Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 11:23 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Tomas Mraz wrote: solve a part of the problem how can you even consider removing the ability for disabling dnssec when implementing and deploying and running dnssec increases the complexity times hundred and

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 12:37 +0200, Adam Tkac wrote: On 09/20/2011 05:19 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 14:00 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: Hi developers of NM and Fedora, We are trying to get DNSSEC validation on the end nodes. One way of doing that is to run a caching

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Dan Williams wrote: But I'm not really familiar with unbound. Is it a long-running service? Yes, It's a fully dnssec validating caching resolver. You start it at boot and leave it running. What does its config file look like? Does it re-read config data on SIGHUP? You

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
snip If people are testing this it would be good if they could test the unit files for this too on F15+ hosts. Afaik I have already converted the whole xelerance.com stuff and it's just laying there in bugzilla. Create the relevant files in there relevant paths then run... systemctl

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 14:26 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Dan Williams wrote: But I'm not really familiar with unbound. Is it a long-running service? Yes, It's a fully dnssec validating caching resolver. You start it at boot and leave it running. What does its

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:27:41AM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: right. the big problem is not working around a broken network or a network with an attacker. The problem is false positives due to the pletora of hotspot mangling techniques out there. Ideally, NetworkManager would deal with

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Dan Williams wrote: You properly talk to it via unbound-control, which uses SSL certs between it and the daemon. No need to re-write config files or send it weirdo signals. Ok, this part mystifies me. I assume it just has a TCP socket listening that you talk to it on?

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 22:29 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:27:41AM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: right. the big problem is not working around a broken network or a network with an attacker. The problem is false positives due to the pletora of hotspot mangling

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-21 Thread Adam Tkac
On 09/17/2011 08:00 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: Hi developers of NM and Fedora, We are trying to get DNSSEC validation on the end nodes. One way of doing that is to run a caching resolver on every host, but that strains the DNS infrastructure because all DNS caches would be circumvented. Since

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-21 Thread Adam Tkac
On 09/20/2011 05:19 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 14:00 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: Hi developers of NM and Fedora, We are trying to get DNSSEC validation on the end nodes. One way of doing that is to run a caching resolver on every host, but that strains the DNS

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-21 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 12:45 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 09/21/2011 10:21 AM, Adam Tkac wrote: Another argument for enforcing DNSSEC is that in future (well, I believe :) ) DNS will be used as storage for X.509 certs, SSHFP records and other stuff. If we adopt leisure approach

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-21 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/21/2011 01:00 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote: You probably did not understand the meaning of removing the ability for disabling dnssec in the Adam's e-mail. It is not meant to disable the ability to not use of dnssec completely but that it should not be possible to simply click away any failures

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-21 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Adam Tkac wrote: this is a great idea and work. We talked (inside Red Hat) about similar approach how to secure the clients but this proposal is better, ready for use, and I like it. Great. Please test and give us feedback :) The only one question for discussion is if

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-21 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Tomas Mraz wrote: solve a part of the problem how can you even consider removing the ability for disabling dnssec when implementing and deploying and running dnssec increases the complexity times hundred and people and isp's alike cant even implement and properly run a

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 17 septembre 2011 à 14:00 -0400, Paul Wouters a écrit : Hi developers of NM and Fedora, We are trying to get DNSSEC validation on the end nodes. One way of doing that is to run a caching resolver on every host, but that strains the DNS infrastructure because all DNS caches would be

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-18 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: We are trying to get DNSSEC validation on the end nodes. One way of doing that is to run a caching resolver on every host, but that strains the DNS infrastructure because all DNS caches would be circumvented. However, there are many networks out

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-18 Thread Jos Vos
Hi Paul, (off-list) On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 02:00:04PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: dnssec-trigger consists of NetworkManager hooks, a daemon that rewrites resolv.conf and signals unbound, and a gnome applet to show the user the DNSSEC status and to warn the user if the network is (too?)

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-18 Thread Jos Vos
Hi all, Sorry for my previous message to this list. It was intended as a personal message (in Dutch) to Paul, hence the off-list remark at the top, but I made a stupid mistake... Cheers, -- --Jos Vos j...@xos.nl --X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 --

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-17 Thread Carl Byington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 14:00 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: You can find source and package pre-releases at: ftp://ftp.xelerance.com/dnssec-trigger/ At least for Fedora 15: BuildRequires: glib-devel, gtk2-devel, ldns-devel and in %install mkdir -p