from both before and after this one. Has it been overlooked?
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underlinking issues, they always understood after being pointed to
the Mandriva Wiki page.
I believe Debian's checking scripts also note underlinking issues as a
'warning'-type thing (i.e. they notify the packager and suggest it
should be fixed, but don't fail the build). IMB
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 01:15 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 January 2010, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 01:59 +0100, Milos Jakubicek wrote:
> > > Also I have really doubts what concerns upstreamability of the necessary
> > > changes in pa
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 20:04 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 00:06 +0000, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> >
> > if so, Mandriva has been enforcing the fixing of this type of error for
> > a couple of years now (by having --as-needed and --no-undefined in
rebuilt. This also makes
it basically impossible to update to Rawhide at present:
Error: Missing Dependency: libparted-1.9.so.0()(64bit) is needed by
package nash-6.0.93-1.fc12.x86_64 (installed)
you can't exactly remove nash to let the update go through, since dracut
and mkinitrd both depen
On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 00:00 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
> xqilla-2.1.3-0.6.fc11.src.rpm
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=511425
This one also has a major policy breach issue:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=555836
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> but removing files in cvs/devel is easy enough.
synce-kde is replaced by synce-kpm. The maintainer seems somewhat
erratic in his availability - I may ask to be made a co-maintainer for
the synce stuff so I can take a shot at keeping it up to date (I really
need to look into
gt; http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html
Mandriva uses standard categories too, now (for a few years in fact);
any use of the X-MandrivaLinux categories is now an error. Just for
reference. I think most distros are happy with the standard fd.o
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for this. It already allows
you to specify the type of app at a pretty fine level (there's
categories for text editors and so on). Exactly how to construct the
final system menus *from* the categories defined in the .desktop file is
left up to the DE / distro to decide, so Fedora could c
On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 17:24 -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:12:14PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 00:00 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
> >
> > > xqilla-2.1.3-0.6.fc11.src.rpm
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bu
On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 01:45 +0100, Alain Portal wrote:
> Le vendredi 15 janvier 2010 23:42:41, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> > On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 23:04 +0100, Alain Portal wrote:
> > > A good initiative, but seems to be stillborn (stillbirth? In
> french :
> > > « mo
ee that kwrite could go into a
'Text Editors' submenu. kcalc and kbackup could both stand to have a
standard subcategory beyond just 'utility' added to their .desktop
files, I guess. The point is that the existing fd.o standard categories
already have enough granularity to allow a distro to
I show you in my previous message with the "cat" command, these
> (sub)categories exits in each desktop file in F-12, but there isn't
> subsequent
> submenu, as there are in FC-6
I never said anything different. I said 'currently'. FC6 was a long time
ago, and
o much, though, please feel free to just
email the QA list (test@) or me personally, and we'll help guide you
through the process.
Just for reference, here's the ideas we have already for the F13 cycle:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:QA/Fedora_13_test_days
Now dazzle us with your i
not, that's hardly abrt's fault.
> * abrt is frustrating for users: Today I received my first "No
> need for a reply...I will stop submitting tickets."
>
> Can somebody confirm my observations?
Not really, no. Anything new will have _some_ negative eff
messing up the shelves and dirtying up the floors and
asking stupid questions.
In much the same way, it'd be ever so much easier to run a distribution
really *efficiently* if no-one ever used it...:)
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problem. Of course, if anyone feels like doing it for them and sending
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an overclocked Q6600, 4GB RAM) I can get through a trivial build
in about 1:30 in mock if it uses a cached environment; minimum of 5
minutes if it doesn't.
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y the maintainer so the touch doesn't prove anything one way or
another about the activeness or otherwise of the maintainer?
I'm a bit lost. :)
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_mflags'] = '-j3'
>
> Unless `rpmbuild --showrc` shows a bad definition for _smp_mflags,
or, more easily:
rpm --eval %_smp_mflags
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the time since f12 release
(except when I was in the UK) so I had all the abrt test updates running
here. The problem is that none of the apps I use really crash very much
so I didn't give it much real-world testing even then :)
need more unstable apps!
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attachment to bugzilla and
> have to go
> into my homedir, firefox hangs.
I don't believe it was ever escalated as a blocker. I probably didn't
consider promoting it as one at the time as FUSE isn't used for any
normal native Linux mount. Probably the most common use of
modprobe.d and either remove them from initrd (as you
did) or use the rdblacklist kernel parameter to stop them being loaded
from the initrd.
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So far working
> lot better, although my login name still doesn't show up at the
> gdm/login screen. Still just the *other* login is there.
That's a known bug already filed in Bugzilla IIRC. Everyone's getting
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On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 07:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > I don't believe it was ever escalated as a blocker. I probably
> didn't
> > consider promoting it as one at the time as FUSE isn't used for any
> > normal native Linux mount.
ython any more and block that too, or
restore eel2. Thanks.
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On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 11:34 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 22:00 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 13:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> >
> > > I'm going to build gnome-desktop 2.29.5 in rawhide, which bumps
> the
>
-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-addon-kerneloops-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-plugin-ticketuploader-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-plugin-logger-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-libs-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-addon-python-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
let me know if anything seems to be missing. thanks.
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 16:47 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said:
> > Just checking if I'm the only one - I can't find a bug report, though
> > I'll probably file one. abrt doesn't seem to work in current Rawhide.
> &g
; Neil
So, amusing as this is, I would say we definitely need to have abrt
working for Alpha. (Actually, I might even propose we add that to the
release criteria). Alpha is scheduled for March 2nd, freeing Feb 16th.
Any chance you two could shelve the egos and fix this by then? Thanks.
I'll
e
> summary in us...@.
There was a clear failure in this process, though, which was that the
update was sent straight to updates and did not go through
updates-testing. I can't see any reason why that should be acceptable
for an update to a very popular package which manipulates data that i
ne, so it broke
some time since then.
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On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 23:24 -0500, Patrick Dignan wrote:
> On 01/28/2010 07:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 09:10 -0500, Patrick Dignan wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I'll take nautilus-python. I spoke with upstream to confirm they had
nd lsusb as static binaries? That would allow
> us not to break the filesystem architecture and have usable tools.
There's no need for that. Binaries in /bin or /sbin should have their
libraries in /lib rather than /usr/lib . This is perfectly OK under FHS.
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hat?
Well, reboot is a one-time operation; if there's only one user logged
in, they can only affect themselves by rebooting. Adjusting the clock or
installing new software isn't the same.
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On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 10:52 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 02:27:13PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > Please do provide any and all feedback on the proposed policy. if we can
> > get it into a shape which most people on the list would find acceptable,
>
On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 08:33 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Please do provide any and all feedback on the proposed policy. if we can
> > get it into a shape which most people on the list would find acceptable,
> > my next step will be to take it back
On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 10:31 -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:20 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > Well, reboot is a one-time operation; if there's only one user logged
> > in, they can only affect themselves by rebooting. Adjusting the clock or
&
On Sun, 2010-01-31 at 08:55 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > I think it's sensible, yeah. It's not really much bureaucracy; I don't
> > think it would ever be a good idea to introduce a new privilege
> > escalation mechanism without FESc
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currently disabled.
Right, good point, and it's not covered specifically under any existing
point because you could do all of that without editing a config file or
directly manipulating network traffic, if someone stuffed up the
permissions model of ifconfig or NetworkManager.
Will add. Tha
le shortly.
Feel free to discuss any issue/problem/bug encountered on IRC/Test List
and file it in bugzilla if it's a bug.
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sonable level of knowledge concerning Pulseaudio
> though.
>
> Carl
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You seem to be ignoring the fact that the hall monitors also sent
Lennart a warning for his post.
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ally doesn't reflect on the package maintainer, because triage is
supposed to be done by Bugzappers (unless the package maintainer *wants*
to do it). 2), Bugzappers has nowhere near enough personpower to cover
anything more than a very small proportion of bugs ATM. Looking at the
big picture, probab
g on this against gnome-icon-theme, BTW.
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On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 11:44 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 00:10 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
>
> > It always amazes me how the Red Hat employees are those that speak up
> > against criticism of something like this. I stand by my mothersh
me
I've tried it out I've found it useless for the majority of sites, I
either run without Flash or use Adobe, myself.
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stable at that point.
It was pushed earlier today. The bug can be closed now, if it isn't
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tion into fedora-packager, or
would it just confuse/surprise people?
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On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 16:23 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 01:17:26PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Would it be nice to stick this customization into fedora-packager, or
> > would it just confuse/surprise people?
>
> If it's there as somet
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 00:13 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> http://blog.vagmim.com/2009/04/git-branch-on-command-prompt.html
> >
> > Would it be nice to stick this customization into fedora-packager, or
> > would it just confuse/surpri
27;fedpkg srpm' then 'mock -r fedora-14-i386 --rebuild foo.src.rpm' .
You'll need mock 1.1.3 to do successful builds on / for F14, though.
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=188082
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omodset parameter from grub.conf
> and all seems to be well so far.
So, wait, it works with the radeon driver without 'nomodeset' after
installing, but not during installation? Because that would be a rather
odd bug and different from what we usually see...
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>
> (I should have changed the subject two round trips ago. Oh well...)
I suspect it might short-circuit the 'ahhh, but what about...' 'oooh,
but then I can...' nature of the conversation if you just put together a
proof-of-concept attack and document it so
sked Matthias the same question yesterday :>),
you can do it in gconf. desktop/gnome/background , make the obvious
changes to picture_filename (remember, f14's codename is laughlin).
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On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 17:31 +0100, Paul Howarth wrote:
> On 04/08/10 17:28, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 15:06 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> >> I have a modified package locally and want to install and test it. Since
> >> it's a biarch p
documentation
> for it?
Okay, then, clearly, I should have said: "If you use the bundled mock
configs and don't figure out your own workaround for SELinux bugs, you
will need mock 1.1.3 to build for F14'. (/me looks around desperately
for the email 'rolleyes' smiley).
No i
.
> >
> Means with Gnome3 we'll be stuck with whatever the default
> gtk(3)-engine, mutter/metacity theme, notification-daemon engine, fonts,
> cursors, backgrounds will be or we will have to resort to gconf (dconf?)
> handywork? Seems like a huge step backwards to me...
He di
t's a good idea to
edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and change the 'resample-method' parameter.
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er tooling,
> or more blocker meetings aren't the solution--people communicating
> proactively is.
>
> Are there any other things I can do to help make this go more smoothly?
>
> Are there any other people willing to formally step up and help me do this?
Well, I can give
> doesn't seem to do this. Is this a policy decision in Fedora's bug
> workflow, or merely an RFE I need to file against Bodhi?
IIRC, it sets ON_QA when the update is *pushed* to -testing - not when
it's *submitted*.
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ice appreciated.
Is dbus actually running? ps aux | grep bus
Does it work if you boot with upstart? Edit your kernel params and add
'init=/sbin/upstart'
What I'm betting is that you got systemd 5-2 on your upgrade, and that
version has a known problem whereby systemctl segfaults w
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 11:21 +0100, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 10:46 +, Petr Pisar wrote:
> >
> >> PulseAudio is interresting project, but it's absolutely unusable on old
> >&
solver and the
> > name server, which isn't secured.
>
> Not to mention that one has to trust one's own nameserver, which is a
> bad idea when using a public wireless access point. In order to achieve
I believe that can be simplified to 'using a public wireless acces
ably do the same for f14 - jesse has been away, and
those who are doing the pushes at present weren't aware until today that
we usually keep the -testing pushes going.
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much testing as possible by then. Any help you all can
give to fill out the install and desktop matrices would be greatly
appreciated, focusing on the Alpha tests. The live images are not
available yet, but coming soon. There will be live images for all four
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> This is the "Green Age" what are you doing wasting a CD? Mother earth
> frowns on you. Be kind and reuse your ISO by installing via the network.
> I'd recommend a USB drive but I think that is still broken.
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o anaconda. A short-hand for xdriver=vesa
There's a fallback mode right on the menu - 'Basic video driver
installation' or whatever. That uses vesa.
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On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 14:05 -0700, Bob Arendt wrote:
> On 08/11/10 10:03, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 08:20 -0700, Bob Arendt wrote:
> >> .
> >> Perhaps having a simple "vesa" arg to anaconda to force a vesa Xserver
> >> wou
rs, the other listing the affected packages each person owns
> or comaintains.
Provenpackagers can file updates for packages they don't own or
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to happen in Rawhide FIRST.
Frank's guess wasn't correct. Lennart simply pushed the changes to F14
first because we needed them in a hurry for the Alpha RC3 build.
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or new
features to include in it. In the past, when we hit feature freeze, if
you wanted to work on some shiny new feature for future releases, you
had to do it in some kind of side repository. Now, even though you can't
do that in F14, you can do it in Rawhide and be nice and early for F15.
' module systemwide. Actually, it might be worth discussing
dropping it from F14 or F15 entirely. I've just today adjusted
spin-kickstarts not to use it any more. Anyone aware of other cases
where it's used? Aside from the non-RandR 1.2 drivers, which cover a
small minority of
Please reply here, and if you observe the same problem as
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dora is 55% Emacs LISP ...
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> http://www.ohloh.net/p/fedora-packages/analyses/latest
It's only analyzed four files, so far (note the Licenses chart).
I'd guess this analysis is run fairly infrequently, and it just happened
to get run right after Peter started importing repos.
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be able to do something like this.
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forest of pre-generated Modelines to get around
this, but that was just nasty.
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On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 14:32 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2010/08/12 10:46 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
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> > It's more or less dead. ajax technically maintains it, but it's right at
> > the bottom of his priority list and we've been wanting to drop
letely breaks FTP install; then the anaconda team fixes that
for RC#1, but we discover that the same FTP install path is broken at a
later point. We couldn't have found that at TC#1 time, because it's
hidden by the earlier breakage.
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ker bugs
to be in those components. Kernel more than any of the others, but that
is almost always down to the bits of graphics driver that live in the
kernel these days.
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don't believe we've slipped more than two weeks for any of at least the
last three releases. Two weeks on a six month cycle really is not a
terrible slip.
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; making sample applications beyond the server itself.
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> I don't think I understand which we on whose behalf you speak.
He was speaking on behalf of X.org at that point.
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ing the release does
not give a complete picture of why the release slipped.
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hatever you want to call it), in Bodhi.
I think it's even already been reported and is planned to be addressed
in future Bodhi. Luke?
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outsiders, and how difficult it is
to get stuff committed to them. I note that the common link between all
these cases appears to be Kevin. Perhaps the problem isn't the projects,
after all?
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ch anyone can join (or, alternatively,
which can choose their membership based on any criteria at all) better
qualified to run the project than a board, and committees, to which
people are elected by vote of project members?
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On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 18:49 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote:
> On Fri 13 August 2010 18:44:37 Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Perhaps the problem isn't the projects,
> > after all?
>
> The KDE Firefox integration patches were written by openSuSE developers, not
> Kev.
Kevin&#x
> nothing...
Same objection as 'nothing is worse than a broken package'; it's not
true. They could have bad conflicts / obsoletes, or they could be set to
run on startup after being installed and crash the system...there's
various ways in which an entirely new package could stuf
stem or send a privat reply instead.
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> Opinions?
FWIW, I have a phone which can only top post and so I refrain from
posting to lists with it. I think in general if it's not something
really urgent you can just wait till later to write it, and if it's
really urgent, reply off-list
ke a different bug. Not
entirely sure what, though. We do have all the test results we need now,
though, so you can stand down - thanks for trying!
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