Re: Font rendering and blurry fonts
On 10 August 2017 at 17:36, Jan Synacek wrote: > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:39:30AM +0200, Jan Synacek wrote: >>> > Bug 1469712 - font antialiasing/hinting is not working on Fedora 26 >>> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1469712 >>> Cheers, the solution from #1470509 did the trick. I'm quite puzzled as >>> to why people prefer looking at the blurred fonts, though. >> >> I don't prefer blurred fonts, but I prefer more-correct letter forms >> and nicer overall appearance of the page. > > Yes, I agree, but that's not what I see on my screen. Even if what I > see is "more correct" by some measure, it's still blurry and hurting > my eyesight. On the other hand, I totally understand that on some > people's displays the result might actually look better. Also, my eyes > are quite picky when it comes to staring at stuff for long periods of > time. > Tangentially to this discussion, I find a lot (most) of the new fonts (e.g. web fonts, which are really a huge variety, just look at fonts.google.com) just look awful on PC screen; so on my PC, they do look very nice shape-wise but the blurry/jagged edges do nag at me too much be usable. That's why I stick to the DejaVu Sans and Ubuntu font families. But then using those "new" fonts on my Android smartphone, they look great/awesome. The difference is that my desktop has a 24 inch monitor, 1920x1080 with 96-101 dpi, whereas my phone has a ~4.5/5 inch screen with 720x1280 and ~294 dpi. So the secret lies with the dpi, the higher the dpi the better those "new" fonts - which do not have hinting done by hand (by the font artists/devs) like the old font families (e.g. DejaVu Sans) had - will look. So I enjoy many more fonts on my 5 inch phone than I do on my 24 inch monitor :/ I think the solution to the problem will come when Hidpi monitors become more affordable, i.e. a 24/27/28 inch mointor that packs a 4K resolution. (Hopefully that will happen before most of us are too old to see clearly at all). -- Ahmad Samir ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Font rendering and blurry fonts
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:39:30AM +0200, Jan Synacek wrote: >> > Bug 1469712 - font antialiasing/hinting is not working on Fedora 26 >> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1469712 >> Cheers, the solution from #1470509 did the trick. I'm quite puzzled as >> to why people prefer looking at the blurred fonts, though. > > I don't prefer blurred fonts, but I prefer more-correct letter forms > and nicer overall appearance of the page. Yes, I agree, but that's not what I see on my screen. Even if what I see is "more correct" by some measure, it's still blurry and hurting my eyesight. On the other hand, I totally understand that on some people's displays the result might actually look better. Also, my eyes are quite picky when it comes to staring at stuff for long periods of time. -- Jan Synacek Software Engineer, Red Hat ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Font rendering and blurry fonts
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:39:30AM +0200, Jan Synacek wrote: > > Bug 1469712 - font antialiasing/hinting is not working on Fedora 26 > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1469712 > Cheers, the solution from #1470509 did the trick. I'm quite puzzled as > to why people prefer looking at the blurred fonts, though. I don't prefer blurred fonts, but I prefer more-correct letter forms and nicer overall appearance of the page. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Font rendering and blurry fonts
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 09:25:41AM +0200, Jan Synacek wrote: >> Hi, >> >> something changed between F24 and F26 (even F25) regarding font >> rendering and I can't figure out what it is. On F24, fonts were crispy >> clear with full hinting and antialiasing. On F25+, fonts are quite >> blurry even with the same hinting and antialiasing settings. I'm using >> XFCE and didn't change any settings. I didn't upgrade, but reinstalled >> F26. I would like to fix this because it's killing my eyes. Any idea >> what has changed or what to install/remove/reconfigure to bring the >> old rendering back? > > See bugs like > > Bug 1470509 - freetype/harfbuzz fc25->fc26 turns to ugly rendering > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1470509 > > Bug 1469712 - font antialiasing/hinting is not working on Fedora 26 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1469712 Cheers, the solution from #1470509 did the trick. I'm quite puzzled as to why people prefer looking at the blurred fonts, though. Thanks again, -- Jan Synacek Software Engineer, Red Hat ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Font rendering and blurry fonts
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 09:25:41AM +0200, Jan Synacek wrote: > Hi, > > something changed between F24 and F26 (even F25) regarding font > rendering and I can't figure out what it is. On F24, fonts were crispy > clear with full hinting and antialiasing. On F25+, fonts are quite > blurry even with the same hinting and antialiasing settings. I'm using > XFCE and didn't change any settings. I didn't upgrade, but reinstalled > F26. I would like to fix this because it's killing my eyes. Any idea > what has changed or what to install/remove/reconfigure to bring the > old rendering back? See bugs like Bug 1470509 - freetype/harfbuzz fc25->fc26 turns to ugly rendering https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1470509 Bug 1469712 - font antialiasing/hinting is not working on Fedora 26 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1469712 -- Tomasz Torcz ,,(...) today's high-end is tomorrow's embedded processor.'' xmpp: zdzich...@chrome.pl -- Mitchell Blank on LKML ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Font rendering and blurry fonts
Hi Jan, Jan Synacek wrote: something changed between F24 and F26 (even F25) regarding font rendering and I can't figure out what it is. On F24, fonts were crispy clear with full hinting and antialiasing. On F25+, fonts are quite blurry even with the same hinting and antialiasing settings. I'm using XFCE and didn't change any settings. I didn't upgrade, but reinstalled F26. I would like to fix this because it's killing my eyes. Any idea what has changed or what to install/remove/reconfigure to bring the old rendering back? There was a similar thread on the users list a few weeks ago: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/us...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/3ADWVN5FVYH2Z5KGW4VXKWVEC2K7DCCK/#JSMS2SZQDC7TT76VQYSYKKEMDPDJU7QB Maybe the effects of the freetype v40 truetype interpreter is what you're seeing and forcing the v35 interpreter as mentioned will help? -- Todd ~~ This government never furthered any enterprise but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way. -- Henry David Thoreau in his essay, "Civil Disobedience" signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
