Re: Java 7 for Fedora 16

2011-08-01 Thread Lars Seipel
On Monday 01 August 2011 13:49:38 Andrew Haley wrote: That's not a Java 7 change, it's a new VM bug. The real cause is that optimizations used in an older VM are enabled by default. I still think we'll have to ship 6 and 7 in parallel. As far as I know there are fixes for these bugs in

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-20 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 00:13 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: if you can give a warning you can also stop the socket this is what the user expects and if your software-design is not able to act logically it is broken Stopping the service but leaving the possibility for later socket activation is a

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-24 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:52:23 AM Jesse Keating wrote: That would require your nagios (or other monitoring) system to be running systemd, which may not be the case for quite a while :) Why? When used to access remote machines systemctl shouldn't require running systemd locally. Lars

Re: GPT in Fedora 16

2011-08-26 Thread Lars Seipel
On Friday, August 26, 2011 04:58:22 PM Al Dunsmuir wrote: On systems where 32-bit is XP is running, one by definition is running with a disk of 2 TB or less. Fedora installation must by default do the right thing. We need to agree on what that happens to be. On systems with legacy operating

Re: Will we finally get firefox 6.0.1???

2011-09-02 Thread Lars Seipel
On Friday, September 02, 2011 12:47:06 AM Joshua C. wrote: Not exactly. The source code was synced to the mirrors on August 30th, so it's more than 3 days... Like Harald said, the issue is already fixed in Fedora (since August 31th). Aside from distrusting a certain CA there were no further

updating xcb-util to 0.3.8 in rawhide?

2011-11-28 Thread Lars Seipel
Hi there, is it possible to update rawhide's xcb-util to the current version which was released earlier this year? SONAMES changed so dependent packages will need (at least) a rebuild. Apparently, when it was released there was some confusion regarding the splitting of some parts into a

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Lars Seipel
On Monday 11 October 2010 12:41:13 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is in contrast to anaconda (certainly from the live CD install) which seems to be a usability no-go area. Thoughts? Can we switch to their installer? Rich. It may be nice usability-wise but it lacks support for LVM2, LUKS

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-14 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 21:28:24 Evan Dandrea wrote: You absolutely can automate it, using the same preseeding mechanism found in debian-installer. Thanks for the info. Didn't know Debian preseeding can be used with the Ubuntu live installer as well. That boosts usability to another level

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-14 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:56:02 Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: Now we are really talking semantics. The point is that users should not be confronted with choices they don't really need to make or they don't understand. I disagree. How should a user know about some nice feature if its whole

Re: HEADS UP: KDE/Qt update intentions in Fedora 13 (RFC)

2010-10-26 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sunday 24 October 2010 20:24:30 Kalev Lember wrote: KDE is pretty much self contained, whereas a Qt upgrade affects a much larger number of packages. I don't think updating Qt to a new major version in a stable Fedora release is a good idea; it just causes too much churn. Nokia managed to

Re: [Bug 872826] f18 anaconda - no option to install bootloader to a partition

2012-12-03 Thread Lars Seipel
On Monday 03 December 2012 14:58:05 Reindl Harald wrote: that is also the reason why /boot has to start on 2048 while over decades it was not needed You really want your partitions to be nicely aligned when using SSDs or similar. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Red Hat QXL GPU Driver for Windows 7?

2013-01-08 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tuesday 08 January 2013 10:36:18 Jeffrey Ollie wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/QXLKMSSupport No, this feature has nothing to do with Windows. You can get Windows guest drivers including a RH-signed QXL driver from here:

Re: Rawhide tree now includes install images

2013-09-06 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 11:24:38AM +0200, poma wrote: You've probably missed something in the title, so the correct one should be: Rawhide tree now includes broken install images Now, if someone is doing it just to fill the tree, for the sake of formality, thanks but no thanks. Why don't you

Re: rubygem-passenger - FTBFS on f20 - need help

2013-09-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 03:29:19PM -0500, Troy Dawson wrote: With original src.rpm, i386 build [2] failed with the error error: reference to 'uint32_t' is ambiguous Well, according to the build log 'uint32_t' is in fact ambigious. It is declared once in stdint.h as typedef unsigned int

Re: rubygem-passenger - FTBFS on f20 - need help

2013-09-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:22:26PM +0200, Lars Seipel wrote: The latter apparently being in the boost namespace. I'd bet the code in question is not referring to those with their qualified names but just imports the std namespace as well as the boost namespace, leading to this conflict? Oh

Re: rubygem-passenger - FTBFS on f20 - need help

2013-09-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 03:29:19PM -0500, Troy Dawson wrote: What is a good way to track down a solution to error: reference to 'uint32_t' is ambiguous? Sorry for the multiple mails but after looking at the source I think I see the actual problem. So in e.g. ext/common/Utils/MessageIO.h we

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 11:36:42AM +, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: The kernel does not provide stable APIs. If you've ever tried to maintain a non-trivial module or patch to the kernel out-of-tree for any length of time you'll understand how much work is involved in just keeping it working. Gnome

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-04 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 11:28:21AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: The issue for RTC is that we could be using a royalty free codec, such as VP8 instead. Accepting the binary makes it more likely that h.264 will be made mandatory to implement, which means any company not wanting to implement VP8

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Lars Seipel
And the application developer suddenly gains back control on how and when his app gets delivered to users. And this is supposed to be a good thing? Looking at much much crap distro packagers had to fix in the past I really can't think of it as that. You then basically need all that container

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-04 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 03:29:02PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: That's not what it says. That just says we won't package the binary. What isn't answered is limitations on the process for Firefox downloading it in Fedora. I really doubt firefox will be totally prevented from downloading the

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-04 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 01:51:48PM -0800, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Lars Seipel lars.sei...@gmail.com wrote: And other packages wanting to play video or do WebRTC would start to do the same thing? I really can't see that happening. If at all, it probably would

Re: Can we have better ssh fingerprint collision messages?

2013-11-12 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 01:24:16PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.11.2013 13:21, schrieb Matthew Miller: Harald, I'm not seeing the behavior you see either -- if I replace a host key with another one in known_hosts, I get the correct man-in-the-middle message interesting, i can

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-05 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 10:09:43PM +0100, devzero2000 wrote: Interesting, for me almost, that many refs are from debian/ubuntu world. Well, that's the convenience of being late to the party. The majority of the work was already done by other distros and we can build upon that. In other cases

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-05 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 11:56:23PM +0100, Brendan Jones wrote: Patching is not a problem. Unnecessary is the question. Explain to me (not you in particular Rahul) how these printf's can possibly be exploited? Uhm, I just took a look at the hydrogen source. The problem with it is that it's not

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-05 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 11:56:23PM +0100, Brendan Jones wrote: Patching is not a problem. Unnecessary is the question. Explain to me (not you in particular Rahul) how these printf's can possibly be exploited? To expand on my earlier mail: the printf usage in hydrogen is definitely horribly

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 08:53:57PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: If you like the idea of always reinventing the wheel seemingly for no good reason, or just to use the latest flavored language of the day, then great. Uhm. Exactly because I don't like my stuff breaking every three weeks I choose

Re: ecryptfs alternatives

2013-12-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 05:02:47PM +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Ecryptfs seems to be more user friendly for encrypting data on btrfs than using dm-crypt on each drive. For example - you have a btrfs that uses 3 different hdd's - AFAIU you need to enter password for each hdd before mounting

Re: Plans for BTRFS in Fedora

2011-02-23 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wednesday 23 February 2011 15:07:55 Peter Jones wrote: 1) can btrfs do encrypted volumes? Not yet. Although this was a planned feature at some point, according to Josef, nobody has done it yet. If you want to stack it on top of dm-crypt there are caveats as well. From btrfs-wiki: btrfs

Re: critpath approval process seems rather broken

2011-04-11 Thread Lars Seipel
On Monday 11 April 2011 13:58:21 Tomasz Torcz wrote: So people with cellphone as only internet connectivity option will be unable unable to download fixed packages? Nope. They just have to enter their connection settings manually. Instructions were provided by their ISP, probably along with

Re: use of undeclared identifier '__ATOMIC_ACQ_REL' when building llvm-3.1 on Fedora 17

2012-09-02 Thread Lars Seipel
On Saturday 01 September 2012 15:06:40 Ilyes Gouta wrote: and this is with gcc version 4.7.0 20120507 (Red Hat 4.7.0-5) (GCC). This doesn't look like you're building with GCC. Do you have an older version of clang somewhere in your path? IIRC llvm's configure script prefers to choose clang

Re: Rawhide boot problems

2012-09-11 Thread Lars Seipel
On Monday 10 September 2012 15:14:26 Adam Williamson wrote: I don't think that's true, actually. There certainly are devs who take advantage of the model. Exactly. Think glibc as another example. Back then when the glibc people did their development work on Branched it was generally viewed as

Re: Unity For Fedora (As in OpenSUSE or Arch)

2012-01-26 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wednesday 25 January 2012 19:05:37 Manuel Escudero wrote: And also I've been told this desktop is available for ArchLinux now as well... As for this facts I was wondering how feasible is to port Unity to Fedora as well The last I heard from the Arch packaging efforts was that Unity won't be

Re: /etc/default in Fedora

2012-03-05 Thread Lars Seipel
On Monday 05 March 2012 21:20:12 Michał Piotrowski wrote: Why /etc/default dir is used instead of /etc/sysconfig? To be honest - it's not really user friendly from long time RH Linux user POV. It's what upstream uses. See http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Simple-configuration

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-14 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wednesday 14 March 2012 13:36:06 Dan Williams wrote: Whether we care enough about this regression (if you want to call it that) versus enabling default IPv6 connectivity I don't know, I tend to think we suck up the regression. Please do. The current behaviour of tearing down working IPv6

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-09 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tuesday 09 April 2013 16:02:14 Richard Hughes wrote: now for F18 are really not important at all. Spec file fixups, new versions without bugfixes, updated artwork; that can all wait until a certain point in the month. Security-critical updates are already tagged as such, aren't they? So

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-05 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 01:03:11AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: However, unless your installer image is signed, checking RPM signatures in anaconda is pointless (which is why the feature you mentioned is based on Secure Boot). If someone was going to the trouble of changing the RPM signatures,

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-26 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 09:34:32AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: I think this can be addressed by moving the metadata updates to a different function, and calling it *separately* only as needed. The Debian apt tool does this quite effectively. You can kind of simulate that by forcing yum to

Re: Fatal PCIe error 928 on KVM GPU Passthrough

2013-06-19 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:42:30PM +0200, Mario Ceresa wrote: does anybody know if it is currently possible to do GPU passthrough in kvm? You might want to ask that on the Fedora virt list[1] or on upstream libvirt's users list[2]. The chances for getting good answers should be much higher

Re: Packaging Go libraries for Fedora

2013-07-01 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 02:39:11PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Now as far as I can tell, we can just ignore the $GOPATH stuff, and instead drop files into the right places in %_libdir/golang. It works in my single, limited experiment, but I've no idea if this is the Right Thing to do.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:28:48PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: But this is a really different discussion anyway. I know some people hate auto-paging, but I am pretty sure more people learned to love it since it was introduced by git. I love auto-paging for sure. The difference between

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 02:46:27PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: I don't actually care whether there's a binary journal or not, but far more of us have real usecases for /var/log/messages, so we shouldn't give up that being available by default. If you use bash or ksh you could just replace

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 04:23:54PM -0500, Billy Crook wrote: What about a special filesystem mounted at /var/log or filesystem trickery therein that presents contents similar to what everyone expects, backed out of journalctl and its storage then? It's probably straightforward to write a FUSE

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:31:56PM -0400, Steve Clark wrote: What about scripts that use /usr/bin/logger? Do messages generated by this utility end up in the journal? Or php scripts, or programs using syslog(3). Yes, everything using standard syslog facilities ends up in the journal. --

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:37:23PM +0300, Oron Peled wrote: * We should add the local inbox to the default configuration of all MUA's that can handle it (kmail, evolution, etc.) That'd be really nice. * When Anaconda (or would it be first boot? I lost tracking...) is setting the

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

2013-07-24 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 07:35:42AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Fedora is hemorrhaging users to other distributions (and to closed-source platforms). Do we actually know that this is the case? The statistics wiki page does show a drop of total repository connections around Fedora 15 but

Re: Rawhide tree now includes install images

2013-07-25 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:41:22AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: After consulting with various teams, release engineering has re-enabled rawhide composes to create install images again. Hmm, it was disabled again? Nothing there in the last few rawhide composes (0718 was the last one with install

Re: Rawhide tree now includes install images

2013-07-25 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 03:37:34PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Hopefully fixed for tomorrow. Nice, thanks to you and Dennis. Lars -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-27 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:55:58PM +0200, drago01 wrote: Which excludes you from the type of user I was talking about. I have no data to back this up but I'd guess that the vast majority of Fedora's userbase _are_ technical users. It's certainly a noble goal to make Fedora more accesible to

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-27 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 03:30:19PM -0400, Subhendu Ghosh wrote: The app provider should fix their version of libxml The problem is: they don't. Walk up to some random Windows machine and look how many vulnerable copies of zlib (or some other popular library) you can find. Aside from maybe Google

Re: Obsoleting ConsoleKit once and for all

2013-07-28 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 01:24:55PM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: Others are not. I am pretty sure ConsoleKit is still needed by LXDM and slim as they don't support systemd-logind and by pcmamfm and thunar for handling permissions of removable devices. Slim doesn't require ConsoleKit anymore

Re: Obsoleting ConsoleKit once and for all

2013-07-30 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 04:28:55PM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: thunar and pcmanfm are file managers and require ConsoleKit for handling removable storage. Are you sure you aren't confusing this with something? HAL maybe? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: BlueZ Status in Fedora.

2013-08-15 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 08:37:19PM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: Otherwise we are looking at possibly reforking gnome-bluetooth at this point in time. Reforking? And then wait until the bitrot sets in again? ;-) Can't you just use gnome-bluetooth proper and resurrect the panel icon stuff like Kalev

Re: BlueZ Status in Fedora.

2013-08-19 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 09:48:46PM -0700, Richard Vickery wrote: Instead of shipping it, is there a problem with giving it to those on the developer list and letting us iron out the kinks? Sure, that's what already happens. If you want to help, this thread contains a multitude of pointers where

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 05:07:16PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: Also possibly correct. However, that doesn't preclude the repos as we know them today from still existing, with still the same quality. Server, desktop or embedded board, in today's Fedora it's all the same, just with a different

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

2014-02-14 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 09:01:15PM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: The fact that the package is calling home (whether or not the location of the IP is checked), is a form of tracking. Particularly since firefox updates are being handled by Fedora and there is no need for our version to be

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-16 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 08:14:01PM -0400, Christopher wrote: Perhaps shorten to: block public work home That is a much more intuitive default set. Is it? What's supposed to be the difference between work and home? Lars -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-20 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:44:58PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: We don't, actually. *Only* applications running in a session of a member of the wheel group would have that right, and those applications are pretty much root-equivalent anyway. (Many GNOME users probably use such a setup, but

When a yum update sets up an MTA ...

2014-04-20 Thread Lars Seipel
Nicely aligning with the current firewall thread I noticed that one of my machines was running the exim MTA for the last few days, dutifully listening on all interfaces. How did this happen? It turns out that smartmontools intermittently required 'MTA' which (presumably due to its nice and short

Re: When a yum update sets up an MTA ...

2014-04-20 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 06:44:53PM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: I think it's because upgrading installs a new package and uninstalls an old package. Sounds like a bug in exim. Yes, but there was no upgrade of exim. An update of smartmontools pulled it in but exim itself got installed for

Re: an that is why we need a firewall - Re: When a yum update sets up an MTA ...

2014-04-21 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 06:58:56AM -0400, Mauricio Tavares wrote: If all smartmontools need is to just send emails out, I would suggest using something like ssmtp or msmtp. /usr/sbin/sendmail is handled with alternatives and can be provided by e.g. ssmtp. Smartmontools was changed for

Re: When a yum update sets up an MTA ...

2014-04-21 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:32:10PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Exim getting installed isn't a bug but getting enabled by default is. You should file it and similar issues in other packages if any as well Filed #1089650. Thanks, Lars -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Applications not visible in the software center

2014-07-17 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 05:14:11PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: I've uploaded an interactive page at http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/screenshots/f21/failed.html Thanks for posting that list. Quoting from there: Uses obsolete X11 toolkit What are the conditions for something to be

Re: blivet-gui announcement

2014-09-05 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 11:05:29AM +0200, Vratislav Podzimek wrote: Good news, everyone! We (me and CC'd Vojtech Trefny) would like to introduce you the next generation tool for storage management -- the **blivet-gui** tool [1]_. Nice work! I really like the kickstart writing option. -- devel

Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-15 Thread Lars Seipel
So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the New Tab page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. On a pristine F21 install using Gnome, when first launching Firefox, users are presented with a number of tiles, depending on screen size. One of those is a

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05:35PM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: True, as you also have to explicitly click a tile to send data to Mozilla. Well, I don't think the act of hiding/closing an ad (by clicking on the 'x' attached to it) can be reasonably interpreted as informed consent. Yet, it is

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:02:10PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: do you right-click? So I don't expect this to be a common case, except maybe in Apple's one-button land). Apple also disables tap-to-click by default. So if it's true that users expect that to be enabled those expectations must've

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:15:33AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think they're useful, not because we're paid to do so. That's irrelevant. Paid or not, promoting websites through tiles or gnome-shell is the same form of

Re: Entire process's environment attached to bugzillas by ABRT

2014-11-30 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 01:43:39PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: How about having abrt just remove or scrub all variables that start with /^OS_/ ? I know it's nasty to have application-specific treatment of environment variables like this, but the number of applications that pass auth

Re: [Proposal] Ring-based Packaging Policies

2015-02-20 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 01:32:04PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: === Core Packages === Any package that is provided on a release-blocking medium (which at present includes Fedora Atomic, Fedora Cloud, Fedora Server, Fedora Workstation, the KDE Spin and several ARM images) must comply exactly

Re: UTF-8 locale in rpm build

2015-05-10 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 09:02:31AM +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote: Which part f C.UTF-8 is not covered by en_US.UTF-8? Let's see: % export LC_COLLATE=C % bash -c 'case b in [A-Z]) echo upper;; *) echo lower;; esac' lower Ok. Now en_US.UTF-8: % export LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8 % bash -c 'case b in

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 09:53:27AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > == Advantages to using shared libraries == > * Security/Bugs - When a bug or security vulnerability is located in > a library, it needs to be patched in only a single package in order to > fix all applications using that

Re: [INPUT REQUESTED] Fedora Policy on generated code

2015-12-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 02:13:54PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > 2) Do we require that whatever tools are necessary to generate this > code is packaged in Fedora (with all the legal and policy requirements > that this implies)? If we do not, do we require that the code used by > upstream is

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-28 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 08:56:27AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Yeah, I think the best approach would be to have all the langpacks offer a > virtual Provides: glibc-langpack and have the main package Requires: > glibc-langpack and Suggests: glibc-all-langpacks. This would force the

Re: TPMs, measured boot and remote attestation in Fedora

2016-04-23 Thread Lars Seipel
On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 02:57:55PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Garrett wrote: > > Remote attestation is a mechanism by which […] > > How does the remote machine know that what is answering is a physical TPM > and not a software emulation? Does it need to have the individual TPM's >

Re: F26 proposal: Make Fedora Media Writer the officially supported USB install media creator

2016-10-07 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 09:16:12AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > Over on Windows and macOS, there is no such thing as a non-destructive > install media creation. It warns but obliterates the entire stick. > They also don't have persistence. So I think you're on very solid > ground calling both

Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

2016-10-06 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 03:26:10PM -0700, Japheth Cleaver wrote: > I don't know what the dnf equivalent is, but isn't that precisely what the > 'needs-restarting' command provided? DNF has the tracer plugin for doing exactly that, including printing a list of commands to restart the affected

Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

2016-10-06 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 08:20:34AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2016-10-06 at 10:18 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > rpm -Uvh --nodeps --nopostun \ > > > > http://$MIRROR/updates/testing/25/x86_64/s/systemd-udev-231-8.fc25.x86_64.rpm > > Huh - that's handy, and I did not actually know

Re: F26 proposal: Make Fedora Media Writer the officially supported USB install media creator

2016-10-04 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 12:49:07PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > Based on today's blocker review meeting discussion, and this email > thread [1] I'd like to propose making only Fedora Media Writer the > *officially supported* USB installation media creation tool, starting > with Fedora 26. Writing

Re: F24 GStreamer zero day

2016-11-24 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 09:03:24AM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Thu, 2016-11-24 at 10:02 +, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > > Tracker-extract is not as exposed as Firefox, because the file needs > > being in the local filesystem for starters. The web world is well > > known for figuratively

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-14 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:26:04PM -0500, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > But we have not been. Very few applications actually have SELinux profiles, > and they are all maintained downstream rather than upstream. The volume of > erroneous SELinux denials in Bugzilla is too high, and the response

Re: Modularity and packagers [was Re: PkgDB and the ArbitraryBranching Change]

2017-08-20 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 08:50:58AM +0200, Adam Samalik wrote: > RPMs... Well, if someone has an application on their server that doesn't > run in a container, there are still RPMs on a traditional system. But would > you install multiple versions stuff on that single system? Or would other >

Re: introducing fed-install: easy way to install packages from koji and other releases

2017-08-20 Thread Lars Seipel
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:08:18PM +0200, Tomas Tomecek wrote: > I thought that somebody had to write a tool for that. To my surprise, I > haven't really found anything useful. So I wrote a simple tool to automate > installation of packages from koji and other Fedora releases. The tool is > just a

Shim update breaks booting (was: Fedora 27 compose report: 20170825.n.0 changes)

2017-08-26 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 08:24:59PM +, Fedora Branched Report wrote: > Package: shim-signed-13-0.2 > Old package: shim-signed-0.8-10 > Summary: First-stage UEFI bootloader > RPMs: shim-aa64 shim-ia32 shim-x64 > Added RPMs: shim-aa64 shim-ia32 shim-x64 > Dropped RPMs: shim >

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-29 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 03:17:53PM -0400, Kyle Marek wrote: > On 06/25/2018 02:49 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > But it's useful for unattended systems in general, be it servers or > > appliances: if a boot fails there generally should be a way to recover > > the system through rebooting

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-29 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 05:26:37PM -0400, Kyle Marek wrote: > Kernel updates are different. You *have* to reboot in order to run the > new kernel (except for security updates applied with kpatch) and a > broken kernel has the potential to simply lock up without even launching > /sbin/init, for

Re: make yum repo when we build things in koji

2018-01-21 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:53:30PM -0500, Dusty Mabe wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > > > On 01/19/2018 10:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > > > [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/yum.repos.d/koji.repo > > [koji] > > name=Koji Repo > >

Re: Should we have a release manager for each release? (or, "who owns rawhide"?)

2018-02-17 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:14:39PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2018-02-16 at 14:34 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > I wish the compose process was more transparent. May be it is just me, > > but I don't know where to start looking when I don't get the daily > > compose report. > >

Re: Frequently broken Rawhide/Branched composes

2018-03-07 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 04:47:49PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > Sorry, just to be clear, what would have its own issues: > - asking rawhide users to use distro-sync instead of update? > - automatically have dnf detect it's running in rawhide and default to > distro-sync instead of update?

Re: F35 Change: Third-party Software Mechanism (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-06-30 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:24:58PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: * We add a new page to GNOME Initial Setup that asks a single question, *along the lines of*: '''Enable Third Party Software repositories?''' ☑ Access additional software from selected third party sources. Some of this software is

Re: F35 Change proposal: Smaller Container Base Image (remove sssd-client, util-linux, shadow-utils) (Self-Contained Change)

2021-04-02 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 02:36:48PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: Unless OpenShift and RKE recently changed so that containers can run as root by default (as of yesterday, they didn't), this is solidly a bad idea, since it makes it much more unintuitive to set up secure containers conforming with the

Re: F35 Change: Debuginfod By Default (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2021-04-09 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 11:19:59AM -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: Hey, it already is there in most tools, try it. % export DEBUGINFOD_URLS=https://debuginfod.stg.fedoraproject.org/ and shortly all F32+ packages/versions/architectures will be debuggable that way. Really cool. Thanks for