Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Bernardo Innocenti wrote: In the short term, one quick and dirty fix would be to disable the EXA upload hook. The driver may even become somewhat faster because we avoid the extra copy! Here's a version of amd_drv with this kludge implemented and full debug symbols enabled:

Re: #3469 HIGH Trial-3: Human readable file names in the journal

2007-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On 9/18/07, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we have another solution for being able to find a file after the journal has saved it to the school server? How are backups to the school server going to be handled for trial-3? It think the proper long term solution the remote datastore stuff

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Don Hopkins
This is #3352: https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3352 What's special about this page is that the clock applet uses two very wide bitmaps of 3200 pixels each to represent the clock arms in all possible positions. (that's over 2MB of RAM wasted, nice!) Wow, 2MB of ram for a clock? That's 32

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On Sep 18, 2007, at 10:45 , Don Hopkins wrote: This is #3352: https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3352 What's special about this page is that the clock applet uses two very wide bitmaps of 3200 pixels each to represent the clock arms in all possible positions. (that's over 2MB of RAM wasted,

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Jim Gettys
Ah, X's guilt is no more (in this instance): at the time you wrote that amusing tirade, there was no way to find out the memory consumption in the X server due to stupid clients: now there is (XRes) Would that more tools used it to report memory properly - Jim

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Pádraig Brady
Jim Gettys wrote: Bert, Don't confuse virtual address space used with RAM consumed: most of that is shared memory (glibc, pango, gtk+). That's why memphis was written and is in our build: ps gives very misleading memory usage statistics, unless you really understand what it is

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Memphis still says Calculate is taking 10 MB, which compared to the RAM in a physical calculator is quite a lot. Also, e.g. Memphis is attributing 110 MB to Squeak, when most of that is unused virtual address space (which top actually gets right). - Bert - On Sep 18, 2007, at 13:53 , Jim

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On Sep 18, 2007, at 13:53 , Jim Gettys wrote: Even so, right now we'll find lots more RAM consumed that we'd like, due to how python loads modules; we have schemes for fixing this using fork and copy on write. Last time I talked to Ivan that's not going to be possible (in the

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Last time I talked to Ivan that's not going to be possible (in the foreseeable future) given the security framework's constraints. As so much, sadly. It's how memory is normally managed for Python modules that's problematic; security has

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Jim Gettys
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 15:25 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Memphis still says Calculate is taking 10 MB, which compared to the RAM in a physical calculator is quite a lot. Also, e.g. Memphis is attributing 110 MB to Squeak, when most of that is unused virtual address space (which top

Re: wireless networking

2007-09-18 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 06:55 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 16:10 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 19:52 +0100, Victor Lazzarini wrote: Thanks, I am now seeing my wireless router on the machines and can ping other machines connected to it. Wired internet

Re: wireless networking

2007-09-18 Thread Jim Gettys
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 10:27 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 06:55 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 16:10 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 19:52 +0100, Victor Lazzarini wrote: Thanks, I am now seeing my wireless router on the machines and

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Jordan Crouse
FIrst of all, fix your mail editor. It is broken. On 18/09/07 00:50 -0400, Bernardo Innocenti wrote: - Removing all of the asm wizardry (useless IMHO, maybe even counter-productive) - Implementing access macros for the ring buffer using the normal, plain wrapping policy of all ring

Re: radio off guarantee?

2007-09-18 Thread John Watlington
Suppose I'm someplace where I don't expect or want to do any mesh networking. How much would turning off the radio help battery life? Last I checked, the effect was very small. There will be occasional scans as the unit hunts around for nearby radios. One could save more by making those

Re: #3469 HIGH Trial-3: Human readable file names in the journal

2007-09-18 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Any reason this cannot be made public? - Bert - On Sep 18, 2007, at 17:23 , John Watlington wrote: Marco, I apologize that this was discussed at a school server meeting and we didn't point you at the results. Details are at:

Re: #3469 HIGH Trial-3: Human readable file names in the journal

2007-09-18 Thread John Watlington
We should get you access to TeamWiki. We do need some space for common notes that isn't published to the world at large... Here are the minutes: --- School Server Meeting Minutes, 2007-09-12 Attending: Scott, Michail, Alex, Kim, Wad, Walter * Jabber

Re: Power envelope (was Re: radio off guarantee?)

2007-09-18 Thread Mike C. Fletcher
John Watlington wrote: Suppose I'm someplace where I don't expect or want to do any mesh networking. How much would turning off the radio help battery life? Last I checked, the effect was very small. There will be occasional scans as the unit hunts around for nearby radios. One

Re: radio off guarantee?

2007-09-18 Thread linaccess
moin, On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:42:51 +1000 James Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we need a solid way to turn off the RF before it's OK to use an XO on an airplane? Our target market usually won't have this problem. Yes, but the developers need a solid way to switch of the RF. The Test

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Jordan Crouse
Okay - after some investigation and talking to the original author of the Cimarron code, I have some answers. So the request gets through the amd_drv upload hook, and eventually we reach gp_color_bitmap_to_screen_blt(), whose purpose is to do the actual uploading: The *real* purpose of the

Re: radio off guarantee?

2007-09-18 Thread Hal Murray
We see 700 to 800 mW consumed by the mesh interface, and as with most WiFi interfaces, receiving consumes as much power as transmitting. Crazy thought dept... How long does it take to turn the receiver on? If all the clocks in a mesh were synchronized, would it make sense to turn all the

Re: radio off guarantee?

2007-09-18 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 18:52 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: moin, On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:42:51 +1000 James Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we need a solid way to turn off the RF before it's OK to use an XO on an airplane? Our target market usually won't have this problem.

Re: Software status meeting on IRC (today, 21:00 EDT Boston)

2007-09-18 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: Feedback seemed mostly positive to last weeks IRC meeting; let's try again. irc.freenode.net, #olpc. Correction: #olpc-meeting, like last time, NOT #olpc. Thanks, -- Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://radian.org

Re: Power envelope (was Re: radio off guarantee?)

2007-09-18 Thread Jim Gettys
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 12:12 -0400, Mike C. Fletcher wrote: John Watlington wrote: Suppose I'm someplace where I don't expect or want to do any mesh networking. How much would turning off the radio help battery life? Last I checked, the effect was very small. There will be

Software status meeting on IRC (today, 21:00 EDT Boston)

2007-09-18 Thread Jim Gettys
Feedback seemed mostly positive to last weeks IRC meeting; let's try again. irc.freenode.net, #olpc. ***Please** go through trac, comment and close bugs that are done. Please push bugs for first deployment. If you aren't sure, put the bugs into untriaged and we'll get you feedback. Please

Re: radio off guarantee?

2007-09-18 Thread Richard A. Smith
John Watlington wrote: While it makes sense to turn off the wireless networking interface on developer So there's a slight problem with powering off the wireless interface from an electrical standpoint. You can't. At least not if you want a working system. WLAN_EN controls WLAN_3.3V.

The gecko engine on the XO

2007-09-18 Thread ankita prasad
Hi All, I am building an application for the XO and i want to embed a browser in the application. Can somebody tell me the details of the Gecko engine(version and other jazz) that is there on the XO? I would like to replicate the XO mozilla engine on my linux box so that I can build my

Re: The gecko engine on the XO

2007-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Browser example here: https://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/hulahop;a=blob;f=tests/test-web-view.py;h=63ede6b7e100a4c3dc40c434997a05fa9f7bae64;hb=HEAD Easier way to build it on your box is sugar-jhbuild: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_with_sugar-jhbuild You can probably just build xulrunner

Re: The gecko engine on the XO

2007-09-18 Thread Ravi Kondamuru
git-clone is getting a fatal error and aborting with message Network is unreachable. A network trace revealed that dev.laptop.org (crank.laptop.org) is resetting the connection. Is this an intermittent error that should go away when I retry later or am I doing something wrong? thanks, Ravi.

Re: The gecko engine on the XO

2007-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On 9/18/07, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easier way to build it on your box is sugar-jhbuild: Or, if you have Fedora 7, you can also just install the olpc xulrunner/hulahop rpms on it. Marco ___ Devel mailing list

Re: The gecko engine on the XO

2007-09-18 Thread ankita prasad
Or, if you have Fedora 7, you can also just install the olpc xulrunner/hulahop rpms on it. Would this be the closest approximation of the gecko engine on the XO? Do you know what is the version of the engine present on the XO? Thanks! Ankita On 9/18/07, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Bernardo Innocenti wrote: In the short term, one quick and dirty fix would be to disable the EXA upload hook. The driver may even become somewhat faster because we avoid the extra copy! Here's a version of amd_drv with this kludge implemented and full debug symbols enabled:

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Jordan Crouse wrote: NAK. What you are suggesting will completely breaking the entire Cimarron infrastructure, which is not something I am willing to do at this stage. Much time (and by that I mean nearly 4 years) went into writing, verifying and validating this code. We have a bug that

Re: The iGoogle bug

2007-09-18 Thread Jordan Crouse
On 18/09/07 20:09 -0400, Bernardo Innocenti wrote: Jordan Crouse wrote: NAK. What you are suggesting will completely breaking the entire Cimarron infrastructure, which is not something I am willing to do at this stage. Much time (and by that I mean nearly 4 years) went into writing,

Re: Power envelope (was Re: radio off guarantee?)

2007-09-18 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 12:12 -0400, Mike C. Fletcher wrote: John Watlington wrote: Suppose I'm someplace where I don't expect or want to do any mesh networking. How much would turning off the radio help battery life? Last I checked, the effect was very small. There will be

utimes()/gid problem CoW Link-Breaking

2007-09-18 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, Herbert Poetzl took a look at our utimes()/gid problem and has produced a patch that he thinks will fix the bug: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-cow-fix13.diff His patch basically confirms that our work-around for updating (rsync'ing twice) is correct; therefore, I feel