Re: RPM version goes backward in Rawhide

2011-08-03 Thread Simo Sorce
, why not allow direct stable pushes (without any karma) for branched-but-unreleased versions? +1 Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-12 Thread Simo Sorce
library. If you do not want to set a require on the fedora package version, then you could check what is the highest symbol version for all symbols in the lib and require that. Unfortunately not all libraries do symbol versioning so that would not work in many cases. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-12 Thread Simo Sorce
] Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-19 Thread Simo Sorce
component that is impossible to deactivate, even better if the package containing the daemon could be removed without causing issues, so that you can be sure it will not be activated by mistake. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-23 Thread Simo Sorce
initialization. Something like that would really be welcome for systemd. Esp when a service has multiple files that need to be changed/unliked/linked at the same time. A tool like that would also show/point out if an action breaks dependencies with a verbose mode view or something. Simo. -- Simo Sorce

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-23 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 17:44 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 23.08.11 11:10, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: I am pretty sure that 95% of everybody who has ssd or CUPS installed will not use it more often than than 1/h, which is really seldom. Hence I'd make these services

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-23 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 18:14 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 23.08.11 11:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 17:44 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 23.08.11 11:10, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: I am pretty sure that 95

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-23 Thread Simo Sorce
this can be handled by changing libraries and daemons so that they timeout or handle the circular dependency differently, but claiming there are no potential additional issues in a system so complex as a modern Linux distribution is not fair. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-24 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 17:28 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com writes: ... If instead the socket is listening but not really accepting and processing requests, then yes, you can have a deadlock. So socket activation is not transparent by any means and needs to be handled

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-24 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 14:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 17:28 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com writes: ... If instead the socket is listening but not really accepting and processing requests, then yes, you can have a deadlock. So socket

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-24 Thread Simo Sorce
only start and stop the apache service. In Fedora 14/15 we do this by labeling the initrc script. Excellent! Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-24 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:10 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:06:22AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 14:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Why not? If the service is enabled but the daemon not currently running, is it so terrible

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-24 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 11:08 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com writes: On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:10 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:06:22AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: It generally is a bad idea to automatically restart a database based on a random

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-24 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 19:44 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 24.08.11 10:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: a random connection. There many reasons why you may have stopped the db (or it may have stopped itself) and requires inspection before attempting a new restart

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-24 Thread Simo Sorce
access to other servers. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Simo Sorce
by default. Users who don't have a floppy drive and want to save some boot time can blacklist the driver manually. It seem much more intelligent to add a package owners of floppies can install, so that 99.9% of the others do not have to wait forever for no reason. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 21:13 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Simo Sorce wrote: It seem much more intelligent to add a package owners of floppies can install, so that 99.9% of the others do not have to wait forever for no reason. This goes against the principle that Fedora should Just Work

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 14:55 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said: Making boot hang for long periods can easily be seen as 'Not working properly' and therefore make default floppy support 'not possible'. At least this is the reasoning I see and agree

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 15:12 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said: I said: A) 99.9% of users do not needed the floppy anymore B) I said hang for long periods and not forever, where here long is of course relative to modern machine boot times. You

Re: GIMP vs. poppler licensing, was: So you want to test an unstable GIMP...

2011-09-01 Thread Simo Sorce
, as the non '+' components prevents it. IANAL of course. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Notice of intent: patching glibc

2011-09-02 Thread Simo Sorce
between the baseline and the top of the tree ? That would give you a set of discrete patches that mirror the commits you have in the git tree. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Fedora 16 feels slow

2011-09-15 Thread Simo Sorce
used to go in thermal shutdown 2/3 times a day while compiling or yum installing. It hasn't happened so far. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Need systemd unit file help.

2011-09-26 Thread Simo Sorce
not rocket science. ... says the rocket engineer ... Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Simo Sorce
simply say 'you can't do that, all your displays have to be in the same DPI Category'. Are you saying fonts should change on the fly when I move an app between 2 monitors that have different DPIs ? Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:49 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:44 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:49 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: So, ok, now you have some belief about the DPI. But which

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Simo Sorce
different pixel densities *today* is not a good idea at all. Non sequitur. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Simo Sorce
not asking for a slider because I guess the options police would shot it down :-P /flamebait -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 16:44 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 11:35:08AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: I am sure display manager can easily grow a button to say something along the lines of: change font resolution to better fit multiple monitors. so that when someone

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Simo Sorce
will be forced to search and find the menu where he can change something to try to get a better font size and all resulting in poor experience as that menu is normally well hidden as it is a rarely used option normally. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 17:12 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 12:00:36PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: So in that case you really should just give an option to the user to easily change DPI (no need to call the option 'DPIs', it can be a slider with no mention of DPI if you

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 11:41 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 12:00:36 -0400, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: My main use case here is video projectors, and in that case there is no way on earth you'll ever know the DPI as it depends on the distance from the wall

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread Simo Sorce
with changing the password, but leave my ssh keys alone, unless there is a real reason to ask people to change them. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 10:53 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 13:45 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: I have no problem with changing the password, but leave my ssh keys alone, unless there is a real reason to ask people to change them. Reading between the lines of recent

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 13:04 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Wed, 12 Oct 2011, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 11:41 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:30:19 -0400 Jeff Layton jlay...@redhat.com wrote: I have a question not covered here: I just changed my ssh

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread Simo Sorce
in no matter what. Compound all this. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread Simo Sorce
the same way I can as well use the same keys everywhere, unless projects set up insane rules about how to handle my own keys. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread Simo Sorce
to make a difference. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread Simo Sorce
, ideally we would do more here with gpg. Sure so next time you also force me to change my gpg key and throw away years of web of trust ? No thanks! Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread Simo Sorce
laptop is stolen you MUST replace all your keys anyways because you cannot count on them not being compromised, period. So this complex scenario is just mirrors and smoke. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread Simo Sorce
that already understand? No. Seriously, no. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
-online.servce wait only for networks marked as to be enable on boot ? Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Building cpufreq modules into F16 kernel is it right or wrong?

2011-10-18 Thread Simo Sorce
suffer from thermal shutdwon due to the fact the kernel is too dumb to understand it has to trhottle when temp is too high. This didn't happen on F15 (samba hardware) so I guess we will have happy F16 users very soon :-/ Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel

Re: Building cpufreq modules into F16 kernel is it right or wrong?

2011-10-18 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 07:57 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 12:49 +0200, Vratislav Podzimek wrote: On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 22:40 +0300, alekc...@googlemail.com wrote: Frequency scaling have negative effects for me so I need to have it disabled in BIOS. What negative effects

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-19 Thread Simo Sorce
... seem glibc is not in good shape :-( Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Proposing Fedora Feature for private /tmp and /var/tmp for all systemd services in Fedora 17.

2011-11-07 Thread Simo Sorce
fill up the space (not necessarily out of malice). Not that filling /tmp is not a problem. and with /var/run baing a tmpfs perhaps not a too bid deal either, at least users are not eating into / or /var Simo. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel

Re: Proposing Fedora Feature for private /tmp and /var/tmp for all systemd services in Fedora 17.

2011-11-08 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 10:50 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Why not simply open bugs to have apps use /var/run/name ? When program A uses library B which uses library C which uses library D which creates a temporary file, we

Re: Why does git merge have so much trouble with Fedora package branches?

2011-11-09 Thread Simo Sorce
: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: Why does git merge have so much trouble with Fedora package branches?

2011-11-10 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 10:52 +0100, Fabian Deutsch wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 10.11.2011, 10:36 +0100 schrieb Vratislav Podzimek: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 18:48 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 10:29 +0800, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 21:20 -0500, Simo Sorce

Re: Why does git merge have so much trouble with Fedora package branches?

2011-11-10 Thread Simo Sorce
. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Why does git merge have so much trouble with Fedora package branches?

2011-11-10 Thread Simo Sorce
, IMHO. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Why does git merge have so much trouble with Fedora package branches?

2011-11-10 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 13:46 +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 10/11/11 13:38, Simo Sorce wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 19:07 +0800, Mathieu Bridon wrote: Yes, in case of such a fast-forward then rebasing gives the same result as merging. No, you are dead wrong here. Merging does *join

Re: Why does git merge have so much trouble with Fedora package branches?

2011-11-10 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 12:38 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:59:50AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 08:55 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 09:02:45AM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 13:27 +0100, Michael J

Re: Why does git merge have so much trouble with Fedora package?branches?

2011-11-10 Thread Simo Sorce
am available to get on a 1-1 session with to show how to successfully use rebases, which is the only thing I use. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: cgit instead of gitweb?

2010-07-30 Thread Simo Sorce
the server for it. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Simo Sorce
mean user enumeration here ? has always been the answer but you broke that from happening. Stop using nss_ldap and use sssd instead and the problem will magically go away by itself. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Simo Sorce
worry IMO. That said, on the VM I tried F14 upgrading straight from F12 all seem fine so far, although the output of systemctl is something I still need to get used to (I wonder what maintenance means referred to the status of a service) ... Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-26 Thread Simo Sorce
-networked uses that makes them less susceptible from security issues. Why should we make crippleware ? Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Simo Sorce
their computer to do work, as opposed to just try out new stuff every 2 days. Why people that love raw bleeding cutting edge can't simply use rawhide ? (Or pick the packages they like to test from there ?) Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel

Retiring or orphaning pam_smb

2010-09-07 Thread Simo Sorce
? If not, I think I will retire it. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-13 Thread Simo Sorce
team may. pre-upgrade doesn't work if boot is on raid. I don't remember other issues when you install from disk. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-04 Thread Simo Sorce
instead of 'insufficient data' then you are at fault. I never close as fixed unless I have confirmation (or I know because i tested/fixed myself). Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
compatibility either, but leave trails admins can follow to use the new stuff, please. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
and not the main credentials. We can easily provision that service key to clients via FreeIPA if the feature is used there. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 16:12 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 09:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:23 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 07:10, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
for administrator and users alike to forget all they know of the legacy sysv init stuff and approach systemd with a fresh mind and as a *new* technology Oh come on, you just use a default when it is missing (.service) and require it fully formed for the others. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39386 About time :-) Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
or need systemd. And you can use libguestfs without Fedora booted up? Does libguestfs include its own init system? This is fedora-devel. Are confusing this with gentoo-dev? Maybe you should learn what libguestfs does before making childish remarks. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
, plus we have selinux on top to enforce in a different way some of these policies. What does 2 different groups give you besides confusion ? Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:34 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 14:26, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:17 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Could we make that a default on Fedora in addition to adm? (I assume this is polkit but can't see

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
of repetitions in the logs allow big gains when compressing). Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
not something we're going to expose in the UI. Can't you just you reinstall a package without the nodocs switch/conf in place to get the docs land on disk ? Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
on, stop bashing unix, logrotate could certainly grow a size checking policy if people felt the need, unix is not holding you back, in fact you are building this stuff on a unix-like system. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 22:33 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:30:38PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: Oh come on, stop bashing unix, logrotate could certainly grow a size checking policy if people felt the need, unix is not holding you back, in fact you are building

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Simo Sorce
picked it 'because Debian'. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Simo Sorce
it really better and support time-based rotation. You don't need to make time-based rotation the default, but you'll make a lot of people happy to have the option. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: What are reasonable blockers for making journald the default logger in F19?

2012-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
as worst case) - integration with every monitoring system where it make sense - bonus points: make these integrations benefit from systemd's fancy features. Are these reasonable? Are there other important things I'm missing? The plan sounds very reasonable in general. Simo. -- Simo

Re: F18 users unable to log in due to cached nsswitch.conf

2012-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F18 users unable to log in due to cached nsswitch.conf

2012-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 11:21 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 17:17 +0200, Stef Walter wrote: In Fedora 17 and 18 we have a problem where remote users are unable to log in until the machine has been rebooted. This used to work previously. To fix this we probably need

Re: What are reasonable blockers for making journald the default logger in F19?

2012-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
enough I guess. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F18 users unable to log in due to cached nsswitch.conf

2012-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
a better solution is found. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F18 users unable to log in due to cached nsswitch.conf

2012-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
have glibc do it automatically with rate limiting. Like no more than once every 3 minutes do a stat on one of the getent calls and reload if necessary, still this would be thousands of unnecessary (vs 0 necessary) stat() calls every day, not the best solution. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc

Re: What are reasonable blockers for making journald the default logger in F19?

2012-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 20:39 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 17.10.12 12:58, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 17:45 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 17.10.12 10:44, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: 2. Mechanism for separation

Re: What are reasonable blockers for making journald the default logger in F19?

2012-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
, in the meanwhile we cannot relax security around that log IMO. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F18 users unable to log in due to cached nsswitch.conf

2012-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 14:12 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: On 10/17/2012 11:07 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: Personally I do not like the nss_init() calls, it will just make it even more difficult to diagnose 'heisenbugs' when some apps start doing it, some don't and some other do it at the wrong time

Re: F18 users unable to log in due to cached nsswitch.conf

2012-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 14:31 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: On 10/17/2012 02:26 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 14:12 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: On 10/17/2012 11:07 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: Personally I do not like the nss_init() calls, it will just make it even more difficult to diagnose

Re: What are reasonable blockers for making journald the default logger in F19?

2012-10-17 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 18:20 -0400, Andrew Schultz wrote: Simo Sorce wrote: All very nice, but the current situation is that this info *is* sent to the log. So I applaud if you want to go and fix applications, in the meanwhile we cannot relax security around that log IMO. The current

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Simo Sorce
, not related to any particular fire. It's a general perspective. There is something I like in what you say, but sound extremist. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Simo Sorce
things. I think you should push your vision forward instead, I am sure on board reducing the number of releases and silly work, and having a better development version that more people can really use. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Simo Sorce
the whole system it will regardless whether you upgrade from FN-1 to FN or doing a yum update in a rolling release. +1 however there is a difference, sometime many little changes over time can run much smoother than one big change at once where you go tfrom pkg release N-10 to N Simo. -- Simo

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-04 Thread Simo Sorce
their damn best to make sure they don't break most important stuff. (By simply not changing interfaces, ABIs, or adding compatibility libraries in the system). Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-04 Thread Simo Sorce
instability is reason number, 1, 2 and 3 of why we can't have reliable third parties with a community built OS. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sun, 2012-11-04 at 19:47 +0200, Alek Paunov wrote: On 04.11.2012 19:25, Simo Sorce wrote: note that this is also our strength in some respect because it allows the system to evolve a lot more quickly, but it also means upgrades are Indeed. simply going to break stuff, and that's

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-14 Thread Simo Sorce
is a different story ... Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Resurrecting deprecated system-config-network package for the time being

2012-11-26 Thread Simo Sorce
to rip out or otherwise disable the GUI side, and merge the -tui subpackage back into the main package. That would be nice. Thanks. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

2012-12-05 Thread Simo Sorce
up blocking upgrades for security issues, not sure how to handle that, but if you do not have a stable core you either have a single gigantic repo so all dependencies can be verified or you accept multiple rpms in the repo and the fact some deps my hold back security updates. Simo. -- Simo Sorce

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

2012-12-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 15:14 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 5 December 2012 15:07, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 16:10 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 04:06:38PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: 1) Fedora is big enough that we have

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

2012-12-05 Thread Simo Sorce
nice to be able to do this in Fedora land. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

2012-12-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 16:09 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 5 December 2012 15:56, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 15:47 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: Would that not cause a combinatoric nightmare with having to make sure you had a libX11 compiled against

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

2012-12-06 Thread Simo Sorce
own 'root' so they will not conflict ? Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

2012-12-07 Thread Simo Sorce
is a questionable stance. Your machine is full of security issues and you could be compromised and become a proxy to compromise the projects you are working on. If you choose to stay on an older machine you should at least install an OS that gets security updates for a lot longer. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red

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