Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Florian Weimer wrote: > You dropped too much context here. Drivers which are rottenware (Panu's > term) are exactly in this category. We can only hope that upstreams > remove them, based on feedback from the larger community. The question is, how do you know whether the unmaintained driver last

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 3:31 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > The real question which every packager should ask himself is: Do I have > > the capacity (time, knowledge, hardware, etc.) to solve problems on > > non-supported architecture by upstream? > > And if the answer

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Kevin Kofler: > Florian Weimer wrote: >> I think that's only a problem if reported bugs don't get fixed. If such >> bugs are fixed, shipping everything that builds aligns well with >> building a community-tested distribution. >> >> Exceptions could be software that leads to purchases of some

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Florian Weimer wrote: > I think that's only a problem if reported bugs don't get fixed. If such > bugs are fixed, shipping everything that builds aligns well with > building a community-tested distribution. > > Exceptions could be software that leads to purchases of some kind, based > on an

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > The real question which every packager should ask himself is: Do I have > the capacity (time, knowledge, hardware, etc.) to solve problems on > non-supported architecture by upstream? > And if the answer is no - it is probably better to drop the arch instead > of

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 8/14/19 12:28 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: * Panu Matilainen: Attitudes like that is why there's rottenware in the distro that last actually worked sometime around 2011, dutifully rebuilt on each mass-rebuild and even spec cleanups taking place but the software itself crashes on startup (or is

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Panu Matilainen: > Attitudes like that is why there's rottenware in the distro that last > actually worked sometime around 2011, dutifully rebuilt on each > mass-rebuild and even spec cleanups taking place but the software > itself crashes on startup (or is otherwise entirely dysfunctional) >

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 8/14/19 10:59 AM, Andreas Tunek wrote: On Tue, 13 Aug 2019, 23:33 Kevin Kofler, > wrote: Kaleb Keithley wrote: > Building it on 32-bit in the CI is only to ensure correctness of sprintf > format strings. It's a compile-only test. And

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:29 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 14. 08. 19 8:55, Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: > > It depends on package maintainer. If upstream dropped 32-bit support, > I'd stop > > building it for that arch in Fedora. > > > > Why would package maintainer have to bear the burden of

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 08. 19 8:55, Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: It depends on package maintainer. If upstream dropped 32-bit support, I'd stop building it for that arch in Fedora. Why would package maintainer have to bear the burden of potential breakage if upstream doesn't test it? If neither of my

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Andreas Tunek
On Tue, 13 Aug 2019, 23:33 Kevin Kofler, wrote: > Kaleb Keithley wrote: > > Building it on 32-bit in the CI is only to ensure correctness of sprintf > > format strings. It's a compile-only test. > > And that is sufficient. As long as it compiles, you can package it. > Whether > upstream

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-14 Thread Frantisek Zatloukal
> > > And that is sufficient. As long as it compiles, you can package it. > Whether > upstream "supports" it or not is irrelevant. It depends on package maintainer. If upstream dropped 32-bit support, I'd stop building it for that arch in Fedora. Why would package maintainer have to bear the

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kaleb Keithley wrote: > Building it on 32-bit in the CI is only to ensure correctness of sprintf > format strings. It's a compile-only test. And that is sufficient. As long as it compiles, you can package it. Whether upstream "supports" it or not is irrelevant. Kevin Kofler

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-13 Thread Kaleb Keithley
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 6:17 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > Please feel free though to add your thoughts to the issue. > > > > [1] https://github.com/gluster/glusterfs/issues/702 > > The upstream issue actually says they want to keep building 32-bit in > their > CI, so it should compile just

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kaleb Keithley wrote: > The proposal[1] as it stands is to drop all aspects of 32-bit support, > i.e. client, server, gfapi, etc., going forward from glusterfs-8. This > should be considered advanced notice that consumers that have dependencies > need to plan accordingly. > > Please feel free

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-05 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 05. 08. 19 19:08, Kaleb Keithley wrote: Er, what about them?  AIUI, there isn't going to be a i686 Fedora  in F31 and beyond. So we keep adding ExcludeArch to more and more packages? Transitively, this will be harder and harder. Shouldn't we instead only explicitly build and select what

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-05 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 03:56:19PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 05. 08. 19 15:36, Kaleb Keithley wrote: > > There is a proposal[1] in upstream GlusterFS to drop 32-bit arches. > > > > The original proposal was to drop 32-bit with GlusterFS-7. GlusterFS-7 > > will land in Fedora 31/rawhide

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-05 Thread Kaleb Keithley
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 9:57 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 05. 08. 19 15:36, Kaleb Keithley wrote: > > There is a proposal[1] in upstream GlusterFS to drop 32-bit arches. > > > > The original proposal was to drop 32-bit with GlusterFS-7. GlusterFS-7 > will land > > in Fedora 31/rawhide soon. More

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-05 Thread Kaleb Keithley
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 11:29 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 3:44 PM Kaleb Keithley wrote: > > > > > > There is a proposal[1] in upstream GlusterFS to drop 32-bit arches. > > > > The original proposal was to drop 32-bit with GlusterFS-7. GlusterFS-7 > will land in Fedora

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 3:44 PM Kaleb Keithley wrote: > > > There is a proposal[1] in upstream GlusterFS to drop 32-bit arches. > > The original proposal was to drop 32-bit with GlusterFS-7. GlusterFS-7 will > land in Fedora 31/rawhide soon. More than likely though it will not be > official

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-05 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 05. 08. 19 15:36, Kaleb Keithley wrote: There is a proposal[1] in upstream GlusterFS to drop 32-bit arches. The original proposal was to drop 32-bit with GlusterFS-7. GlusterFS-7 will land in Fedora 31/rawhide soon. More than likely though it will not be official until GlusterFS-8, which

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches

2019-08-05 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 9:51 AM Kaleb Keithley wrote: > > > There is a proposal[1] in upstream GlusterFS to drop 32-bit arches. > > The original proposal was to drop 32-bit with GlusterFS-7. GlusterFS-7 will > land in Fedora 31/rawhide soon. More than likely though it will not be > official