Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com writes: Or maybe being on the edge isn't why we all use this distro? Yeah maybe :-) I like being as close as reasonable to the edge, but not closer. -- Dodji -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at writes: Personally, I think we should just push the new stuff into updates whenever it makes sense (i.e. not for something like KDE 3 to 4 or GNOME 2 to 3 ;-) ). Or we can encourage more people to use Rawhide proper. I know it might sound too wild for some, but it's my belief that the more people actually use it everyday, report issues or/and rant when it breaks, the more usable it will get, on the long run. Note that I am not trying to convince you :) I just wanted to point out that, as often, there can be several ways ... -- Dodji -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 03/24/2011 01:38 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 03/23/2011 08:36 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 03/23/2011 07:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jochen Schmitt wrote: If you want to get firefox4 on Fedora 14 now, the only way is to use the private firefox4 repository on Or you can simply download it direct from mozilla.org and install it in /usr/local/ Or in your home directory tree for that matter ... wont mess up any official fedora install either ... :-) I usually go a step further: create a new user and install the tarball in his home directory. There is a ff3 user here, created some time ago. Time for a ff4 user... -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:28:50AM +0200, Dodji Seketeli wrote: Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at writes: Personally, I think we should just push the new stuff into updates whenever it makes sense (i.e. not for something like KDE 3 to 4 or GNOME 2 to 3 ;-) ). Or we can encourage more people to use Rawhide proper. I know it might sound too wild for some, but it's my belief that the more people actually use it everyday, report issues or/and rant when it breaks, the more usable it will get, on the long run. As long as packages for Rawhide are not signed, any recommendation to use them on production systems is a step backwards for Fedora. Actually there should be more prominent recommendations not to use Rawhide on production systems. Regards Till pgpjtbzEDqolH.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
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On 03/28/2011 09:24 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: As long as packages for Rawhide are not signed, any recommendation to use them on production systems is a step backwards for Fedora. Actually there should be more prominent recommendations not to use Rawhide on production systems. Yah ... also rawhide, a rolling build, and a rolling release are not the same at all ... and a rolling release is more like what is being asked for I susoect. Well, if enough people are interested, they should volunteer to do it. I suspect there isn't enough interest to do that. So it isn't going to happen for now. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Henrique Junior wrote: It may sound a little off-topic to this thread, but since we are talking about bring new stuff into F14 I would like to know the opinion of you, guys, about the new openSUSE's tumbleweed [1] [2] repo, that tries to bring to openSUSE some rolling release behaviour. Maybe in the future Fedora could try something similar as an option to cases like Firefox 4 in Fedora 14. [1] - http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed [2] - http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2010-11/msg00206.html FESCo (at least some people in FESCo, Christoph Wickert in particular) wants to do something like that, a Features repo has been under discussion there for weeks. Personally, I think we should just push the new stuff into updates whenever it makes sense (i.e. not for something like KDE 3 to 4 or GNOME 2 to 3 ;-) ). Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Am Donnerstag, den 24.03.2011, 14:48 -0700 schrieb Henrique Junior: It may sound a little off-topic to this thread, but since we are talking about bring new stuff into F14 I would like to know the opinion of you, guys, about the new openSUSE's tumbleweed [1] [2] repo, that tries to bring to openSUSE some rolling release behaviour. We do have a rolling release, it's called rawhide. Regards, Christoph -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Henrique Junior wrote: It may sound a little off-topic to this thread, but since we are talking about bring new stuff into F14 I would like to know the opinion of you, guys, about the new openSUSE's tumbleweed [1] [2] repo, that tries to bring to openSUSE some rolling release behaviour. Maybe in the future Fedora could try something similar as an option to cases like Firefox 4 in Fedora 14. Some thoughts about openSUSE's particular implementation: * Right now, it doesn't have all that many packages in it: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/src/ * They do those things as a true rolling release (from the page: A rolling release upgrades smoothly between openSUSE releases), which means they assume that new stuff will always eventually become suitable to be pushed as an update, and that this will always happen before or on the next release's release date. I don't think that's true, e.g. I don't think KDE 4 would have been a suitable update for a distribution shipped with KDE 3 at ANY moment. What all those rolling release approaches miss is the (IMHO essential) distinction between welcome upgrades and disruptive breakage. Stable update approaches also miss this distinction, they assume everything is disruptive, which is the other extreme. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 03/25/2011 07:38 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 24.03.2011, 14:48 -0700 schrieb Henrique Junior: It may sound a little off-topic to this thread, but since we are talking about bring new stuff into F14 I would like to know the opinion of you, guys, about the new openSUSE's tumbleweed [1] [2] repo, that tries to bring to openSUSE some rolling release behaviour. We do have a rolling release, it's called rawhide. Regards, Christoph Thats not really true as I see it - rawhide is more of a rolling build than a rolling release. A good rolling release should be a working system with a stream of tested updates. A good example of a rolling release is the kernel release model. My impression of rawhide is quite quite different ... my perspective of course. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 03/25/2011 12:38 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 24.03.2011, 14:48 -0700 schrieb Henrique Junior: It may sound a little off-topic to this thread, but since we are talking about bring new stuff into F14 I would like to know the opinion of you, guys, about the new openSUSE's tumbleweed [1] [2] repo, that tries to bring to openSUSE some rolling release behaviour. We do have a rolling release, it's called rawhide. You are mixing up rolling release with development dump yard. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Hi. On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:16:41 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: We do have a rolling release, it's called rawhide. You are mixing up rolling release with development dump yard. I'm not yet conviced that there is a significant difference in the long term. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Am 25.03.2011 17:07, schrieb Ralf Ertzinger: Hi. On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:16:41 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: We do have a rolling release, it's called rawhide. You are mixing up rolling release with development dump yard. I'm not yet conviced that there is a significant difference in the long term. surely it is developemnt = unstable, maybe works rolling release = STABLE, should work a cool solution woul be to let firefox 3.x as shipped with F14 and additionally provide firefox4 with target under /opt/ since firefox can be started with different profiles this time i have the problem taht FF4 is buggy (with our own cms) and in the backrgound i try to build a firefox4-package based on the remi-srpms with target /opt to get both running without change my whole browser and get lost most extensions and themes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 03/24/2011 03:16 AM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: At first, you mean 'Fedora was know for offering the ' But during the the update policy I think we will never see firefox-4.0 as an official Fedora 14 package. Firefox 4 wouldn't have been pushed as an update regardless of the policy. It is too disruptive and requires a rebuild of so many packages. A parallel installable package is fine Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Am 25.03.2011 17:12, schrieb Reindl Harald: and in the backrgound i try to build a firefox4-package based on the remi-srpms with target /opt to get both running without change my whole browser and get lost most extensions and themes what fails and i could spit mozilla in the face because they are still ignoring x86_64, guys we are living in 2011 :-( signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 03/25/2011 05:07 PM, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: Hi. On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:16:41 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: We do have a rolling release, it's called rawhide. You are mixing up rolling release with development dump yard. I'm not yet conviced that there is a significant difference in the long term. rawhide just receives what ever people throw into into the bin, no matter how broken it might be and how low the quality might be. A rolling release would have a QA or release managment which would check packages which go into the bin. Admitted, provided how Fedora and rawhide currently works the difference is effectively null. Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Am 25.03.2011 18:32, schrieb Genes MailLists: On 03/25/2011 12:21 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: what fails and i could spit mozilla in the face because they are still ignoring x86_64, guys we are living in 2011 :-( mozilla definitely puts out 64 bit firefox-4 and thunderbird starting swith 3.3 series as well. fedora builds likewise ... so not sure what you are referring to. http://www.mozilla.com/de/firefox/ [harry@srv-rhsoft:/downloads/firefox]$ ./firefox /downloads/firefox/run-mozilla.sh: /downloads/firefox/firefox-bin: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF does this look like x86_64? no it does not! maybe there is somewhere deep inside mozilla.org any x86_64 but they stopped long ago download-links for other versions as the website is guessing and since TB 3.1 and the crap of mail-settings-guessing since over a year mozilla does the same shit as apple - try to make everything idiot-prrof by hiding everything from the users and hope some guessing is enough signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Am 25.03.2011 21:39, schrieb Felix Miata: What do you suppose http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/4.0/linux-x86_64/de/ contains? mozilla.org predates mozilla.com many years. The former (via an alias) is the only place I look for Mozilla product downloads. that they do not offer a 32bit linux-version on the main-page? that they break not such basic things like input type=image src=save.gif action=Save / input type=image src=cancel.gif action=Cancel / in firefox4 where also in TB 3.1 braindead optical changes seems to be important and quality managment was on holiday and that is why NEVER a mozilla-major upgrade should be pushed in a stable fedora-release nor a beat/rc like Thunderbird 3.1 fpr a new fedora-release signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
2011/3/24 Pete Zaitcev zait...@redhat.com: On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:36:33 -0400 Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 03/23/2011 07:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jochen Schmitt wrote: If you want to get firefox4 on Fedora 14 now, the only way is to use the private firefox4 repository on Or you can simply download it direct from mozilla.org and install it in /usr/local/ Mozilla's own build is garbage: Input Method does not work, fonts all screwed up. Spot's is much better and is actually usable. -- Pete -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel +1. I'm also using the Spot's build and don't see any setbacks. The GUI isn't that different compared to the firefox-3.6.15. I hope this hits the official repo one day. --jason -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 10:33:31 AM Wednesday, March 23, 2011 Nathaniel McCallum wrote: On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 16:41 -0500, Adam Miller wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:35:55PM +0100, Joshua C. wrote: Hi, fedora is known for offering the latest and greates software and being on the edge etc. So I was just wondering if the latest f14 will ever get the latest firefox 4.0? Recompilation of the packages from f15 is not such a good option. --jason While we are known for latest and greatest, I'm not 100% sure the jump from Firefox 3.x to Firefox 4.x is within the most recent Updates Policy[0] because of the drastic changes between the two releases and the amount of user visible change that would result. I am also not the maintainer of Firefox so can't really speak to this in any form of authority but wanted to reply mainly for this next tid bit with many thanks to Spot, there is currently a fully functional Firefox 4 repository for Fedora 14, more information and instructions here: There are packages in the critical path which depend on xulrunner. Firefox 4's xulrunner is neither ABI nor API compatible with earlier versions. I can't help but think that such an update would be unwise. Also pushing xulrunner 2.0 into F-14 will totally break Eclipse and every SWT based application (e.g. Azureus). Whoever wishes to push it to F-14 should either fix SWT to run with xulrunner 2.0 on F-14 or break pretty big number of packages/applicatons. Nathaniel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 03/24/2011 04:36 AM, Pete Zaitcev wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:36:33 -0400 Genes MailListsli...@sapience.com wrote: On 03/23/2011 07:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jochen Schmitt wrote: If you want to get firefox4 on Fedora 14 now, the only way is to use the private firefox4 repository on Or you can simply download it direct from mozilla.org and install it in /usr/local/ Mozilla's own build is garbage: Input Method does not work, fonts all screwed up. Spot's is much better and is actually usable. I'm not sure how to detect if the Input Method is working but I've been using the nightly builds for some time now in /opt/firefox and things look perfectly fine here. Regards, Dennis -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Genes MailLists wrote: Or you can simply download it direct from mozilla.org and install it in /usr/local/ I don't think bypassing package management is something we want to recommend. Not only is stuff installed that way not built according to Fedora guidelines, which leads to issues like the ones Pete Zaitcev pointed out, but it is also hard to uninstall without leaving residual files, which also implies that upgrades sometimes leave old versions of the files sitting around. Sometimes you have no other choice, e.g. for SAGE (http://sagemath.org) which is still not packaged anywhere (because it's a royal PITA to package), but generally, installing software from tarballs is a bad idea. Whenever an RPM exists, using that RPM is almost always the better plan. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
http://rpms.famillecollet.com/ http://rpms.famillecollet.com/fedora/14/remi/i386/repoview/ http://rpms.famillecollet.com/fedora/14/remi/x86_64/repoview/ Never install any software without a RPM if there is no really good reason and firfox 4 is available is really no reason even if that would mean update to Fedora 14 and wait the time to the release Am 24.03.2011 18:39, schrieb Kevin Kofler: Genes MailLists wrote: Or you can simply download it direct from mozilla.org and install it in /usr/local/ I don't think bypassing package management is something we want to recommend. Not only is stuff installed that way not built according to Fedora guidelines, which leads to issues like the ones Pete Zaitcev pointed out, but it is also hard to uninstall without leaving residual files, which also implies that upgrades sometimes leave old versions of the files sitting around. Sometimes you have no other choice, e.g. for SAGE (http://sagemath.org) which is still not packaged anywhere (because it's a royal PITA to package), but generally, installing software from tarballs is a bad idea. Whenever an RPM exists, using that RPM is almost always the better plan. Kevin Kofler -- Mit besten Grüßen, Reindl Harald the lounge interactive design GmbH A-1060 Vienna, Hofmühlgasse 17 CTO / software-development / cms-solutions p: +43 (1) 595 3999 33, m: +43 (676) 40 221 40 icq: 154546673, http://www.thelounge.net/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 18:39 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: but it is also hard to uninstall without leaving residual files, which also implies that upgrades sometimes leave old versions of the files sitting around. In the particular case of Firefox, this isn't a problem, as it just gives you one giant static executable...so it's very easy to 'uninstall'. :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Adam Williamson wrote: In the particular case of Firefox, this isn't a problem, as it just gives you one giant static executable...so it's very easy to 'uninstall'. :) Did they really manage to stuff even the resources into the binary? Wow, very un-unixy! ;-) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: In the particular case of Firefox, this isn't a problem, as it just gives you one giant static executable...so it's very easy to 'uninstall'. :) Did they really manage to stuff even the resources into the binary? Wow, very un-unixy! ;-) They didn't do that ... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
drago01 wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: In the particular case of Firefox, this isn't a problem, as it just gives you one giant static executable...so it's very easy to 'uninstall'. :) Did they really manage to stuff even the resources into the binary? Wow, very un-unixy! ;-) They didn't do that ... So it's not one big file… Scattered resource files are exactly what's most likely to stick around as garbage after uninstalling or upgrading in the absence of package management. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
2011/3/24 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at: drago01 wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: In the particular case of Firefox, this isn't a problem, as it just gives you one giant static executable...so it's very easy to 'uninstall'. :) Did they really manage to stuff even the resources into the binary? Wow, very un-unixy! ;-) They didn't do that ... So it's not one big file… Scattered resource files are exactly what's most likely to stick around as garbage after uninstalling or upgrading in the absence of package management. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel I think this discussion goes in the wrong direction. Firefox 4 is (for me) a working browser that I want to use. Without a proper rpm the tarball is the only solution left. Spot's solution circumvents the xulrunner nightmare and Remi's idea is what I think should go in the official repo. Or maybe being on the edge isn't why we all use this distro? --jason -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: I think this discussion goes in the wrong direction. Firefox 4 is (for me) a working browser that I want to use. Without a proper rpm the tarball is the only solution left. Spot's solution circumvents the xulrunner nightmare and Remi's idea is what I think should go in the official repo. Or maybe being on the edge isn't why we all use this distro? But you're not on the edge. The edge is rawhide, where FF4 is already the default. Or one step back from the edge is F15, where FF4 is the default. F14 isn't the edge and hasn't been for a while. Fedora could use more people living on the edge. Maybe upgrading to F15 is a possibility for you? josh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 24.03.2011 19:23, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: In the particular case of Firefox, this isn't a problem, as it just gives you one giant static executable...so it's very easy to 'uninstall'. :) Did they really manage to stuff even the resources into the binary? Wow, very un-unixy! ;-) It's not a single binary, but it's a single self-contained directory. Kai -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 24.03.2011 19:23, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: In the particular case of Firefox, this isn't a problem, as it just gives you one giant static executable...so it's very easy to 'uninstall'. :) Did they really manage to stuff even the resources into the binary? Wow, very un-unixy! ;-) --- It may sound a little off-topic to this thread, but since we are talking about bring new stuff into F14 I would like to know the opinion of you, guys, about the new openSUSE's tumbleweed [1] [2] repo, that tries to bring to openSUSE some rolling release behaviour. Maybe in the future Fedora could try something similar as an option to cases like Firefox 4 in Fedora 14. [1] - http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed [2] - http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2010-11/msg00206.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 03/24/2011 07:31 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: drago01 wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: In the particular case of Firefox, this isn't a problem, as it just gives you one giant static executable...so it's very easy to 'uninstall'. :) Did they really manage to stuff even the resources into the binary? Wow, very un-unixy! ;-) They didn't do that ... So it's not one big file… Scattered resource files are exactly what's most likely to stick around as garbage after uninstalling or upgrading in the absence of package management. It's one self contained directory which makes its handling fairly easy. I unpacked the nightly tarball to /opt/firefox and run it from there. To get rid of it just delete the directory and you're done. So why RPMs are generally preferable in this particular case the manual approach is quite manageable. Regards, Dennis -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:35:55PM +0100, Joshua C. wrote: Hi, fedora is known for offering the latest and greates software and being on the edge etc. So I was just wondering if the latest f14 will ever get the latest firefox 4.0? Recompilation of the packages from f15 is not such a good option. --jason While we are known for latest and greatest, I'm not 100% sure the jump from Firefox 3.x to Firefox 4.x is within the most recent Updates Policy[0] because of the drastic changes between the two releases and the amount of user visible change that would result. I am also not the maintainer of Firefox so can't really speak to this in any form of authority but wanted to reply mainly for this next tid bit with many thanks to Spot, there is currently a fully functional Firefox 4 repository for Fedora 14, more information and instructions here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Firefox_4 -AdamM [0] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_update_acceptance_criteria -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 23.03.2011 22:35, schrieb Joshua C.: fedora is known for offering the latest and greates software and being on the edge etc. So I was just wondering if the latest f14 will ever get the latest firefox 4.0? At first, you mean 'Fedora was know for offering the ' But during the the update policy I think we will never see firefox-4.0 as an official Fedora 14 package. Perhaps, we have luck and get a so-called 'Feature Repository'. If you want to get firefox4 on Fedora 14 now, the only way is to use the private firefox4 repository on http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/firefox4 For KDE-4.6 we have the same situation. In this case you can get it from the http://apt.kde-redhat.com which is maintained by Rex Dieter. Best Regards: Jochen Schmitt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iJwEAQECAAYFAk2KahYACgkQZLAIBz9lVu9rnQP/UUvMXj5zHi5WFNpczfGkXM0z 2sIiTKqUI02xu0efua7fa0iK0ghzIVIqqDJpf5UbdP9l0RIWqJvo6B6Icuxrta5b j5O+IuQaCfc4G27B2CCmDLcBzBWcQbcAMG7vNXJgOM78LnGNcHIFhzxt4MA9W9us rp0CGAa5XrYgNv31NHE= =bcDa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 16:41 -0500, Adam Miller wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:35:55PM +0100, Joshua C. wrote: Hi, fedora is known for offering the latest and greates software and being on the edge etc. So I was just wondering if the latest f14 will ever get the latest firefox 4.0? Recompilation of the packages from f15 is not such a good option. --jason While we are known for latest and greatest, I'm not 100% sure the jump from Firefox 3.x to Firefox 4.x is within the most recent Updates Policy[0] because of the drastic changes between the two releases and the amount of user visible change that would result. I am also not the maintainer of Firefox so can't really speak to this in any form of authority but wanted to reply mainly for this next tid bit with many thanks to Spot, there is currently a fully functional Firefox 4 repository for Fedora 14, more information and instructions here: There are packages in the critical path which depend on xulrunner. Firefox 4's xulrunner is neither ABI nor API compatible with earlier versions. I can't help but think that such an update would be unwise. Nathaniel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
2011/3/23 Nathaniel McCallum nathan...@natemccallum.com: On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 16:41 -0500, Adam Miller wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:35:55PM +0100, Joshua C. wrote: Hi, fedora is known for offering the latest and greates software and being on the edge etc. So I was just wondering if the latest f14 will ever get the latest firefox 4.0? Recompilation of the packages from f15 is not such a good option. --jason While we are known for latest and greatest, I'm not 100% sure the jump from Firefox 3.x to Firefox 4.x is within the most recent Updates Policy[0] because of the drastic changes between the two releases and the amount of user visible change that would result. I am also not the maintainer of Firefox so can't really speak to this in any form of authority but wanted to reply mainly for this next tid bit with many thanks to Spot, there is currently a fully functional Firefox 4 repository for Fedora 14, more information and instructions here: There are packages in the critical path which depend on xulrunner. Firefox 4's xulrunner is neither ABI nor API compatible with earlier versions. I can't help but think that such an update would be unwise. Nathaniel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel I know this can be problematic but I like the spot's repo for giving us the chance to try this release. Maybe those feature repos should be incorporated somehow in the official repos? --joshua -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
2011/3/23 Jochen Schmitt joc...@herr-schmitt.de: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 23.03.2011 22:35, schrieb Joshua C.: fedora is known for offering the latest and greates software and being on the edge etc. So I was just wondering if the latest f14 will ever get the latest firefox 4.0? At first, you mean 'Fedora was know for offering the ' But during the the update policy I think we will never see firefox-4.0 as an official Fedora 14 package. Perhaps, we have luck and get a so-called 'Feature Repository'. If you want to get firefox4 on Fedora 14 now, the only way is to use the private firefox4 repository on http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/firefox4 For KDE-4.6 we have the same situation. In this case you can get it from the http://apt.kde-redhat.com which is maintained by Rex Dieter. Best Regards: Jochen Schmitt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iJwEAQECAAYFAk2KahYACgkQZLAIBz9lVu9rnQP/UUvMXj5zHi5WFNpczfGkXM0z 2sIiTKqUI02xu0efua7fa0iK0ghzIVIqqDJpf5UbdP9l0RIWqJvo6B6Icuxrta5b j5O+IuQaCfc4G27B2CCmDLcBzBWcQbcAMG7vNXJgOM78LnGNcHIFhzxt4MA9W9us rp0CGAa5XrYgNv31NHE= =bcDa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Thanks for the links. The second one is dead, though. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On Wednesday 23 March 2011 21:46:07 Jochen Schmitt wrote: For KDE-4.6 we have the same situation. In this case you can get it from the http://apt.kde-redhat.com which is maintained by Rex Dieter. It is .org not .com The url is http://apt.kde-redhat.org -- José Abílio -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
Am Mittwoch, den 23.03.2011, 22:46 +0100 schrieb Jochen Schmitt: Perhaps, we have luck and get a so-called 'Feature Repository'. I'm working on that... If you want to get firefox4 on Fedora 14 now, the only way is to use the private firefox4 repository on http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/firefox4 For KDE-4.6 we have the same situation. Not quite, KDE 4.6 will hit F14 soon: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/571 Regards, Christoph -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 03/23/2011 07:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jochen Schmitt wrote: If you want to get firefox4 on Fedora 14 now, the only way is to use the private firefox4 repository on Or you can simply download it direct from mozilla.org and install it in /usr/local/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On 03/23/2011 08:36 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 03/23/2011 07:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jochen Schmitt wrote: If you want to get firefox4 on Fedora 14 now, the only way is to use the private firefox4 repository on Or you can simply download it direct from mozilla.org and install it in /usr/local/ Or in your home directory tree for that matter ... wont mess up any official fedora install either ... :-) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for f14?
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:36:33 -0400 Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 03/23/2011 07:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jochen Schmitt wrote: If you want to get firefox4 on Fedora 14 now, the only way is to use the private firefox4 repository on Or you can simply download it direct from mozilla.org and install it in /usr/local/ Mozilla's own build is garbage: Input Method does not work, fonts all screwed up. Spot's is much better and is actually usable. -- Pete -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
