Re: updates in stable branches introducing new dependencies
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 07:36:34AM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > I filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1564699 > but the maintainer refused to even comment on the merits and closed > it without any reasonable explanation. I find his response not > excellent. This bug is very sad :( Few representative citations: “Sounds like we need to fire more docs writers if they have time to write fictional policy documents.” “Some Fedora policies are completely detached from what Fedora maintainers actually do, yes.” Joe Orton (httpd package administrator, according to pkgdb) completely disregards Fedora policies and all the work spent on writing them. And what to do with maintainers doing things against policies? -- Tomasz TorczTo co nierealne -- tutaj jest normalne. xmpp: zdzich...@chrome.pl Ziomale na życie mają tu patenty specjalne. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: updates in stable branches introducing new dependencies
On Wednesday, 11 April 2018 at 10:35, Michal Schorm wrote: > For fetaures, that are optional, weak dependencies is the best solution I > can think of. > Even when "Recommends" is used, which means it will try to pull the > dependency as well, if not said specifically opted-out. That's fine. The optional dependency can be uninstalled afterwards or not installed at all if you have install_weak_deps set to false. > > 2 considerations: > > * is the user experience significantly affected? > > * is the size implications significant? > > As far as I can tell, the answer to both is generally no. > > For everything else, besides opt features, plugins, ... , I totally agree > with the nice short answer from Rex. So, you think the maintainers should be free to add any new dependencies without any announcement or explanation as long as it doesn't "materially affect the user or developer experience"? I actually have nothing against adding new features, even in stable branches, but I do object to lack of communication about those. Regards, Dominik -- Fedora https://getfedora.org | RPMFusion http://rpmfusion.org There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. -- from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: updates in stable branches introducing new dependencies
For fetaures, that are optional, weak dependencies is the best solution I can think of. Even when "Recommends" is used, which means it will try to pull the dependency as well, if not said specifically opted-out. > 2 considerations: > * is the user experience significantly affected? > * is the size implications significant? > As far as I can tell, the answer to both is generally no. For everything else, besides opt features, plugins, ... , I totally agree with the nice short answer from Rex. -- Michal Schorm Associate Software Engineer Core Services - Databases Team Red Hat On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > > Arguably, the current stable updates policy is against this > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Stable_Releases : > > [...] Updates should aim to fix bugs, and not introduce features, [...] > > you snipped off what I consider relevant here: "... particularly when those > features would materially affect the user or developer experience" > > > Is this a legitimate issue or am I making storm in a teacup here? > > Ever-increasing package sizes and dependency bloat do seem to be > > a popular topic these days. > > 2 considerations: > * is the user experience significantly affected? > * is the size implications significant? > > As far as I can tell, the answer to both is generally no. > > -- rex > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: updates in stable branches introducing new dependencies
Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > Arguably, the current stable updates policy is against this > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Stable_Releases : > [...] Updates should aim to fix bugs, and not introduce features, [...] you snipped off what I consider relevant here: "... particularly when those features would materially affect the user or developer experience" > Is this a legitimate issue or am I making storm in a teacup here? > Ever-increasing package sizes and dependency bloat do seem to be > a popular topic these days. 2 considerations: * is the user experience significantly affected? * is the size implications significant? As far as I can tell, the answer to both is generally no. -- rex ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org