Re: Media key support in F32 / Gnome / systemd
On Mon, 2020-08-17 at 11:00 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 8/17/20 2:54 AM, Benjamin Berg wrote: > > Note that you can also change the power button action in gnome- > > control- > > center, power, "Suspend & Power Button", "Power Button Action". > > This wasn't the power button though. It's the suspend/sleep button. Ah, sorry, I misread that! In that case, the relevant upstream bug is https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/-/issues/537 but it is not clear to me how to move forward there. It really is a pretty bad usability situation when people start to glue coins on top of keys … Benjamin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Media key support in F32 / Gnome / systemd
On 8/17/20 2:54 AM, Benjamin Berg wrote: Note that you can also change the power button action in gnome-control- center, power, "Suspend & Power Button", "Power Button Action". This wasn't the power button though. It's the suspend/sleep button. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Media key support in F32 / Gnome / systemd
Hi, On Sat, 2020-08-08 at 14:30 -0400, Christopher wrote: > 1. There is no GUI to change the setting. > 2. The logind.conf settings have no effect on the media keys. > 3. The key is XF86Sleep (and not XF86Suspend). > 4. The key is assigned to the 'suspend-static' behavior in > dconf-editor / gsettings > 5. Changing the assignment in dconf-editor / gsettings requires > logging out and back in to take effect That is odd, the setting should really be instant apply. Could you report an upstream bug against gnome-settings-daemon if you are able to reproduce it? Though, maybe this was just the confusion that the key needs to be explicitly removed? > And most importantly, > 6. It is *not* enough to assign the XF86Sleep button to another action > in the keyboard shortcuts. You have to *also* remove it from the > 'suspend-static' action, or it will suspend the computer instead of > performing the other assigned action. The program changing the configuration needs to ensure there are no collisions. If you have collisions, then it is currently undefined which action is executed. So, the user can do that, but it is somewhat dangerous unfortunately. > This last bit was the part that was the most frustrating, since > everything else I did had no effect. Now that I have unassociated > 'XF86Sleep' from the 'suspend-static' action, I can now re-assign it > to do other things. Yeah, I see how it might be unexpected, but I think the expectation to have a clean configuration is reasonable. > Thanks for the sanity check and for setting me on the right path. This > isn't a great user experience, but at least it is *possible* to > configure things the way I want. Possible, yes. I don't really consider it to be "supported" though. Still better than simply hard-coding them in C :) Note that you can also change the power button action in gnome-control- center, power, "Suspend & Power Button", "Power Button Action". Benjamin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Media key support in F32 / Gnome / systemd
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:57 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 8/8/20 11:30 AM, Christopher wrote: > > Thanks for the sanity check and for setting me on the right path. This > > isn't a great user experience, but at least it is *possible* to > > configure things the way I want. > > Well, for most users, it's a great experience because the keys do what > they say they do. I'm very happy that my suspend key works. :-) And I > don't expect to be able to easily map any random key on my keyboard to > something else. That's a fair point. However, this keyboard specifically markets itself as having the ability to modify the behavior of the keys, so purchasers of this keyboard *should* expect to be able to easily map the media keys to something else. I think this is a mainstream expectation nowadays for standard media keys. And, a quick search online of this problem will find many people frustrated by the placement of this key nearby other keys (it sits between the email and calculator keys), and desire to re-map it to avoid accidentally shutting down their computer when all they want to do is open their email (with numerous outdated answers about how to do it in previous versions of Gnome that don't work anymore). I will modify my previous statement about not being a great experience to this longer observation: the *initial* experience (until I learned more about Gnome configuration and the implications) was *slightly* less than great *if* you don't like the default behavior. The initial experience could be improved dramatically if the previous bindings were automatically removed when a new binding is set in gnome-control-center keyboard shortcuts. Also, it would be nice if all available bindings were shown in the GUI, instead of some only available hidden in dconf-settings/gsettings. It would also be great if I could search by value in dconf-editor to be able to find all mappings of XF86Sleep or another button when I don't know the configuration key name. Feature-wise, the fact that everything works as labeled out of the box, and the fact that you can make changes, is great. Usability-wise, there's room for some improvement. Overall, it's still great, even though it could be better. Thanks again, Christopher ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Media key support in F32 / Gnome / systemd
On 8/8/20 11:30 AM, Christopher wrote: Thanks for the sanity check and for setting me on the right path. This isn't a great user experience, but at least it is *possible* to configure things the way I want. Well, for most users, it's a great experience because the keys do what they say they do. I'm very happy that my suspend key works. :-) And I don't expect to be able to easily map any random key on my keyboard to something else. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Media key support in F32 / Gnome / systemd
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 1:38 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 8/8/20 3:52 AM, Christopher wrote: > > Does anybody know what the current state of media key support is in > > F32 / Gnome / systemd? > > Is it currently broken? > > It works great. That wasn't my experience, but knowing it works for others helps me narrow down whether the problem is on my end or not. > > > I recently bought a Logitech MK270 wireless mouse/keyboard (pretty > > common), which has a "power" media key, which seems to put my Fedora > > 32 system to sleep, and it doesn't seem to be possible to disable it > > in Gnome or in systemd-logind settings. It's possible I'm doing > > something wrong, but I'm now questioning whether this is just broken > > in Fedora right now, since nothing I've tried works. > > That sounds to me like it's doing exactly what it should. What are you > expecting it to do? If you go into the Gnome settings Power panel, you > could try changing the power key action, but that might only affect the > hard power button on the case. An alternative is to use dconf-editor > and change the suspend key setting in > /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/media-keys/. What I was expecting was the ability to disable it. After your response, and another half hour of troubleshooting, I have learned that: 1. There is no GUI to change the setting. 2. The logind.conf settings have no effect on the media keys. 3. The key is XF86Sleep (and not XF86Suspend). 4. The key is assigned to the 'suspend-static' behavior in dconf-editor / gsettings 5. Changing the assignment in dconf-editor / gsettings requires logging out and back in to take effect And most importantly, 6. It is *not* enough to assign the XF86Sleep button to another action in the keyboard shortcuts. You have to *also* remove it from the 'suspend-static' action, or it will suspend the computer instead of performing the other assigned action. This last bit was the part that was the most frustrating, since everything else I did had no effect. Now that I have unassociated 'XF86Sleep' from the 'suspend-static' action, I can now re-assign it to do other things. Thanks for the sanity check and for setting me on the right path. This isn't a great user experience, but at least it is *possible* to configure things the way I want. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Media key support in F32 / Gnome / systemd
On 8/8/20 3:52 AM, Christopher wrote: Does anybody know what the current state of media key support is in F32 / Gnome / systemd? Is it currently broken? It works great. I recently bought a Logitech MK270 wireless mouse/keyboard (pretty common), which has a "power" media key, which seems to put my Fedora 32 system to sleep, and it doesn't seem to be possible to disable it in Gnome or in systemd-logind settings. It's possible I'm doing something wrong, but I'm now questioning whether this is just broken in Fedora right now, since nothing I've tried works. That sounds to me like it's doing exactly what it should. What are you expecting it to do? If you go into the Gnome settings Power panel, you could try changing the power key action, but that might only affect the hard power button on the case. An alternative is to use dconf-editor and change the suspend key setting in /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/media-keys/. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
