Re: GNOME 3.9.91 megaupdate
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Kalev Lember kalevlem...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/02/2013 05:44 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi. GNOME 3.9.91 builds are now done and made it in right before the Alpha freeze last night. Bodhi wasn't enabled yet so they made it directly to the base F20 repo, and are available in today's F20 compose. CC-ing Tim Flink: unfortunately, latest TC3 images were spinned based on last night's compose and GNOME 3.9.91 is only in today's. Could you guys request a new TC please? We're on TC4 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: GNOME 3.9.91 megaupdate
On 6 September 2013 03:27, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: +1, I don't see why Fedora should (keep) follow(ing) the GNOME schedule as opposed to anybody else's, or simply whenever the 6 months from the previous release happen to be over. The default Fedora desktop is GNOME. Most of the Red Hat desktop employees work on GNOME It would be kinda odd to do anything else. Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: GNOME 3.9.91 megaupdate
Reindl Harald wrote: and *what* exactly makes GNOME special that Fedora releases have to follow it? frankly there are *a lot* of users who don't give a damn about GNOME at all and release Fedora with pressure because GNOME is ready and accept breakage on other components (other desktops, server-software, dore-system) because GNOME is now happy to release *is not* the way to go - period +1, I don't see why Fedora should (keep) follow(ing) the GNOME schedule as opposed to anybody else's, or simply whenever the 6 months from the previous release happen to be over. Building in a side tag and filing a megaupdate in Bodhi is what we routinely do for KDE, why is that not good enough for GNOME? Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: GNOME 3.9.91 megaupdate
On 09/02/2013 05:44 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi. GNOME 3.9.91 builds are now done and made it in right before the Alpha freeze last night. Bodhi wasn't enabled yet so they made it directly to the base F20 repo, and are available in today's F20 compose. CC-ing Tim Flink: unfortunately, latest TC3 images were spinned based on last night's compose and GNOME 3.9.91 is only in today's. Could you guys request a new TC please? Thanks, Kalev -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: GNOME 3.9.91 megaupdate
On Mon, 02 Sep, 2013 at 15:44:46 GMT, Kalev Lember wrote: There's a separate koji build target for the 3.9.91 builds and the magical invocation is 'fedpkg build --target f20-gnome'. We're also going to use the same spreadsheet system as previously, so if you want builds to be included in the megaupdate, 1) use the f20-gnome build target What about Rawhide? I though auto-inherit was turned off. --Ben -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: GNOME 3.9.91 megaupdate
- Original Message - On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:46PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: It's that time of the year again -- F20 is going into the Alpha freeze tomorrow and new builds will have to go through Bodhi for verification. The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi. Could we have avoided this conflict by scheduling better in advance? I usually try to align with GNOME when creating schedule but it's hard to get completely in sync. For F20, it was pretty much constrained by FESCo request to release in November and we are moving target sometimes. What's important is that final GNOME lands in time for final Fedora as Kalev pointed out. Even after freeze, we try to get latest GNOME bits into the compose, so it gets tested and QA is usually ok with that (doing smoke compose and getting it a bit spin). Btw. important releases are always part of [1]. Jaroslav [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/20/Schedule#Upstream_Project_Schedules -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- desktop mailing list desk...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
GNOME 3.9.91 megaupdate
Hi all, It's that time of the year again -- F20 is going into the Alpha freeze tomorrow and new builds will have to go through Bodhi for verification. The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi. There's a separate koji build target for the 3.9.91 builds and the magical invocation is 'fedpkg build --target f20-gnome'. We're also going to use the same spreadsheet system as previously, so if you want builds to be included in the megaupdate, 1) use the f20-gnome build target, and 2) list the builds in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtzJKpbiGX1zdGJzeU9waFJFZmgyQzBuN2VxU0lxbHcpli=1#gid=0 Thanks! -- Kalev -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: GNOME 3.9.91 megaupdate
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:46PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: It's that time of the year again -- F20 is going into the Alpha freeze tomorrow and new builds will have to go through Bodhi for verification. The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi. Could we have avoided this conflict by scheduling better in advance? -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: GNOME 3.9.91 megaupdate
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:46PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: It's that time of the year again -- F20 is going into the Alpha freeze tomorrow and new builds will have to go through Bodhi for verification. The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi. Could we have avoided this conflict by scheduling better in advance? Depends on when the planning has been done but given that the gnome schedule is rather predicable yes. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: GNOME 3.9.91 megaupdate
On 2 September 2013 11:37, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:46PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: It's that time of the year again -- F20 is going into the Alpha freeze tomorrow and new builds will have to go through Bodhi for verification. The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi. Could we have avoided this conflict by scheduling better in advance? Maybe. I mean this comes up every couple of releases. Either we are freezing too late or we are freezing too early. We are close to the GNOME schedule but unless we start saying, our releases are tied lock in step with GNOME and let them dictate things, I think that is as good as we get. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: GNOME 3.9.91 megaupdate
On 09/02/2013 07:37 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Could we have avoided this conflict by scheduling better in advance? We might have been able to do slightly better, because GNOME schedules are published in advance and set pretty much in stone. In the end, it's hard to plan for this though because we tend to slip often with Fedora (there has already been a two-week adjustment to F20 schedule: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1095#comment:12) What really matters is to have the final releases of Fedora and GNOME roughly in sync (by the way, thanks for everyone involved for making the shorter F20 schedule work!). It's not much of a problem if there are small scheduling issues with Alpha / Beta releases, as long as the final Fedora release doesn't come too late after a GNOME release. I think what's happening now is perfectly fine: GNOME release arrives a day or two after Fedora freeze, we package everything up quickly and if it's good, include it as a freeze exception. If it's problematic, leave it for after freeze. There's some small annoyances involved, but slipping the whole Fedora just to wait for GNOME 3.9.91 wouldn't be a worse solution, in my opinion. -- Kalev -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
