Re: Spec files maintained in external source control: *please* mention this in the spec file

2017-02-14 Thread Adam Williamson 
On Tue, 2017-02-14 at 18:40 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> > > > > > "AW" == Adam Williamson  writes:
> 
> AW> Hi folks! So I got bitten again today by the situation where the
> AW> primary contact for a given package considers the 'canonical' source
> AW> for the spec file to be some external SCM, and finds it a problem
> AW> when someone (e.g. a provenpackager like me...) changes the package
> AW> directly in dist-git.
> 
> But, uh, how does rel-eng do it?  Or do these maintainers all yell at
> rel-eng after every mass rebuild?

Yes, more or less. The good ones notice that the mass rebuild happened
and merge the change back. The bad ones just push back over the top of
the mass rebuild and mess stuff up.

> There are packages where people might want to request communication
> before people do work on the package.  Those packages might be
> especially complex or have special bootstrapping requirements or a
> delicate dependency chain.  That I can understand.  The spec file in
> Fedora git not being "canonical", though, is simply not a valid reason.
> For Fedora's workflow, which involves a community of package maintainers
> who expect to be able to make use of the Fedora's infrastructure and
> tools, there can be no possible alternate canonical location for the
> spec.

This is more or less my opinion, but there are those who don't agree
and have some kind of reason (such as using the same spec file to do
package builds in some other place, or wanting to maintain the spec
file for a tool alongside its source so they can easily do test package
builds as part of the tool's unit tests, etc.)
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Re: Spec files maintained in external source control: *please* mention this in the spec file

2017-02-14 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III 
> "ZJ" == Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek  writes:

ZJ> Indeed. I changed the status. (I feels a bit presumptuous to tell
ZJ> the FPC when exactly they have to discuss something, but if it's
ZJ> that's what it takes, then OK.)

trac unfortunately doesn't have any facility for auto-moving things back
from the needinfo status like bugzilla does, so occasionally things get
missed.  Trac will very soon be irrelevant for FPC-related things
anyway, but of course pagure doesn't really even have a concept of
"needinfo" at this point so we'll need to do something else.

 - J<
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Re: Spec files maintained in external source control: *please* mention this in the spec file

2017-02-14 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III 
> "AW" == Adam Williamson  writes:

AW> Hi folks! So I got bitten again today by the situation where the
AW> primary contact for a given package considers the 'canonical' source
AW> for the spec file to be some external SCM, and finds it a problem
AW> when someone (e.g. a provenpackager like me...) changes the package
AW> directly in dist-git.

But, uh, how does rel-eng do it?  Or do these maintainers all yell at
rel-eng after every mass rebuild?

There are packages where people might want to request communication
before people do work on the package.  Those packages might be
especially complex or have special bootstrapping requirements or a
delicate dependency chain.  That I can understand.  The spec file in
Fedora git not being "canonical", though, is simply not a valid reason.
For Fedora's workflow, which involves a community of package maintainers
who expect to be able to make use of the Fedora's infrastructure and
tools, there can be no possible alternate canonical location for the
spec.

Someone who really, really wants to maintain a package in such a fashion
must be prepared to merge back every commit made to the Fedora package.

 - J<
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Re: Spec files maintained in external source control: *please* mention this in the spec file

2017-02-14 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek 
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 03:41:52PM +, Mat Booth wrote:
> Ticket is still has "need info" status  -- if the info is provided, the
> status should be set to "discuss at next meeting"

Indeed. I changed the status. (I feels a bit presumptuous to tell the
FPC when exactly they have to discuss something, but if it's that's 
what it takes, then OK.)

Zbyszek
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Re: Spec files maintained in external source control: *please* mention this in the spec file

2017-02-14 Thread Mat Booth 
On 14 February 2017 at 02:58, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 09:44:50AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Hi folks! So I got bitten again today by the situation where the
> > primary contact for a given package considers the 'canonical' source
> > for the spec file to be some external SCM, and finds it a problem when
> > someone (e.g. a provenpackager like me...) changes the package directly
> > in dist-git.
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/613
> It's seems to be going nowhere.
>
> > This is at least 50% my fault for not trying to check in before
> > changing the package
> It'd help if there was a standard way to mark such things.
>
> Zbyszek
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Ticket is still has "need info" status  -- if the info is provided, the
status should be set to "discuss at next meeting"

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Re: Spec files maintained in external source control: *please* mention this in the spec file

2017-02-13 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek 
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 09:44:50AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Hi folks! So I got bitten again today by the situation where the
> primary contact for a given package considers the 'canonical' source
> for the spec file to be some external SCM, and finds it a problem when
> someone (e.g. a provenpackager like me...) changes the package directly
> in dist-git.

https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/613
It's seems to be going nowhere.

> This is at least 50% my fault for not trying to check in before
> changing the package
It'd help if there was a standard way to mark such things.

Zbyszek
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