'git rebase -i' to compress my mistakes together into a single working Fedora git commit? (Provided I don't push things in between or otherwise try to rewrite public history) Yes. I'm a bit confused by whether

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 08:45 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 23:06 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: BOOTUP - System boots successfully to GUI, when configured. - System boots successfully to text mode, when configured. - System properly handles being passed [1-5],

Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-25 Thread Adam Jackson
I don't have time for it, and I think it's fundamentally misguided. If someone else feels like owning it, go wild. This will probably also require access to the upstream repo, so, do speak up if you take it so we can sort that out. - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 01:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/26/2010 01:22 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: I don't have time for it, and I think it's fundamentally misguided. If someone else feels like owning it, go wild. This will probably also require access to the upstream repo, so, do

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: Static configuration should be something you can do from the dynamic configuration tool. gnome-display-properties should have a set as default button. Uh… 1. Not everyone uses GNOME. Demonstrably true, but I

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 15:59 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: Static configuration should be something you can do from the dynamic configuration

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-31 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 22:13 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: (Is it actually impossible for the vesa driver to work after KMS has kicked in, btw, or is it just something that doesn't work at present?) Right now, it may work or it may not. Typically the vesa bios assumes it's the only thing

Re: font dependency packaging question

2010-09-01 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 20:58 -0700, Carl Byington wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have a package (ghemical) which requires a courier 12 font for use in its xwindow gui. I clearly need some dependency that will drag in xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-1-100dpi or

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 13:42 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 19:30UTC (3:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Apologies, I won't be able to make this, I'll be on a plane headed to France for XDS. -

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:21 +0200, Till Maas wrote: This here sounds strange: | The update rate for any given release should drop off over time, | approaching zero near release end-of-life; since updates are primarily | bugfixes, fewer and fewer should be needed over time. This essentially

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-23 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 08:39 +0200, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:45:30PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:21 +0200, Till Maas wrote: This here sounds strange: | The update rate for any given release should drop off over time, | approaching zero near

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-23 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 12:18 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: On 22.09.2010 22:45, Adam Jackson wrote: Again: if we kept updating everything to the very latest thing all the time, why even bother doing releases. Everyone would just run rawhide. Right? No, because with rawhide you get

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-27 Thread Adam Jackson
On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 15:13 +0200, Till Maas wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:48:34AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: Say you ship with 50 bugs in a package. As you update it through the lifetime of a release, that number should decrease more or less monotonically. The bugs that take

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 11:46 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: I don't blanket label everything with open code as free software. Some stuff bundles things which make it non-free. Code open-ness != free. You can call Firefox open source if you want, but it's not free software. You certainly have the

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 15:21 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 09:51:41AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: I would like to see you create a Fedora Remix spin with this change to illustrate the benefits. That way we can evaluate feasibility and overall value add before we dive

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 01:39 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Er, really? I don't see where I offered any insult or un-excellent-ness. I just meant it as a vaguely humorous way of wondering why Kevin was replying to an email I sent over a week ago in a discussion which I

Heads up: libOSMesa soname bump and etc

2010-10-20 Thread Adam Jackson
We've been carrying a patch to libOSMesa for far too long now to fix the soname at .6, since there was no actual ABI change between .6 and .7. I'm tired of porting the patch so it'll be libOSMesa.so.7 in the next Mesa build in F15. The only affected packages seem to be vtk and paraview, so I'll

Re: unowned dirs

2010-10-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:07 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: BTW, it's annoying that rpm allows only 1 %files -f. http://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.8.0 %files now accepts multiple filelists through -f (ticket #70, RhBug:475359) - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Heads up: libOSMesa soname bump and etc

2010-10-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 12:12 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: Please fix https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=635865 while you're at it, or paraview won't build. Thanks! Done (upstream, even), thanks! - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel

Re: coming libnotify bump

2010-11-02 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 11:33 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 11/01/2010 09:12 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: I am planning to push libnotify 0.7.0 into rawhide by the end of this week; this is going to be a little painful, since there are some api changes that will require minor adjustment of

Re: coming libnotify bump

2010-11-02 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 12:11 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: As far as I can tell, none of the callers to pynotify.init() pass any named arguments, so nothing should notice the lack of attach=. I only searched for explicit calls to pynotify.init, if someone's doing like foo = pynotify

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-03)

2010-11-02 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 14:30 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 18:30UTC (2:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. NOTE: Matthew Garrett, Steven Parrish, Bill Nottingham and Matthias Clasen are all

Re: Compile with -fno-omit-frame-pointer on x86_64?

2010-11-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 19:58 +0100, Jakub Jelinek wrote: On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 02:48:12PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: Basically summarizes the situation, and as far as I know nothing has changed ... with default compilation options, getting callgraph profiling on x86_64 really requires a

Orphaning a few packages

2010-11-08 Thread Adam Jackson
I've got some stuff that I can't really give proper attention to, and I'd rather not even get the bugmail. I just packaged them because I wanted to consume them, not because I wanted to own them. So, free to a good home: bing bootchart powertop wdfs Already orphaned in pkgdb for rawhide, first

Re: request for intel driver update in rawhide

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 08:00 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: RK == Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com writes: RK http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7794 RK guess you pulled that somewhere else. fedpkg co xorg-x11-drv-intel; less xorg-x11-drv-intel/*spec 2.13.901 wasn't

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 04:05 -0500, Jon Masters wrote: +1 for bringing these points up. No offense to krh (because it's nice technology) but you can pull my genuine networked applications from my cold dead hands. I agree that I see this ongoing trend to move toward things that are fluffy and

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 11:44 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: I think we'd like to see the Fedora community figure out its position on the subject— so that it can tell the Wayland developers If you continue on this track, then as things stand, Fedora will not be making it a part of the default

minimal install set tuning [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On 10/9/12 9:18 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: From the list of packages this minimal set still installs, that I'd really like to see gone: chkconfig gamin info systemd-sysv chkconfig seems like it could have the 'alternatives' bit split off. I've not investigated this in detail. gamin is

Small heads-up: Mesa packaging change for F18

2012-10-10 Thread Adam Jackson
Mesa 9.0 no longer includes a copy of libGLU, it is instead available as a separate tarball. To reflect this the packaging has been changed to build mesa-libGLU as its own srpm; likewise for the GL manpages, since both libGL-devel and libGLU-devel want to depend on them. This change has already

Re: minimal install set tuning [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On 10/9/12 12:34 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On 10/9/12 9:18 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: From the list of packages this minimal set still installs, that I'd really like to see gone: chkconfig gamin info systemd-sysv chkconfig seems like it could have the 'alternatives' bit split off. I've

Re: Coordinating libffi upgrade

2012-11-02 Thread Adam Jackson
On 11/2/12 3:18 PM, Anthony Green wrote: Several months ago I attempted to upgrade libffi 3.0.10 to 3.0.11. The change was reverted because the soname change in this version of the library broke the build environment. I would still like to get 3.0.11 in Fedora. I don't anticipate any future

Re: The GNOME 3.6.2 Megaupdate

2012-11-15 Thread Adam Jackson
On 11/15/12 2:11 PM, John Reiser wrote: # yum install bodhi Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit fedora/18/x86_64/metalink | 12 kB 00:00:00 updates/18/x86_64/metalink | 18 kB 00:00:00 No package

Re: Backporting LLVM 3.1 for Fedora 17

2012-11-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2012-11-16 at 16:13 +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: Sending this to the relevant package owners as well as the development list - if there's too much pushback, I'll look at backporting the patches instead, though given that LLVM 3.2 is scheduled for release next month, if we

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