Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 16:44:31 +0200, Colin Walters wrote: Various projects have been adding AM_SILENT_RULES from Automake to their Makefiles for developer convenience; the goal being that they see warnings more easily. It is inconvenient as one can no longer easily reproduce the compilation for

Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 16:44:31 +0200, Colin Walters wrote: the goal being that they see warnings more easily. You should make -Werror default instead, by compiling packages without -Werror various bugs creep in which would be much easier fixed before the compilation. Regards, Jan -- devel

Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:14:27 +0200, Adam Jackson wrote: If you're volunteering to fix and/or paper over all the spurious warnings gcc and glibc introduce with every phase of the moon, then sure. Yes, I do it for my component, GDB has -Werror default in development phases upstream. It cleans

Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:16:54 +0200, Matthew Garrett wrote: Never, ever ship software with -Werror enabled. I agree - for source distribution. Yes, GDB releases have -Werror turned off. It's a development-only option. You have no idea what gcc will decide is a warning in future, so it's

Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:39:55 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: Please reread the whole message; this passage only reasons why various UPSTREAMS have chosen to use silent rules. The patch is all about globally enabling the verbose mode, exactly the same you were proposing in the kernel ticket. OK,

Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:45:15 +0200, Matthew Garrett wrote: If a package fails to build in a mass rebuild because -Werror was enabled then that's additional work for several people to fix something that may not have ever actually been broken. 99% of warnings will not lead to user visible bugs.

Re: Anaconda memory requirements

2011-08-20 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:31:55 +0200, John Reiser wrote: Anaconda requires 768MB, and more (=1GB) if there is no swap partition. [...] Use the installer that is available on a Live spin, instead of using anaconda. This reduces the memory requirements by 128MB:

Re: Notice of intent: patching glibc

2011-09-02 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 23:02:04 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote: about the 'fedora' branch of upstream glibc. GDB uses a similar style for the merged patchsets in the Archer repository: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=gdb.git;a=blob_plain;f=gdb-archer.patch;hb=f16 Given that this

Re: F-16 suspends my *desktop* after 30 minutes at the gdm , making it impossible to ssh in

2011-10-01 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:33:13 +0200, drago01 wrote: but the suspend does not work on desktop argument is simply not true Not replying to metoo/flames but neither suspend nor hibernate worked reliably for me through years on notebook (T60). Depending on BIOS and kernel versions the former or

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-03 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:34:45 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of broken displays' EDID. If not blacklisting then whitelisting them, you have the community. This is X.org's task, though. Regards, Jan -- devel mailing list

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 18:20:56 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: I already gave a reason why we should maintain these packages as RPM, but unfortunately you have trimmed that part of my mail: There is no way to install and manage extensions globally for all users on a computer. There is also no

Re: A software center for Fedora

2011-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:40:58 +0100, Gregory Maxwell wrote: Here is what my F14 laptop has: http://people.xiph.org/~greg/packagekit.png It can be configured to only show end-user graphical applications That's not enough. I use my grandfather unaffected by prior MS-Windows experience as a

Re: A software center for Fedora

2011-11-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 02:26:44 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: (3) He is not going to wait for installation of new games to try them. He wants to just click and run the game - like he does with Flash games, immediately. I have no problem running there: yum --setopt

all-versions Koji repository (or a build-id database)

2010-09-08 Thread Jan Kratochvil
Hi, Could Koji provide all the available versions of packages in a repository? Even http://koji.fedoraproject.org/static-repos/ indexes only the latest package versions there. Also f14 is not available there. --

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:42:02 +0200, Kevin Fenzi wrote: If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. I find this

Re: Fedora 14 Beta corrupts user data

2010-09-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:58:05 +0200, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:40:22 -0700, John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote: Compiled code for minimum(), maximum(), etc. suffers from a compiler bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634757-O1 wrong-code by

Re: x86_64 as Fedora's primary platform

2010-09-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:53:09 +0200, seth vidal wrote: On Mon, 2010-09-27 at 13:48 -0400, Gregory Maxwell wrote: When will the Fedora project begin recommending x86_64 as the preferred option on the relevant hardware? i686 will run on x86_64 and i686 machines and on the overwhelming

Re: i686/x86_64 dual install media

2010-10-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:45:38 -0400, Mark Bidewell wrote: Sorry if this has been discussed, but has there every been discussion of a dual 32/64-bit install media? /usr/bin/mkbiarch is included in livecd-tools-034-2.fc14 upwards:

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 00:36:58 +0100, Vaclav Mocek wrote: I have read some articles about the Cold Boot Attacks and I am wondering whether my Fedora box is protected against such kinds of attack, at least to some extent. If you have physical access to the box there is no security left.

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:39:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: please no - O2 is a performance improvement while minidebuginfo is the opposite, not only bloating the size, also bloadting the data to laod from disk FYI minidebuginfo does not affect loading from disk (mostly) in any way. See 'readelf

Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-23 Thread Jan Kratochvil
Hi, as elfutils package is going to contain unwinder in its next release orphaning the libunwind library. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/libunwind Jan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:23:16 +0100, Mat Booth wrote: Won't you need to retire it when elfutils obsoletes it? The development is not yet at that point, it may happen later: (1) elfutils needs to integrate it and get released first (January/February), being worked on with Mark Wielaard:

Re: Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:00:17 +0100, Josh Boyer wrote: So are you not orphaning libunwind until that is merged into the upstream kernel? To get the terminology right: I am 'orphaning' it now. Later it may be 'obsolsted'. If I should keep it formally maintaining I could. But factically it

Re: Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:22:08 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:00:17 +0100, Josh Boyer wrote: So are you not orphaning libunwind until that is merged into the upstream kernel? To get the terminology right: I am 'orphaning' it now. Later it may be 'obsolsted'. Probably

Re: Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:44:24 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 26.11.12 11:23, Mat Booth (fed...@matbooth.co.uk) wrote: On 24 November 2012 07:40, Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, as elfutils package is going to contain unwinder in its next release

Re: Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 02:48:00 +0100, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: But these are just implementation. Ideally we want every package that gets released to the users to have a maintainer that is watching bug reports and attempting to fix anything serious. There are serious bugs so that some cases are

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-12-03 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:56:24 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: On 11/13/2012 10:23 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: Sometimes things aren't ideal for one group in favor of another. WHAT group is actually in favor of MiniDebugInfo? It has one single person as the feature owner. ABRT

Re: Installing glib2-devel.i686 alongside glib2-devel.x86_64 on Fedora?

2012-12-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:30:25 +0100, Ilyes Gouta wrote: file /usr/bin/gdbus-codegen from install of glib2-devel-2.32.4-2.fc17.i686 conflicts with file from package glib2-devel-2.32.4-2.fc17.x86_64 Not addressing here. file /usr/share/glib-2.0/gdb/glib.pyc from install of

Re: firewalld and Ekiga

2012-12-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:09:51 +0100, Antonio wrote: My internet connection implicates an outdoor antenna equipped with a management software that includes a firewall (as well as other services like NAT, UPnP, DDNS, ...); After trying to workaround this and that ISP/WiFi router I have found most

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:18:19 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely must be fixed before it can become the default (both affect virtualization, coincidentally): It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for 10-15 minutes

Re: Shall we modify '-g' to '-g3' to have gcc save the macro info?

2013-01-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:12:29 +0100, xning wrote: Shall we should modify '-g' to '-g3' to have gcc save the macro info? So when we install *-debuginfo packages, we can look up a macro definition, just like we can look up a function definition. That would be great, I have not found any official

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-19 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:57:38 +0100, Rahul Sundaram wrote: I wouldn't read it that rigidly. Its more along the lines of, its more helpful to file bug reports and post them for discussions because its easier to keep track of. I have already filed enough stopper Bugs for btrfs and nothing

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:22:16 +0100, Nikos Roussos wrote: True. Or others might consider it productive. Same goes for all Desktop environments. That's why I said that I see no real argument here for changing our default desktop. Could we make a web poll for preferred desktop and make the top

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-18 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:06:13 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 01/17/2010 06:49 PM, Camilo Mesias wrote: This is a good point, the users shouldn't really have to install debuginfo for a one-off use. It would be better for a central server or service to have access to all the debuginfo files

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-18 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:18:11 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 01/17/2010 05:57 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: 5. Instead of hashes the missing debuginfo packages should be listed with n-v-r, so people can install them manually. This could be a problem. ABRT determines the required

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-18 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:19:29 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 01/18/2010 11:17 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: Currently ABRT can at least run `rpm -qf MAIN_EXECUTABLE ALL_GDB_INFO_SHARED_DISPLAYED LIBRARIES FILENAMES' and report these nvrs in the Bugzilla bugreport before such build-id - nvr

Re: Rebuilding gcc on Fedora 18 - Howto build i686 packages on a x86_64 machine

2013-08-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:48:24 +0200, Jon Miller wrote: How do the experts build the i686 x86_64 packages? (I did notice the Build Host varies between the two, so I'm wondering if I need to build a 32bit Fedora 18 instance to repeat this build process?) With some packages it is possible to run:

Re: Heads up! I'm going to upgrade Wireshark up to 1.10.x in Fedora 18

2013-09-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:42:20 +0200, Peter Lemenkov wrote: I'm afraid that's just adds additional work for maintainers w/o any visible benefits. The benefits are the stable Fedora release does not break 3rd party applications during its deployment/lifecycle. Let's move further instead of

Re: What does it mean if two debuginfo packages create the same dwz build ID file?

2013-09-14 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:56:26 +0200, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: /usr/lib/debug/.build-id/da/39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709.debug which is a symlink to: /usr/lib/debug/.dwz/ocaml-pcre-7.0.2-5.fc21.x86_64 [...] /usr/lib/debug/.build-id/da/39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709.debug

Re: What does it mean if two debuginfo packages create the same dwz build ID file?

2013-09-14 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 14:17:28 +0200, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: What I didn't understand is what these /usr/lib/debug/.dwz/* files are. Are they related to some files that we're building and how? It is the dwz (=debuginfo size optimizer) option -m: -m FILE --multifile FILE [...] create

Re: What does it mean if two debuginfo packages create the same dwz build ID file?

2013-09-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 23:53:53 +0200, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 02:21:45PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: It is the dwz (=debuginfo size optimizer) option -m: -m FILE --multifile FILE [...] create ELF object FILE and put debugging information duplicated

Re: What does it mean if two debuginfo packages create the same dwz build ID file?

2013-09-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:39:00 +0200, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: But anyway, pure content-based build-ids are IMHO misguided (since they presume non-conflict from external coincedences), thus my salting proposal/patch in BZ1002341. The fix is in debugedit. This means that use of dwz in non-rpm

Re: Ananconda

2013-09-21 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 20:12:41 +0200, Phil Dobbin wrote: I was wondering as to why Ananconda has no facility to overwrite a distro already present on the target machine. I've studied it apart from destroying the existing partition with GParted there seems to be no other way (this happens on 18

Re: hidden GRUB menu - Re: Suspension problem last 2 days

2013-09-22 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 03:21:32 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: now we have exactly what i said will happen: users in trouble does not know how to boot the still installed older kernel because they never learned that there are more than one because they never faced it as all the years before My

Re: hidden GRUB menu - Re: Suspension problem last 2 days

2013-09-22 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:24:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 22.09.2013 18:13, schrieb Jan Kratochvil: My grandfather still believes those are multiple _different_ Fedora installations, each having different games/files. As he has also CentOS menu item there having multiple Fedora items

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:21:01 +0200, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: To justify removing it, we just need to collect data to show that those performance benefits no longer exist, with current hardware and software combination in Fedora. That is what this email thread is seeking to confirm. There is

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:59:59 +0200, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: I wouldn't read that as saying that prelink is slowing down startup, rather that the benefit of prelink is so small as to be indistinguishable from the background noise. That's the problem we even disagree how to read the numbers.

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:04:05 +0200, Matthew Miller wrote: But, since prelink presents other problems on its own, Prelinked system is a good test for tools like GDB, elfutils and others they can properly handle the displacements of sections/segments. This is something that ELF does not forbid so

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:27:23 +0200, Dhiru Kholia wrote: In spite of this fact, I believe that they are enough to demonstrate that prelink is not resulting in any big gains anymore. Nobody says prelink brings _big_ gains. It is just a negligible performance and negligible battery optimization

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:42:25 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: * look at the amount of updates and how they hit prelinked libraries until prelink ran again * look at the lsof | grep DEL | grep /usr output caused by prelink Sorry I do not see what disadvantage is it? * look at the wasted cycles

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:50:44 +0200, Simo Sorce wrote: Many tools need to juggle the fact these binaries have been changed, and make checkers more complex and prone to faults. So let's build the whole system with -O0 and we can throw away most of compilers and half of debuggers, which are all

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:54:21 +0200, Chris Adams wrote: Now you are wasting a chunk of RAM, as it can't be shared between non-prelinked and prelinked bins/libs. OK, yes. I believe with RAM prices and therefore RAM sizes nowadays you will still have overall better system performance with

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:54:15 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: have fun in distinct between prelink caused needs-restarting or real This is a bug of update system it does not know if an updated service needs restarting or not. your notebooks are running 24 hours a day? really? OT: Yes, really. I

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:24:06 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.10.2013 20:07, schrieb Jan Kratochvil: This is a bug of update system it does not know if an updated service needs restarting or not. you can always point with your finger somewhere else the better way is solve the root cause

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:25:10 +0200, Paul Wouters wrote: - complexity - complicated prelink blacklists - complicated cron job exclusion with sysconfig You can always make your software development life more simple by giving up on some useful feature. That -O2 vs. -O0 build is a good

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:54:06 +0200, Chris Adams wrote: Since you keep repeating this one: -O2 vs. -O0 has a significant performance gain. The message that started this thread indicates that prelink may not have a significant gain anymore. If that's the case, than _any_ effort is not worth

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:08:40 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.10.2013 21:05, schrieb Jan Kratochvil: It depends, for example in this case prelink saves 33% of time (and battery): i=0;time while [ $i -lt 1000 ];do /usr/bin/gnome-open --help /dev/null;i=$[$i+1];done where

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:10:34 +0200, Chris Adams wrote: Do you really run gnome-open --help 1000 times per reasonable unit of time (or ever)? Please stop using bogus comparisons and highly contrived tests. They do nothing to help your argument. The goal of this example was to show that in a

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:59:13 +0200, Paul Wouters wrote: On Tue, 15 Oct 2013, Jan Kratochvil wrote: Disable/uninstall prelink for FIPS. I tried that. I submitted a patch for prelink to un-prelink on de-install in %preun. It has been ignored by you for over a year and I seriously had

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:12:00 +0200, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 09:05:03PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: i=0;time while [ $i -lt 1000 ];do /usr/bin/gnome-open --help /dev/null;i=$[$i+1];done I hope we can all agree that this is not useful example. Explained

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 23:51:18 +0200, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: $ rpm -V libreoffice-core prelink: /tmp/#prelink#.TZlaPL: Recorded 92 dependencies, now seeing -1 Repeating for the third time in this thread: This is a known prelink Bug and you can find the single line fix/workaround there:

Re: prelink performance gains [summary]

2013-10-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:20:02 +0200, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: I understand, but what bothers me isn't the prelink bug but prelink itself being installed by default (for what it does regardless of the bug). What exactly bothers you? It (generally) speeds up programs startup. As a summary I see

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:56:44 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: So even in that totally artificial case, we gain very little, considering the trouble that prelink is. After all the discussion I have listed the current known issues: prelink performance gains [summary]

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:45:00 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: why waste time and energy to fix things with little to no benefit IIRC compiler team spends 1.5 year to get 1% of performane gain. Here you have almost ready feature with up to ... questionable but it is in a range of percents in some real

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-17 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 00:16:35 +0200, Robert Relyea wrote: prelink throws rocks at a lot of packages that have to check the integrity of the shared libraries they are using. It provides no real useful way of assisting in those tasks, It provides 'prelink -y' only for exactly that purpose. There

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-17 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:28:07 +0200, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Paul Wouters pwout...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2013, Jan Kratochvil wrote: I agree there remains some work on prelink itself and some packages around to make prelink relevant again I don't

Re: Differences between Fakeroot and Mock Suggested method

2013-10-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:07:15 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote: generate the SRPM and do 'koji build --scratch fXX blah.src.rpm' , where You would have to rpmbuild -bs *.spec first to get blash.src.rpm. It is done all by: fedpkg build --scratch --srpm The problem is that it uploads the whole

Re: debuginfo packages available in updates later than regular packages.

2013-11-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:50:51 +0100, Sandro Mani wrote: A nice solution to ensure consistency could be to have each debuginfo package require the exact version of the base package installed. Since the debuginfo package however cannot know which base (sub)package it should depend on, I wonder

Re: debuginfo packages available in updates later than regular packages.

2013-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:39:38 +0100, Sandro Mani wrote: Here is a quick and dirty spec implementing the idea I described: [1]. From what I can see it behaves correctly with any combination of packages and subpackages installed. Am I missing something? [1]

Re: Disabling ABRT?

2013-12-29 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 13:17:49 +0100, Richard Fearn wrote: On 29 December 2013 11:29, Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I had tried this but still no core in the executing directory. Now I'm not sure where they are going - certainly nowhere in $HOME. Could be a couple

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:57:19 +0100, Karel Klic wrote: Dne 16.11.2010 11:04, Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): Le Lun 15 novembre 2010 23:51, Karel Klic a écrit : Major advantage of the retrace server is that you can get a good backtraces even from unfresh coredumps. And why can't this be done

pulseaudio crashes: non-responsive maintainer Lennart Poettering

2010-11-19 Thread Jan Kratochvil
Hello, filed month+ ago: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=643296 Simple fix of memory corruption affecting various applications incl. Firefox. Completed Policy for nonresponsive package maintainers there, got an off-list reply but still no fix commit or commit rights

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-17)

2010-11-20 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 22:24:46 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: The packages have an automated test suite. I test the code changes as applied the main branch. I test the final update RPMs rebuilt locally my system. Given all this testing, I'm not going to spend time testing the particular

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-17)

2010-11-20 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 22:42:57 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: I personally can say that the week-long delay significantly diminishes my enjoyment of backporting patches into existing Fedora releases. Being able to spend 30 minutes fixing a bug for an user and getting an immediate feeling of

Re: pulseaudio crashes: non-responsive maintainer Lennart Poettering

2010-11-20 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 22:52:51 +0100, Kevin Fenzi wrote: but I think it might be good to get a few motivated maintainers for the fedora package. Also think so. Twinkle sound is choppy when using pulseaudio, the details are not important here as I have not even filed it when the pulseaudio Bugs

Re: pulseaudio crashes: non-responsive maintainer Lennart Poettering

2010-11-20 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 01:52:02 +0100, Ray Strode wrote: On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Completed Policy for nonresponsive package maintainers there, got an off-list reply but still no fix commit or commit rights approval. Lennart is surely around... I

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-17)

2010-11-21 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:32:38 +0100, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 23:09 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: One has to give up on backporting new fixes to ever get any delivered. That's not true. You can continue committing fixes and running builds in Koji; just don't submit another

Re: abrt wishlist

2010-12-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:39:24 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/09/2010 07:46 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: I have trouble following what you're saying here. At what point does one need to read the whole debuginfo file? I'm referring to this:

RetraceServer security [Re: abrt wishlist]

2010-12-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 17:10:49 +0100, David Malcolm wrote: Another gratuitous me too, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Features/RetraceServer Detailed description: [...] User sends the coredump [...] Do you intend to make it default for Fedora? So far I thought it is not acceptable

Re: rawhide report: 20110219 changes - requires perl(Gtk2::

2011-02-21 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:36:05 +0100, Panu Matilainen wrote: A more likely candidate for new dependencies appearing is that rpm now collects dependencies from perl's use base qw syntax, which older versions did not. filed now as: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679014

Re: rawhide report: 20110219 changes - requires perl(Gtk2::

2011-02-21 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:22:48 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On a second thought - May-be it would be more suitable for perl to parse the *.pods, such XS-modules normally are accompanied with? As discussed in [Bug 679014] rpmbuild: Perl excessive auto-Requires

Re: rawhide report: 20110219 changes - requires perl(Gtk2::

2011-02-22 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 06:57:20 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On a more abstract level one may consider perl's META.yml-machinery to be a package dependency tracking machinery of its own, in parallel to rpm's dependency tracking machinery, with the essentially the same issues, problems and

Re: Bugs in debuginfo packages

2011-02-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:28:10 +0100, Karel Klic wrote: I have written a script which checks the completeness and correctness of the debuginfo packages. Thanks, it would be great to run it automatically like the `Broken deps' checker. Regarding the report below: it is interesting that

Re: yum debuginfo strangeness

2011-03-04 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 14:07:51 +0100, Neal Becker wrote: got removed, and a useless debuginfo replaced it. The repositories are never in sync, it was tracked by: Debug info RPMs do not require exact maching binary rpm https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=151598 with some

gcc -ffunction-sections -Wl,--gc-sections

2011-03-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
Hi, just tried -ffunction-sections -Wl,--gc-sections on F15 xulrunner and got libxul.so 24947928 - 23631640 (5.28% gain) and it still works. ld.gold --icf is a different optimization but that one requires gold. Are there some serious Bugs why Fedora is not using it? Thanks, Jan -- devel

Re: gcc -ffunction-sections -Wl,--gc-sections

2011-03-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:06:09 +0100, Adam Jackson wrote: For example, if I'm the X server, I have a bunch of symbols exported from the binary that the drivers are expected to call, but that are never called from the server itself. Does marking a function __attribute__((visibility(default)))

Re: disabling -Werror on a autotools based build

2011-03-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:22:48 +0200, gia...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to rebuild a package with an autotools based toolchain and it's failing because they use -Werror and gcc 4.6 spits out few new warnings on the code. You should fix those erors and and submit them upstream. Now, is it

Re: Bugs in debuginfo packages

2011-03-28 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:55:35 +0200, Karel Klíč wrote: I have observed GDB displaying wrong source file lines when stepping through a program several times, and I think such a check could discover some issues. Could you provide a reproducer? How it could be fixed by the package maintainer? If

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:16:45 +0200, Jeff Garzik wrote: While I don't care about accelerated X support, this hardware darned well better continue working in an it works 2D display mode. VESA or whatever is fine. VESA is not fine, ancient Free drivers are debuggable code when something

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:09:36 +0200, Matthew Garrett wrote: In any case, it's vital that VESA work given that it's the only way to bring up hardware that's newer than the install image - increasing its test coverage can only be a good thing. It does not make sense to test VESA as we cannot

Re: illegal instruction - create compile variants ?

2011-05-02 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 01 May 2011 22:31:42 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Yes, all the packages which have WORKING support for SSE etc. in Fedora do that. See e.g. https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/repository/revisions/master/entry/solid/solid/backends/shared/cpufeatures.cpp

Re: illegal instruction - create compile variants ?

2011-05-02 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 02 May 2011 17:24:53 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jan Kratochvil wrote: There is the STT_GNU_IFUNC feature implemented for it - the indirect is handled by linker without an additional indirect overhead if applied for a shared library function. For apps it works in a similar way

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-11 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:30:10 +0200, Michael Cronenworth wrote: As for the subject at hand, -I- find VB a far inferior solution when it comes to SMP and IO (disk/network) performance. With the latest VB and the SATA controller I see faster performance in the VM over bare hardware. This is

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:19:23 +0200, Jared K. Smith wrote: We were able to work through all the technical issues with the proposal, and Release Engineering has created Multi-Desktop LiveDVD images for Fedora 15. They even auto-detect whether you're on an i386 or x86_64 platform, but of course

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:16:41 +0200, John Reiser wrote: 1GB USB flash storage often can be scavenged for no monetary cost. 2GB USB flash storage more often costs real money. I got my 2GB flash for free, I do not find this 1GB-2GB difference relevant, the availability also differs according to

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:49:18 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: * It is still a new technology and only got a very limited amount of testing [1]. It was not tested during the release cycle at all but only last minute. Making it default would IMHO be to risky. It is

Re: How to remotely download a package from koji?

2011-07-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:22:53 +0200, Richard Shaw wrote: I'm trying to remotely download a package from a koji scratch build but it doesn't work. # curl -L -O http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=3192896name=BackupPC-3.2.1-1.fc14.src.rpm Scratch download links should be direct

Re: [OT] Stray Cats were added?

2011-07-17 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 09:08:20 +0200, Amit Saha wrote: 0 Stray cats were added.. Was wondering what's the background? /usr/share/doc/man-db-*/man-db-manual.* Regards, Jan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 07 May 2012 15:07:20 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: I just wrote a new Feature proposal for shipping minimal debug info by default: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MiniDebugInfo The several choices is missing the primary possibility of no debug info needed at the client side

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 07 May 2012 16:34:27 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: For bug reporting, you don't need to upload core files, if all you want is to augment backtraces with symbol info and perhaps line info, then all you can do is just upload backtraces without symbol info/line info, supply the relevant

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