Re: systemd in F15 orphaned?

2011-08-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 14:20, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 21.08.2011 22:07, schrieb Jon Ciesla: Ignoring the pace at which this discussion is approaching incivility, in what way would bleeding-edge updates to systemd address any of the above? For games, many would argue

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 13:37, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) said: On 08/22/2011 01:29 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: I'm pretty sure that we kicked this up to FESCo and they decided to treat them the same (although the latter may not have come to a

Re: How to ignore LD_LIBRARY_PATH

2011-08-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:44, Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719785 for the motivation The environment module system allows users to modify their environment in a predictable way, including setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH.  However, this

Re: systemd not in critpath

2011-08-25 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:36, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 15:43 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:13:48PM -0700, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: Neither bodhi nor

Re: Memory requirements

2011-08-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:36, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 13:33:06 -0700,  Jeremiah Summers jmiah...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Literally I did, but as Adam just pointed out running Live just dumps the squashfs image to the drive and slaps grud on it. I'm not It

Re: Oh god, my eyes (packaging a hairball of bundled PHP stuff, tt-rss)

2011-08-31 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 09:47, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 08:23:56AM -0700, Jorge Gallegos wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:46:36PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 07:52 +0200, Remi wrote: From :

Re: Oh god, my eyes (packaging a hairball of bundled PHP stuff, tt-rss)

2011-08-31 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 15:52, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: Real numbers before bald assertions please :-) Sorry I thought this was devel@lists.fedoraproject.org where fact was not needed and very much disdained :) I realized I have jumped onto the hype train of javascript

Re: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SysVtoSystemd

2011-09-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 07:46, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: the alpha was release and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SysVtoSystemd is at 0% - why will F16 released WITHOUT making the system clean which should have been done for F15 How many releases will this dirty mix

What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of pain does someone like Jonathan Corbet expect and how can we better serve them? [And

Fwd: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: smo...@gmail.com [ I'm not directly subscribed to devel, so this may not go through; if so, Stephen, can you forward it on if it seems worthwhile? ] On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:57:34 -0600 Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day

Re: Zif backport repository for F15 available for testing

2011-09-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 16:06, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Jef Spaleta wrote: Kevin, were you able to reproduce my problem with the official adobe repository? To be honest, I haven't tried it, I've

Re: F17 process change proposal

2011-09-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 21:55, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to writes: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 01:08:56 +0300,   Kalev Lember kalevlem...@gmail.com wrote: With my proposal, Branched and rawhide would have exactly the same package set during the Alpha Freeze -

Re: Looking at retiring chess

2011-09-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 06:47, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I was hoping to be able to work on a forked version of chess and have it replace chess in Fedora, but I haven't had time to learn enough about ogre to do this, and chess is broken enough now that there is no point in

Re: Zif backport repository for F15 available for testing

2011-09-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 13:43, Doug Ledford dledf...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - Wow... just wow. -jefplease hold while koji asks you a series of questions concerning multiple provider cascades to pre-populate the build environment for your rawhide scratch build that you

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 14:31, Doug Ledford dledf...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - The setup inside Red Hat cannot be (directly) copied outside at this time.  Instead the autoQA project was started to re-create it as an open source project.  That's where effort should

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 20:51, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 07:42:55PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: It may work. It may not. It may leave the system unbootable. You can't guarantee it, and you've been told that this is behaviour that you can't depend on. If

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-09-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 09:47, Doug Ledford dledf...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - Or Doug could take over grub if he is willing to fix the issues he runs into. Or he could fork grub into maggot, use that for his needs. If he is willing to support it and you are not.. that

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 05:28, Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 12:58 +0200 schrieb drago01: On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 11:34 +0200 schrieb drago01:

Re: UsrMove feature

2011-10-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 02:51, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:46, Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com wrote: 4.6. /usr/lib : Libraries for programming and packages 4.6.1. Purpose /usr/lib includes object files and libraries. ^[22] On some systems, it may

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 16 Final Release Declared GOLD!

2011-11-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 4 November 2011 13:06, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 11:55:00 -0700 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 11:53 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I am concerned with the process as executed not matching the documentation. I'd just like to

Re: why do I need colord?

2011-11-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
2011/11/7 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: Hi, Out of curiosity I wanted to ask, why do I need colord on my system? My system is ordinary web developer box with php, python, postgresql, mysql, memcached, cherokee, httpd etc. Colord was installed because of dependencies. But I would like

Re: Packaging Yorick

2011-11-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 21 November 2011 14:43, Jonathan Underwood jonathan.underw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have just started looking at packaging Yorick[1][2], an interpreted programming language for scientific simulations. It seems that this is BSD licensed and so would be suitable for packaging in Fedora.

Outage: Updates Before Freeze 2010-08-02 02:00 - 04:00 UTC

2010-08-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
There will be an outage starting at 2010-08-02 02:00 UTC, which will last approximately 2 hours. Outages will be small but noticeable for small segments as systems are updated and rebooted. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or

Rebuilding proxy01.stg.fedoraproject.org 2010-08-06 23:30 UTC

2010-08-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
The Fedora Infrastructure staging environment is in between development and production. While we usually only deploy fixes and changes via automated methods in production, and do almost everything by hand in development... staging systems can be a mix of the two. Thus the staging servers need a

Re: Fedora's ssh known hosts file

2010-08-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 14:04, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 22:23 +0200, Till Maas wrote: Yes ssh is secure if used properly. To get the proper known_hosts entry, one has to download https://admin.fedoraproject.org/ssh_known_hosts btw. I'm very glad to see

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 13:13, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2010/08/12 11:55 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: if you want to maintain s-c-d, I'm sure ajax would be more than happy to hand over ownership. Being a non-programmer I'm confident there's little likelihood I'd be

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 13:09, List Troll mrlisttr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: I still remember the epic fail of having KDE 4.0 in stable fedora * I still think the KDE 4.0.3 we shipped in F9 wasn't that

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 08:27, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Paul Howarth wrote: I use at on a regular basis, to schedule large downloads and uploads when my ADSL bandwidth becomes unmetered after midnight. And I like getting the resulting email in the morning showing that all

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 14:15, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 24.08.10 16:14, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 01:20:21PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: As stated in the bug, this would lead to a situation where you could have both a

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-25 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 19:41, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think anyone can generalize that the usage of Fedora is declining.  What we can prove, and

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
2010/8/28 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: On 08/27/2010 10:47 PM, Bob Arendt wrote: Actually I think Fedora *should* articulate who the users are, basically design and express who and what Fedora is designed for. If you poll users - people who download Fedora - and cater to their

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:03, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different than the fire hose we have now are

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:30, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:22 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote. The changes towards a distribution that attracts people who live in the moment

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 07:05, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:  On 08/31/2010 11:26 AM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Strongly free and tracking upstream is something developers would appreciate, however bug fix only updates are often contrary to what developers want and outlier users like

Re: calculus of PT_NOTE for GNU/Linux 2.6.32

2010-09-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:41, John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote: Executable program files built by gcc+glibc on Fedora 14 contain a PT_NOTE which says for GNU/Linux 2.6.32.  (For example, see file /bin/date; the presence of a NOTE is indicated by readelf --segments /bin/date, but readelf

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:45, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: you want something better than stable for KDE you can one click install the factory KDE repo. You can one click install the trunk repo too. They even have two Chromium branches available for single click install (version 6

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 22:26, Brandon Lozza bran...@pwnage.ca wrote: I can't tell people Fedora is the best if it's not carrying the latest upstream KDE, its just not possible. I'm constantly recruiting new users. I'm in regular contact with the team of people who run Techrights. ... lots

Re: x86_64 as Fedora's primary platform

2010-09-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 13:48, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: The Fedora web resources (e.g. http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora ) continue to promote i686 installs over x86_64, the result being that only a third of fedora users are on x86_64. When will the Fedora project begin

Re: x86_64 as Fedora's primary platform

2010-09-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 15:12, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 13:48, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: The Fedora web resources (e.g. http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 09:24, Brandon Lozza bran...@pwnage.ca wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: I'll refrain from replying further on until I have a reply from Richard, but you're totally wrong and your love for Firefox is blinding your

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 08:48, Paul Wouters p...@xelerance.com wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010, Dennis Gilmore wrote: It sounds like you do not fully understand how the yubikeys work. either that or i dont understand the attack you are describing? It all comes down to this being based on symmetric

Re: rawhide report: 20101019 changes

2010-10-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 19:58, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Peter Jones (pjo...@redhat.com) said: Because we haven't decided to merge those together. That's really the only reason - there's no over-arching technical reason they need to be separate. It's entirely a historical

Re: Asynchronous disk space monitoring

2010-10-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:52, Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: Somewhat OT, but not sure where else to ask.  I'm looking into an issue where the nepomuk strigi service is preventing a desktop with an NFS mounted home directory from going into hibernate.  I think this is because it

Re: Asynchronous disk space monitoring

2010-10-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:26, Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: On 10/20/2010 04:18 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:52, Orion Poplawskior...@cora.nwra.com  wrote: Somewhat OT, but not sure where else to ask.  I'm looking into an issue where the nepomuk

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 19:11, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de wrote: Interesting move: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551 Has anyone looked into bringing Wayland to Fedora? If not this might be the right time getting involved in the discussion.

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 02:43, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:43AM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/06/2010 12:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 03:16:11PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Richard W.M. Jones

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 17:36, Vaclav Mocek little@email.cz wrote: Hi all, I have read some articles about the Cold Boot Attacks and I am wondering  whether my Fedora box is protected against such kinds of attack, at least to some extent. Ok there are several different cold boot attacks.

Re: Any progress in Software Center in Fedora effort?

2012-10-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 5 October 2012 15:42, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 October 2012 16:19, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.com wrote: 1) Software Center based on PackageKit by Matthias 2) Light Software Center - a new app based on PackageKit from the beginning 3) Apper already supports

Re: Any progress in Software Center in Fedora effort?

2012-10-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 October 2012 14:39, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: [...] There needs to be web design, web application coding, processes for getting applications in and approved, servers and disk space for this. Those

Re: Any progress in Software Center in Fedora effort?

2012-10-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 October 2012 15:09, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 October 2012 14:39, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: [...] There needs to be web design, web application coding, processes for getting

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 October 2012 15:24, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 16:53, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then use something else, not the journal. The journal is supposed to be robust and do the

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 October 2012 15:50, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then use something else, not the journal. The journal is supposed to be robust

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 October 2012 16:08, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 15:41, Stephen John Smoogen (smo...@gmail.com) wrote: On 9 October 2012 15:24, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 16:53, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: If you want

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 October 2012 17:18, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 9 October 2012 15:50, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: If you want audit-like

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 October 2012 16:24, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:20:14PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: If you have strict requirements on time-based logging rotation or certain audit requirements, then something like rsyslog(?) is required in parallel

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 October 2012 20:45, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 22:33 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:30:38PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: Oh come on, stop bashing unix, logrotate could certainly grow a size checking policy if people felt the need, unix

Re: F17: Illuminated keyboard turns off with kernel 3.6.1 upgrade

2012-10-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 15 October 2012 17:48, Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote: I just upgraded my F17 kernel to 3.6.1 and when I reboot then my Logitech illuminated keyboard is not lit until I touch a key and then it goes right back off. Kind of defeats the purpose of having an illuminated keyboard. Anyone

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-10-31 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 31 October 2012 10:56, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: There's a mismatch between this practice and the theory of how we develop Fedora. When there is a mismatch from practice and theory... theory usually needs to change :).

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-10-31 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 31 October 2012 11:39, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com said: This only seems to work for teams or parts that can split their resources over doing 4 releases at one time (really old, current release, new release fixes, next

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 2 November 2012 17:36, Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2012/11/3 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com: Note that neither Red Hat nor Microsoft actually support major version upgrades for their operating systems Just take a look at this - MS rocks here

Re: F-18 Branched report: 20121031 changes

2012-11-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 5 November 2012 11:17, Tom Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/05/2012 09:21 AM, Paul Howarth wrote: On 10/31/2012 07:53 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: [perl-Hardware-Verilog-Parser] perl-Hardware-Verilog-Parser-0.13-9.fc17.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2) Really broken.

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 4 November 2012 23:57, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2012-11-04 at 12:18 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 00:36 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, 2012/11/3 Adam Williamson

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 November 2012 10:06, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/08/2012 04:37 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 04:32:29PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Or if I rephrase why could not the community continue to use Anaconda in it's form that it existed

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 November 2012 10:20, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Your problem is that you are assuming a lot of things without actually doing any legwork to find out what anaconda does. Anaconda does a lot of probing of hardware which changes when kernels change. Anaconda requires

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 November 2012 13:02, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/08/2012 07:56 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: or do you have any other installer you can point to that behaves like this? Pointing out how the installer currently works does not change my opinion on the fact that if

Re: Setting the default firewall configuration (was Re: Attention, dependency fighters)

2012-11-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 November 2012 18:46, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 20:39 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 03:24:02PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: it maybe doesn't actually need to be). So perhaps we should change firewalld to default to opening

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 13 November 2012 15:22, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 05:20:43PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:07:16PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: What makes rootfiles essential? That's just overriding the defaults from /etc/skel with

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 13 November 2012 18:38, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 08:00:23PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: [list of packages] ntpdate chrony On EC2 (as in many virt environments) the

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 14 November 2012 17:13, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Wed, 14.11.12 17:05, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:03:03 +0100 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: ...snip... I think it would make sense to focus on the intersection

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 14 November 2012 17:19, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Wed, 14.11.12 17:15, Stephen John Smoogen (smo...@gmail.com) wrote: How about a separate group for containers, since the packages and use case are very different than 'core' provides? @core-container

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

2012-12-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 5 December 2012 14:50, Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: I think this tells us more about puppet than Fedora actually. ;( I couldn't have said it better than this myself. The biggest reason people are really

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

2012-12-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 5 December 2012 15:07, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 16:10 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 04:06:38PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: 1) Fedora is big enough that we have concrete situations where one size doesn't fit all. Puppet being

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

2012-12-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 5 December 2012 15:35, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 15:14 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 5 December 2012 15:07, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 16:10 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 04:06:38PM -0500, Bill

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

2012-12-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 5 December 2012 15:56, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 15:47 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: Would that not cause a combinatoric nightmare with having to make sure you had a libX11 compiled against say X number of glibc's or other libraries that changed

Re: Removing Publican and fop from EPEL5

2012-12-11 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 11 December 2012 18:20, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Eric H. Christensen wrote: This is a good point. Unfortunately this would lead to the only option being to remove fop and Publican from EPEL5 because fop is broken... badly. If no one needs it then I'll just retire it.

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-12-19)

2012-12-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 20 December 2012 22:16, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 06:09 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/21/2012 05:54 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 05:38:17AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: I disagree. systemd simply hasn't taken libexecdir

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Package Signature Checking During Installation

2013-01-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 10 January 2013 14:17, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 17:56 +0100, Till Maas wrote: But why should anaconda not verify packages if secure boot is disabled? For the same reason Firefox doesn't automatically accept self-signed SSL

Re: comps' standard group spring cleaning?

2013-01-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 10 January 2013 15:10, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com said: Some additional ideas, and reasons why I may have left things Iin that were suggested to remove... Okay, that's a starting point. However, what is the reasoning behind

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Package Signature Checking During Installation

2013-01-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 10 January 2013 15:43, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote: Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 10 January 2013 14:17, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 17:56 +0100, Till Maas wrote: But why should anaconda not verify

Re: mediawiki package split

2013-01-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 18 January 2013 13:26, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri 18 Jan 2013 01:50:12 PM CST, Michael Cronenworth wrote: The current mediawiki package is several years old at version 1.16. A new package, named mediawiki119 at version

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 24 January 2013 10:25, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Lennart Poettering Wouldn't it make sense to test the full install? I doubt that you can install all packages without hitting conflicts. You can not. Lots of things conflict so if you try to do a 'yum

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 28 January 2013 12:27, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon 28 Jan 2013 02:17:29 PM EST, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Going away isn't the correct phrase. The UI of Fallback Mode is going to transition to a new feature called Classic Mode. It's an official feature of Gnome 3.8.

Outage Notification - 2010-02-10 17:00 UTC

2010-02-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
There will be an outage starting at 2010-02-10 17:00 UTC, which will last approximately X hours. Outages will be small but noticeble for small segments as systems are updated and rebooted. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or

Re: Name that Tree!

2010-02-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:19 PM, David bouncingc...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 February 2010 11:19, Arthur G arthurg.w...@gmail.com wrote: rolling - as in the song - rolling, rolling, rolling, rawhide! +1 giving 3 names for trees/branches: rawhide --- rolling --- release Reasons it appeals

Re: Incompatible upgrade - Is this workaround ok? (mysql-mmm)

2010-02-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:36 AM, BJ Dierkes wdier...@5dollarwhitebox.org wrote: Hello all, I maintain Multi-Master Replication Manager for MySQL in both Fedora and EPEL.  With changes from 2.0.11 - 2.1.0 there was an incompatible change in that the daemon scripts were renamed: mmmd_agent

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Thomas Janssen wrote: But that thread and the other monster thread are just wasted time since it's already decided what will happen. And those people who decided what will happen will have to live with it. Well, there

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Karel Zak wrote: It's not (only) about Linus. It's about working environment and strong focus on technical things. Please, read: http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ManagementStyle Yes,

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Jonathan Underwood jonathan.underw...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 March 2010 21:54, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: === #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-03-09) === Meeting started by nirik at

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: Good news everyone, you can probably expect to receive more positive bodhi karma for your updates in the future (or you already got unexpected much), because there is now a script called 'fedora-easy-karma'[0], that makes

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:30 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: Now, there's a reasonable argument that says that Fedora users without FAS accounts didn't vote for FESCo, so it's still legitimate to ask *those* users what they

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/10/2010 02:16 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/10/2010 06:55 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: I agree, there was obviously a divisive and destructive aspect to that meeting. Jonathan, Do you have any thoughts on what we can do

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Robyn Bergeron robyn.berge...@gmail.com wrote: That looks to be about 400 people need to randomly selected and complete the survey (for +/- 5%). to get down to 1% you would need to get 6500 people. I don't think that the near-impossibility of having a

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:34:15AM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: 1) Comments could allow for multi-line code. I tried to paste stuff in and well skipped a couple of packages from the paste :) Do you have any wish

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-11 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:51:34PM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: The biggest query command I would like at the moment is something like: fedora-easy-karma --list # lists packages to be voted on. fedora-easy-karma

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Matthew Woehlke mw_tr...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Jon Masters wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 01:09 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: Then in my opinion those users, and those maintainers who wish to cater to those users, can go start their own

Re: RFC: Bodhi voting method.

2010-03-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:09 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: So for most users, when updating to updates-testing (or something straight from bodhi/koji that has not been put in updates-testing) a 0 is the most

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Stephen John Smoogen wrote: Here is where we have a definition problem. To me, unbaked stuff is things that haven't had a good month of testing if its a large change (a couple of days if its a small one). If you

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:43 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: Neither can be done without an outside/neutral polling agency contacting and getting responses from at least 600-3000 random Fedora users. The poll

Re: RFC: Bodhi voting method.

2010-03-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 09:09:16PM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: As has been noted by several people, the current voting method has some short comings on what should be voted -1, 0, or +1. In order to help

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu wrote: Peter Hutterer wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 09:14:48PM -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote: On Sat, March 13, 2010 4:58 pm, Peter Hutterer wrote: Isn't there a mere RISK to lose 70-80% of our users if we do _not_ implement

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