On 11/23/2014 05:50 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
The tiles are coming from Mozilla. So yes please explain how the
advertisers can track me through them if I don't click them.
Much depends on what's in the tile. For example an embedded 1 pixel
transparent gif, commonly known as a web bug, and
On 11/23/2014 06:50 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Nikos Roussos
comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 11/18/2014 08:24 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos
comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM,
Am 24.11.2014 um 11:41 schrieb Nikos Roussos:
On 11/23/2014 06:50 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
I'm afraid it's not reasonable to assume that just because Mozilla is
providing the hooks to publish web ads that those web ads do not,
themselves, collect and use personal user data, especially the
On 2014-11-24, 11:02 GMT, Reindl Harald wrote:
and *that* is the real problem of the whole thread: 90% are based on
assumptions and opinions instead of verified facts which is very strange
when talking about open source
Or without checking tons of information provided on the Mozilla
website
On Nov 22, 2014 11:48 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Benjamin Kerensa …@mozillausa.org wrote:
[snip]
Well, we can stop reading right at mozillausa.org… Of course the rest of
the mail is a totally biased plug.
Biased why because I work on Firefox? I work on a lot of Open
Well I'll go on the record as niether a firefox user OR gnome (chrome/ium
xfce), and to be honest, what tv station or other sporting event for that
matter doesn't do the same ? So its okay there ? because I pay for a ticket
to watch a show/game, besides defaults are there for functionality OOB
On Sun, 2014-11-23 at 02:59 -0800, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
Personally I prefer data over knee jerk reactions because honestly this is
what I see going on. I don't see a demand from users that want a different
default I see developers who want to choose a different default based on
their own
If you want it in some cases (ie chrome i do ) learn to use it and accept
that Fedora is FOSS minded so support for your endeavours may vary as
will functionality and use/lack of funding projects for said FOSS projects
deal or find another tool
Corey W Sheldon
Freelance IT Consultant,
On 11/23/2014 06:56 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote:
On Sun, 2014-11-23 at 02:59 -0800, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
Personally I prefer data over knee jerk reactions because honestly this is
what I see going on. I don't see a demand from users that want a different
default I see developers who want
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Nikos Roussos
comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 11/18/2014 08:24 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos
comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM,
Benjamin Kerensa …@mozillausa.org wrote:
[snip]
Well, we can stop reading right at mozillausa.org… Of course the rest of
the mail is a totally biased plug.
One thing though just forces me to reply:
but the fact is Fedora users come to expect Firefox to be the default much
like they expect
On 2014-11-20, 16:17 GMT, Petr Viktorin wrote:
Every piece of Fedora is like that, and yet I don't see any
other software doing useless-for-me opt-out tracking.
(Also, who am I paying? All authors of Firefox, or only the Mozilla
employees?)
How many multizillion LoC end-user applications
On 11/19/2014 09:11 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
Hello Free Software Friends,
I want to encourage the Fedora Community to think carefully about making
a switch
to another browser as the default in Fedora. I would not get hung up on
these tiles
(Ads) too much and remember they are necessary in
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:28:11PM +0100, Petr Viktorin wrote:
tl;dr: I think the line we should not cross is: including features
that don't benefit the user and may be considered harmful.
I don't think this is a very clear line. Should we drop all spreadsheet
applications?
On 11/20/2014 04:02 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:28:11PM +0100, Petr Viktorin wrote:
tl;dr: I think the line we should not cross is: including features
that don't benefit the user and may be considered harmful.
I don't think this is a very clear line. Should we drop
On 11/20/2014 03:28 PM, Petr Viktorin wrote:
It's not about tracking per se – I'm fine with e.g. opt-in usage reports
that feed into research for making a better browser – that benefits me
(in a very indirect and miniscule way, but in the end the purpose is for
the *user's* benefit).
Ads are a
Being bombarded with questions when you just want to get to using
something isn't the best user experience, and I think in general
something we've been trying to reduce.
This doesn't need to be must-choice. A checkbox won't hurt, but I am not
UX expert. Having that said, this is not a valid
On 11/20/2014 04:44 PM, Martin Stransky wrote:
On 11/20/2014 03:28 PM, Petr Viktorin wrote:
It's not about tracking per se – I'm fine with e.g. opt-in usage reports
that feed into research for making a better browser – that benefits me
(in a very indirect and miniscule way, but in the end the
On 2014-11-20, 14:28 GMT, Petr Viktorin wrote:
Ads are a feature that only benefits the upstream and the companies that
pay for the ads. From my (user's) perspective, there is no reason to
have them on my system. There is no benefit to me from this feature.
Sorry, I have to ask here the
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com
wrote:
That's still much better than Chrome where the price (user tracking) is
hidden and you can't disable it.
Well, Chrome isn't an option for Fedora due to proprietary portions...
however, there is the Chromium project
Hello Free Software Friends,
I want to encourage the Fedora Community to think carefully about making
a switch
to another browser as the default in Fedora. I would not get hung up on
these tiles
(Ads) too much and remember they are necessary in order for Mozilla to
continue
building Firefox,
On 11/19/2014 12:34 AM, Lars Seipel wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:15:33AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think
they're useful, not because we're paid to do so.
That's irrelevant. Paid or not, promoting websites through tiles or
What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship
applications to carry ads and report tracking data?
Can't we let the user to decide during the firstboot or Firefox first
startup?
Since browsers already do the opt-out, we could do the same. This global
OS setting would then
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:11:04AM -0800, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
I want to encourage the Fedora Community to think carefully about
making a switch to another browser as the default in Fedora. I would
not get hung up on these tiles (Ads) too much and remember they are
necessary in order for
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:19:21PM +0100, Lukas Zapletal wrote:
Can't we let the user to decide during the firstboot or Firefox first
startup?
Being bombarded with questions when you just want to get to using
something isn't the best user experience, and I think in general
something we've been
If there is an opt-out in the browser for receiving the advertising,
Mozilla should educate users on that choice while making a case for
why it needs the revenue from showing the ads.
Accepting the ads could be a good way for users to support Mozilla
while not making an actual financial
I'm talking about the advertisement part. Some people seem to be
bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but
we already do that.
No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think
they're useful, not because we're paid to do so.
That's
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:15 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
I'm talking about the advertisement part. Some people seem to be
bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but
we already do that.
No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think
On 11/18/2014 02:55 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote:
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:15 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
I'm talking about the advertisement part. Some people seem to be
bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but
we already do that.
No, actually we don't. We
Hi,
It looks like the recent Firefox Adds does not break any Fedora rules
so it's perfectly ok to ship it as is.
The H264 codec download feature break the Fedora law and has been
removed from Fedora. When Fedora rules the Adds out of the apps it will
be removed from FF immediately. Until
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100,
Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com wrote:
Another way how to promote Fedora is to set welcome page to
start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh
profile and can point people to the Fedora project.
We shouldn't be doing that
On 11/17/2014 02:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Well, how to put it ... Mozilla.com's role in fedora has many times been
subject to controvercies, but doubts have always been ruled ;)
They always get special exceptions for any and all Fedora policies that
upstream does not
Hi,
On 11/16/2014 05:36 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 15.11.2014 v 15:06 Kevin Kofler napsal(a):
Lars Seipel wrote:
What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship
applications to carry ads and report tracking data?
No!
IMHO, we should consider dropping Firefox from Fedora
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Tomas Radej tra...@redhat.com wrote:
I believe M$ made good experience with ballot screen, may be we should
implement something similar in open source spirit ;)
If we do not want Firefox as default, this seems to be much better option
than just replacing it
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy
decision (from Fedora's point of view). Money or not, we need a
consistent policy on advertisements for all upstream.
How about an opt-in requirement?
-- Ben
On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter ben.kreu...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy
decision (from Fedora's point of view). Money or not, we need a
consistent policy on
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100,
Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com wrote:
Another way how to promote Fedora is to set welcome page to
start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh profile and
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Nikos Roussos
comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter ben.kreu...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy
Hi,
On 11/18/2014 05:46 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Tomas Radej tra...@redhat.com wrote:
I believe M$ made good experience with ballot screen, may be we should
implement something similar in open source spirit ;)
If we do not want Firefox as default, this
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:16:12 +0100,
drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
We shouldn't be doing that either. Any welcome page initially displayed
should be from a copy on the installation, not something fetched from a
Am 18.11.2014 um 18:29 schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:16:12 +0100,
drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
We shouldn't be doing that either. Any welcome page initially displayed
should be from a copy on
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 17:14 +, Nikos Roussos wrote:
On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter ben.kreu...@gmail.com
wrote:
How about an opt-in requirement?
Yes, that would make more sense.
But I didn't opt-in to see commercial websites on gnome-shell either (and I
can't
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Tomas Radej tra...@redhat.com wrote:
Based on the aforementioned, I think it's infinitely easier to fix Firefox
than push for Chromium.
I am aware of bugs you mentioned. The fact remains that Chromium is the
only viable alternative to Firefox... so if we're
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 08:00:35 -0600
Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100,
Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com wrote:
Another way how to promote Fedora is to set welcome page to
start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
*but* please avoid FUD and paranoia and claim upstream unstrustable until
you can prove that instead of assume it
Exactly! Thank you!
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On 11/18/2014 07:21 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Nikos Roussos
comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter
ben.kreu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
This is a moral judgment, so
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:40:02 +0100,
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 18.11.2014 um 18:29 schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
Mozilla is a third party. There is no reason that they should be
contacted by default.
calling upstream 3rd party is somehow strange
most code in fedora is
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:44:04 -0800,
Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us wrote:
I am aware of bugs you mentioned. The fact remains that Chromium is the
only viable alternative to Firefox...
Why do you claim that? What requirements do you think we must provide
for in our default browser that
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
Why do you claim that? What requirements do you think we must provide
for in our default browser that other browser we have packages for
don't meet? I find Midori reasonable on x86_64. There is currently an
i686 problem because a library it uses is compiled with an
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 22:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
That's a webkitgtk issue, look at how we handle this in QtWebKit.
(You have to build the library twice, as /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk* with
the
WebKit JIT disabled and as /usr/lib/sse2/libwebkitgtk* with the JIT
enabled.
The WebKit
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:15:33AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think
they're useful, not because we're paid to do so.
That's irrelevant. Paid or not, promoting websites through tiles or
gnome-shell is the same form of
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:22:54 -0600,
Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote:
Is there a bug report about this? Could you point me to it if so? i686
is absolutely a supported architecture, it's just not one that's
regularly tested.
This is the one for webkit:
I'm killfiling this thread and I'm inches away from leaving the mailing
list. Can we move on?
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:22:54 -0600,
Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote:
Is there a bug report about this? Could
On 11/16/2014 06:31 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 11/15/2014 11:41 PM, Johannes Lips wrote:
I don't really understand the issue at all.
We have a no-phone-home and no-spy policy in Fedora.
I don't think we do.
Anaconda, for example, phones home even before you select the
installation
This doesn't seem relevant to this discussion, unless Fedora browsers
are automatically, and without the user's explicit knowledge or
permission, navigating to Google's search engine, which (AFAICT) they
are not.
Same happens with these tiles. No data is sent back to
On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 11:37 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
I don't consider my IP address a call to home. [...] Even Gnome checks my
IP's location to fix my timezone.
Not by default, you have to enable this explicitly.
Second, a user can easily accidentally click on ad, since it is mixed
On 11/17/2014 11:47 AM, Mathieu Bridon wrote:
On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 11:37 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
I don't consider my IP address a call to home. [...] Even Gnome checks my
IP's location to fix my timezone.
Not by default, you have to enable this explicitly.
True, as you also have to
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05:35 +0200,
Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
No. We are talking about the tiles. I didn't see anyone suggesting we
remove Google search. It's like the tiles feature crossed a line, which
is far from truth.
Firefox is really not set up with privacy
Am 17.11.2014 um 14:41 schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
Firefox is really not set up with privacy as a high priority. Some bad
things it does from a privacy perspective are:
If you type a name in the url bar and send, if the name dosn't match a
domain google is contacted. (And it is google even if you
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:41:22AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05:35 +0200,
Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
No. We are talking about the tiles. I didn't see anyone suggesting we
remove Google search. It's like the tiles feature crossed a line,
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 15:06:21 +0100,
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 17.11.2014 um 14:41 schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
Firefox is really not set up with privacy as a high priority. Some bad
things it does from a privacy perspective are:
If you type a name in the url bar and
Am 17.11.2014 um 15:28 schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 15:06:21 +0100,
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 17.11.2014 um 14:41 schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
The referer header is sent by default. It isn't obvious how to disable
that
please don't propose disable the
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:32:39PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Also having the Fedora policy be clear and unambiguous. Who would
deal with that? FESCO? The Board (or whatever it's called these days)?
FESCo for the technical side, board for high-level guidance.
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On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote:
So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the
New Tab page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff.
So, here's a (genuine) question: how is this behavior different, from a
Fedora policy point of
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote:
So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the
New Tab page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff.
I started seeing the advertisement tiles on my existing profile.
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 06:31:39AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
I don't really understand the issue at all.
We have a no-phone-home and no-spy policy in Fedora.
*Is* there a formal, written policy somewhere? (And, while related to
the advertising issue, this seems separate in many ways.)
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On 11/17/2014 04:14 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote:
So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the
New Tab page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff.
So, here's a (genuine) question: how is this
On 11/17/2014 09:35 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
On 11/16/2014 06:31 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 11/15/2014 11:41 PM, Johannes Lips wrote:
I don't really understand the issue at all.
We have a no-phone-home and no-spy policy in Fedora.
I don't think we do.
It's should be to be part of the
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:08:36PM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the
New Tab page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff.
So, here's a (genuine) question: how is this behavior different, from a
Fedora policy point of
People keep bringing up policy violations, but when asked you either get
crickets or the subject slightly changed. The only policy that I could
find that might apply would be Fedora Forbidden Items
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items?rd=ForbiddenItems and if
you read it, you'll find
Nikos Roussos wrote:
And a user may accidentally start searching on the Google search box
before she realizes that she sends data to Google as she types (that's
how you get recommendations).
That's also a questionable feature. Such a text box should not send
anything before you confirm it.
Florian Weimer wrote:
And I'm sorry to say that I think the UI is still confusing and may not
achieve the goal of obtaining informed consent.
For example, do users realize that using the retrace server means sending
the backtrace to the server, so they have effectively uploaded it even if
That's also a questionable feature. Such a text box should not send
anything before you confirm it.
Perhaps as part of the firewall installation step, the user could be
given a list of sites that their PC may call home to - including
official repos - and let them opt-in or opt-out
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:32 PM, DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote:
That's also a questionable feature. Such a text box should not send
anything before you confirm it.
Perhaps as part of the firewall installation step, the user could be
given a list of sites that their PC may call home to -
On 17 November 2014 13:57, DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote:
Ugh .. sorry but that's the worst suggestion so far. No image the user
goes to http://addons.mozilla.org/ to install addons ... it won't
work. (just one random example but you get the idea).
I imagine the user would change the
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:57 PM, DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote:
Ugh .. sorry but that's the worst suggestion so far. No image the user
goes to http://addons.mozilla.org/ to install addons ... it won't
work. (just one random example but you get the idea).
I imagine the user would change
Am 17.11.2014 um 22:16 schrieb drago01:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:57 PM, DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote:
Ugh .. sorry but that's the worst suggestion so far. No image the user
goes to http://addons.mozilla.org/ to install addons ... it won't
work. (just one random example but you get the
Not every user understands the connection between website does not
work - firewall configuration
True, which means that we have to use words that they *do* understand.
For extra coolness, a per-user firewall and some way of popping up a
query dialog when they violate a firewall rule. We
Am 17.11.2014 um 22:25 schrieb DJ Delorie:
Not every user understands the connection between website does not
work - firewall configuration
True, which means that we have to use words that they *do* understand
forget it
really, after working more than a decade with every sort of users from
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
forget it
Yup, that really perfectly sums it up. The introduction of ads by Mozilla
breaks no Fedora policy, period, end of story. Notwithstanding the fact
that they are unobtrusive and ridiculously simple to
On 11/17/2014 09:23 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote:
So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the
New Tab page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff.
I started seeing the advertisement tiles on my
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos
comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad
mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com mailto:mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com
wrote:
This doesn't seem relevant to this
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05:35PM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
True, as you also have to explicitly click a tile to send data to
Mozilla.
Well, I don't think the act of hiding/closing an ad (by clicking on the
'x' attached to it) can be reasonably interpreted as informed consent.
Yet, it is
Am 16.11.2014 um 06:31 schrieb Ralf Corsepius:
On 11/15/2014 11:41 PM, Johannes Lips wrote:
I don't really understand the issue at all.
We have a no-phone-home and no-spy policy in Fedora
and arbt is not phone-home?
if you really fight for a no-phone-home-policy you need to do that
On 11/16/2014 10:52 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 16.11.2014 um 06:31 schrieb Ralf Corsepius:
On 11/15/2014 11:41 PM, Johannes Lips wrote:
I don't really understand the issue at all.
We have a no-phone-home and no-spy policy in Fedora
and arbt is not phone-home?
abrt is supposed to be
Am 16.11.2014 um 11:07 schrieb Ralf Corsepius:
On 11/16/2014 10:52 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 16.11.2014 um 06:31 schrieb Ralf Corsepius:
On 11/15/2014 11:41 PM, Johannes Lips wrote:
I don't really understand the issue at all.
We have a no-phone-home and no-spy policy in Fedora
and
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Lars Seipel lars.sei...@gmail.com wrote:
So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the
New Tab page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff.
On a pristine F21 install using Gnome, when first launching Firefox,
users are
On Sun, 2014-11-16 at 10:52 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
and arbt is not phone-home?
ABRT will never send anything without user permission.
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On 2014-11-16, 05:31 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
I don't really understand the issue at all.
We have a no-phone-home and no-spy policy in Fedora.
And I believe the same goes for the Mozilla ... did anybody
check their privacy policy?
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/
Also,
Dne 15.11.2014 v 15:06 Kevin Kofler napsal(a):
Lars Seipel wrote:
What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship
applications to carry ads and report tracking data?
No!
IMHO, we should consider dropping Firefox from Fedora entirely, in favor of
Epiphany for Workstation
I went back and reviewed Fedora Forbidden Items
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items?rd=ForbiddenItems and saw
nothing that applied to the situation with Firefox. While I agree with the
statement: The concerns raised are that the default configuration is an
opt-out vs. opt-in model of
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us wrote:
I went back and reviewed Fedora Forbidden Items
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items?rd=ForbiddenItems and
saw nothing that applied to the situation with Firefox. While I agree with
the statement: The concerns
On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad
mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com mailto:mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Lars Seipel lars.sei...@gmail.com
mailto:lars.sei...@gmail.com wrote:
So
Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Well, how to put it ... Mozilla.com's role in fedora has many times been
subject to controvercies, but doubts have always been ruled ;)
They always get special exceptions for any and all Fedora policies that
upstream does not want to comply with, with the excuse that
Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
The ads are not intrusive, they don't collect personally
identifiable data, and can be disabled with a selection from a button
on the start page!
See:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2848017/how-to-get-rid-of-firefoxs-new-ads-on-the-new-tab-page.html
The instructions
On 15.11.2014 16:51, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
...
We're working hard on WebKitGTK+ ...
...
This is something new? :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers#WebKit-based
WebKit-based
Amazon Kindle (experimental)
Arora (discontinued)
BOLT browser (discontinued)
Chromium
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad
mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com mailto:mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM,
Hi,
I just wanted to make a recommendation based on a few comments that were
made thus far.
On 11/16/2014 11:11 PM, Christopher wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos
comzer...@fedoraproject.org mailto:comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher
On 11/16/2014 02:47 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Sun, 2014-11-16 at 10:52 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
and arbt is not phone-home?
ABRT will never send anything without user permission.
Except when it does (due to bugs).
And I'm sorry to say that I think the UI is still confusing and may
What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship
applications to carry ads and report tracking data?
If I search 'twitter' on Gnome Shell I'm prompted with twitter.com. So
whatever decision we make for ads let's make sure we are consistent.
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