don't know - all's I know is it works, perfectly, for my simple
case, and doesn't delay boot, which is more than any NFS mounting setup
I could manage / be arsed to figure out prior to systemd.
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that? by...encouraging people not to use it as a
dumping ground. What's the best way to achieve that? Try and change the
perception of it as a dumping ground...
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backwards. Why is such practice allowed in Branched, but not in rawhide?
Indeed; and remember we have yum distro-sync which fixes that problem
quite nicely, I don't see why it shouldn't also work for quick reverts
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that would be one easy place to attack the DHCP
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it can be optimized?
(This improvement would also help, of course. It would be *great* if I
could wake up my laptop and have it back on the network and functional
within a second or so).
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, but impacts limited
hardware and has a workaround. May re-evaluate if new information
surfaces (jlaska, 17:48:14)
What is the workaround for this bug? None is given in bugzilla.
Yes, it is:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711489#c2
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If the screen dims somewhat (to, say, 50%) when you unplug, goes back up
to 100% when you plug back in, then dims back to 50% when you unplug
again, that's intended behaviour and not a bug (though if you don't like
it, it's configurable).
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On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 11:58 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Well, in this case yes, but this problem could emerge again in a case
where there's no version bump that 'should have' been carried out. The
fundamental problem here is that git commit IDs are a single hex string,
but RPM version
crucial. I was forgetting about that.
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On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 17:12 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote:
On 08/01/2011 07:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
It seems like there's SOMETHING which has to happen after
wake before NM even attempts to re-establish a connection, and that's
the longest delay, at least for me. Anyone know what
the UMS stuff. AIUI, only radeon can
possibly work UMS now, and only with a restricted range of hardware.
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On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 12:32 -0400, Chris Tyler wrote:
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 18:43 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 10:23 -0400, Chris Tyler wrote:
Hi Adam,
On the week of Aug 7 David Shein and I will be at POSSE-RIT teaching
professors how open source
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 18:01 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/08/03 14:04 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems#KMS-related_issues
I know you're busy, but do feel free to update that page if you get a
minute - I haven't touched
-but-unreleased versions?
Could you please stop getting up on this horse at every opportunity,
even in extremely tangentially-related threads? Everyone's aware that
you think this is what should happen. I don't see that you're getting
anywhere just by bringing it up at every possible opportunity.
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power manager, whose name I can't
quite remember. File it against that.
Thanks Adam for your help, I remember you since Mandriva days :)
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On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 05:10 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
You don't make any attempt to engage with the reason for it: to ensure
that updates get sufficient testing.
I kinda did, with the next paragraph (which you are quick to dismiss as off
topic). :-)
People
On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 22:17 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
4. Updates-testing being enabled by default means that people installing an
Alpha or Beta immediately get fed tons of 0-day (actually negative-day)
updates, because the Alpha or Beta does not include those testing updates
://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/virt-viewer-0.4.0-2.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/tracker-0.10.21-2.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/vinagre-3.1.4-2.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lvm2-2.02.86-5.fc16
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Hey, everyone. Here's a list of updates that need karma as they fix
release-critical Alpha bugs, and we need them in the next compose. If
people could please test and upkarma these, that'd be great. Thanks!
Couple of corrections
* Open discussion
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be mitigated that are out of scope for this particular
email.
awesome stuff, thanks FESCo for following through so thoroughly on this
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just sit in updates-testing forever.
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in one specific rpm build which
appended a trailing / to the file list entry for any directory in the
package, even if the spec didn't specify one, to cause trouble. Details
are in the bug, thanks to Kalev Lember for some of the investigative
work on this one. thanks all!
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On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 15:24 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hey, folks.
So lately Firefox has been crashing a ton for me on F16 (and Evolution's
been disappearing silently too - bet it's the same cause). Today I fired
it up from a console and found out what the error was:
__libc_res_nquery
the details, just wanted to let everyone know it was
coming. thanks!
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and current F16 are a temporary
aberration, so I'm not sure this essay on how evil they are was really
warranted. The anaconda team are very well aware, and working to reduce
the requirements. The thread was a simple question about time frames.
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So a 48x48 PNG is considered a minimum requirement, everything beyond
that is an optional extra; just shipping an SVG would not technically be
within spec.
http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html
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now feel free to embarrass me by dredging
up my first ever usenet post, which had what I seem to recall was a two
page signature. That was also an H2G2 quote. In my defence, I was about
11 at the time.)
And the standard signature separator is two dashes and a space, not
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://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732508 . So I'd skip that if
you use nouveau.
All the necessary builds have now been added to the relevant update in
Bodhi, but it may take a bit of time for them to make the mirrors.
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On Sun, 2011-08-21 at 20:34 -0400, Steve Grubb wrote:
You're not seeing the hundreds - no thousands of emails about systemd? You
are not
Most of which seem to come from you, Reindl, or Steve Clark; a very
active cabal doth not a rebellion make.
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On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 20:09 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
On 08/22/2011 07:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sun, 2011-08-21 at 17:09 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
-Steve
Obviously a lot on this list value boot up speed over security!
You're making a false assumption, which
message, but are you trying to submit
an f15 build to f16? If so, that's not allowed, you have to do an F16
build.
I submitted an F16 build as an update earlier today and it worked fine.
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On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 22:24 -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 03:33:24PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
We'll be doing this in #fedora-kernel next Monday (22nd)
I expect that the wiki page will continue to evolve as we start working
on this, and perhaps this can even
out to be 'the boring underlying stuff you have to do
to deliver stuff in a manner such that it just works for users'.
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a service that
socket activation will happily start it back up again. This is the
'three levels of 'off'' stuff, IIRC.
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with socket activation, daemon not
currently running' is effectively an 'on' state, not an 'off' state. If
you wanted the database to be 'off' you should have the service
disabled, and in that case, the ping test wouldn't cause the daemon to
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of *the service*: it was always 'on'. You
have only changed the state of the daemon that backs the service.
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it'. As far as I was concerned, MySQL was just an arbitrary
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On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 19:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Wed, 24.08.11 10:05, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
FWIW, I do think that there may be use-cases for socket activation of a
database. I'd like to support the option ... the problem is to do so
without
things that are no
longer crit path and new things that are with each release.
If it isn't, there's a bug somewhere, as critpath generation should take
dependencies into account - if gnome-shell actually depends on clutter,
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Yes, critpath includes default desktop.
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away any existing partitions on the disk, I think. (IMBW on this
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about the likelihood of that
happening.
And I agree with Toshio that this has to go through FESCo. It would be
good to present them with as comprehensive and realistic a survey as
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pushed back! Please propose any further topics by reply and we'll add
them to the agenda, or just bring them up in the open discussion. Thanks
everyone!
Proposed agenda:
* Previous meeting follow-up
* Beta preparation
* l10n / i18n test week
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it. None of this is news to anyone actually involved in the
relevant development teams =)
this topic has really been done to death on this list and many others.
anaconda team is aware of the memory use issue and is working on fixing
it. this selinux change is one of the fixes.
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live install is different from traditional install as it isn't
installing any packages; no rpm scripts are run and take up resources.
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start giving a crap about your bugs.
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an entire alternative shell - the
fallback mode - which exists expressly to support systems which cannot
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Is a simple CIFS mount exercising libtalloc? I wasn't sure about that,
so I didn't file any karma yet. I have a CIFS share from my NAS box
mounted on my F16 system and that's working fine, but I wasn't sure if
that's enough of a use case to +1 the update.
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about it. =)
So regardless.. Thank You all who have beaten this
thing to death and those who won't let it die until it's as efficient
as possible with the hardware given.
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clueful has thoughts on the prototypejs and
python-scriptaculous issues, or on which of the tt-rss deps are likely
copylibs and don't need to be packaged separately, that'd be really
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be good if
you would update the bug report to indicate this.
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On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 11:27 +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com writes:
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 08:50 +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Please wait until I am finished working on it. This is not a bug that
can be easily reproduced.
The Arch report claims a fully
at least one
significant vuln, as that bug link I put in my original mail shows.
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On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 19:16 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
glibc maintainers / developers, if you don't want me to do this, please
start giving a crap about your bugs.
Speaking of critical glibc bugs, what about this one?
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 14:52 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
Real numbers before bald assertions please :-)
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On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 09:48 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
and I'm _not_ being paid to
maintain gedit.
Er...glibc. though I'm not paid to maintain gedit either. =)
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not terribly likely in the short-term, I think :/ Peter's been too
busy to carry the torch lately, I believe, and is prioritizing Sugar.
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result in any legal issues, it's just...an error that should be
corrected.
But we should probably just wait for Spot to weigh in. =)
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https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/bluez-4.96-2.fc16 - so F16 users
should have it now too.
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problems than it solved. So we're reluctant to add resolutions and
statuses that don't exist upstream - even if Mozilla have hacked up
their own copy of their own upstream bug reporting system to add
resolutions...
(if EXPIRED really exists in upstream bugzilla, that'd be a different
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a set of
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On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 22:28 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 01:20:19PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Is there a specific reason glibc does this?
Yes.
Can it not have a set of patches, one per change, as is usual practice?
Fedora glibc sources are from git
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 16:43 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote:
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 12:29 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 14:01 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote:
What you're really saying is that most maintainers want to work from a
list of unexpired bugs. But there are ways
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 13:43 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 22:28 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 01:20:19PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Is there a specific reason glibc does this?
Yes.
Can it not have a set of patches, one per change
it to 'no bugs with
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On Sat, 2011-09-03 at 00:50 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 23:02:04 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote:
about the 'fedora' branch of upstream glibc.
GDB uses a similar style for the merged patchsets in the Archer repository:
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p
preparation
* Graphics test week
* AutoQA update
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tarball and wondering where they came from
and what they do, as I was. This makes glibc not at all raptor-proof,
and not very amenable to outside review or improvements, which is rather
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make sure Fedora 16's graphics experience
is second to none!
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-09-06_Nouveau
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-09-07_Radeon
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-09-08_Intel
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On Sat, 2011-09-03 at 20:56 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
On 09/03/2011 07:31 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
To look at things at a higher level: it's clearly the goal of the
guidelines that any interested party (with sufficient basic knowledge)
who comes along and checks a Fedora package out
.fc16
karma is listed as 1, the only positive feedback shown as I write this
is from kengert, who submitted the update.
Is this a Bodhi bug? Or does FESCo expect voluntary compliance /
case-by-case enforcement of this policy?
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On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 11:00 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:02:25PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
I've mentioned before that I actually support this, but I'm in the
minority, and AFAIK the current policy is supposed to be that
maintainers cannot upkarma updates
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 18:38 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 7 September 2011 01:02, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
Is this a Bodhi bug? Or does FESCo expect voluntary compliance /
case-by-case enforcement of this policy?
I'm guilty of this too; when I file an update that's
On Sat, 2011-09-03 at 10:45 +0200, Matej Cepl wrote:
Dne 2.9.2011 22:54, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
Hum, I didn't realize our resolutions were so customized, I thought they
were the upstream ones; this is what I've been told when discussing
custom resolutions in the past. It's certainly
place to monitor progress in this case.
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use this gui.
The standard alternative seems to be webkit, quite a few packages I've
noticed have migrated from gtkhtml to webkit. AFAICT, gtkhtml3 doesn't
appear to have Python bindings.
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a file on the first mirror it
tries.
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On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 18:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:15:56 -0700
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 18:38 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 7 September 2011 01:02, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com
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Is this a Bodhi bug
://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester .
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change in my private git branch, and it
built...) and I installed the package from koji / updates-testing on
my reasonably sane Fedora 16 installation and it worked.
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*because* of the relatively
tight karma requirements.
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that it was assumed to be one.
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and whoever ends up running the meeting will add it. Thanks!
Proposed agenda:
* Previous meeting follow-up
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20110829)
* Beta preparation
* Update policy changes?
* Upcoming events
* AutoQA update
* Open discussion
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maintainers run Rawhide, for the same reason few other people run
it: it's too unstable.
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tested* tends to make
people scream bloody murder. Rome wasn't built in a day, etc etc.
(But hey, at least it's not automated GUI testing!)
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On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 11:17 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 01:02:26AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 08:56 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
I thought AutoQA was going to do this, but it's been disappointing.
AutoQA is under active
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