New joyride build 1998

2008-05-29 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1998 Changes in build 1998 from build: 1996 Size delta: 0.00M -bootfw q2d14a-1.olpc2.unsigned +bootfw q2d16-1.olpc2.unsigned --- Changes for bootfw q2d16-1.olpc2.unsigned from q2d14a-1.olpc2.unsigned --- + q2d14 this is an unsigned

Re: Video from last week's country meetings.

2008-05-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:58 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/23/08, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've posted the agenda for this week's country meetings, and slides from most talks, at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Presentations/May_2008_Country_Workshop This

New faster build 1998

2008-05-29 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1998 Changes in build 1998 from build: 1996 Size delta: -0.13M -bootfw q2d14a-1.olpc2.unsigned +bootfw q2d16-1.olpc2.unsigned --- Changes for bootfw q2d16-1.olpc2.unsigned from q2d14a-1.olpc2.unsigned --- + q2d14 this is an unsigned

IR Plethysmograph - Health-related HW

2008-05-29 Thread Tom Boonsiri
The OLPC Goldenstate grassroots group has developed an alternative heart rate monitor to add to the ECG Prototype. A simple Plethysmograph circuit was implemented leveraging the built-in ADC and a modified version of Arjun's Measure code. A Plethysmograph is an infrared photoelectric sensor used

Re: New update.1 build 706

2008-05-29 Thread Morgan Collett
2008/5/29 Giannis Galanis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: these is a list some bugs discovered tonight on 706 5848: The mesh circle in the main view was disappered 7121: Chat would not load 7119: Usb stick was too slow to mount(1min) 7118: Letters in all sugar activities became tiny! **5848 probably

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
Actually, the goals are more limited. Say you have dual-boot; OS 1 has bitfrost, OS 2 does not. Things OS 2 should not do: 1. Read private files from OS 1. 1a. Read encryption key from OS 1, thus subverting all security which that key gives. This, in particular, should be avoided. 1a(i). By

Re: New update.1 build 706

2008-05-29 Thread Ricardo Carrano
Yanni, On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Giannis Galanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: these is a list some bugs discovered tonight on 706 5848: The mesh circle in the main view was disappered I have a theory on that. Please check the ticket. Cheers! Ricardo

Re: New joyride build 1998

2008-05-29 Thread Richard A. Smith
Build Announcer v2 wrote: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1998 Changes in build 1998 from build: 1996 Size delta: 0.00M -bootfw q2d14a-1.olpc2.unsigned +bootfw q2d16-1.olpc2.unsigned --- Changes for bootfw q2d16-1.olpc2.unsigned from q2d14a-1.olpc2.unsigned

Re: Video from last week's country meetings.

2008-05-29 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Mon, 26 May 2008 14:58:06 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: I've now encoded and uploaded video from all of last Tuesday's talks; links at the url above. Hopefully I will be able to get a copy of the Thank you!

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Morgan Collett
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jameson Chema Quinn writes: Actually, the goals are more limited. Say you have dual-boot; OS 1 has bitfrost, OS 2 does not. Things OS 2 should not do: 1. Read private files from OS 1. ... 2. By writing to OS 1's file

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
I just had an IRC conversation with Benjamin Schwarz in which we talked about: He said that 3,4, and 5 have been considered more serious than 1 and 2; since they are impossible, there is little point doing 1 and 2. I disagreed. There is no way with current hardware to write-protect the NAND

Re: Video from last week's country meetings.

2008-05-29 Thread Morgan Collett
2008/5/29 Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As to the ppt conversions, it seemed to me that some of the slides had layers overlaid on other layers in the wrong order, obscuring what was written underneath. Perhaps you could just post the ppt files as well as the pdf you converted it to? Did

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread david
On Thu, 29 May 2008, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: I just had an IRC conversation with Benjamin Schwarz in which we talked about: He said that 3,4, and 5 have been considered more serious than 1 and 2; since they are impossible, there is little point doing 1 and 2. I disagreed. There is no way

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
2008/5/29 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 29 May 2008, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: I just had an IRC conversation with Benjamin Schwarz in which we talked about: He said that 3,4, and 5 have been considered more serious than 1 and 2; since they are impossible, there is little point doing 1 and

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread david
On Thu, 29 May 2008, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: 2008/5/29 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 29 May 2008, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: I just had an IRC conversation with Benjamin Schwarz in which we talked about: He said that 3,4, and 5 have been considered more serious than 1 and 2; since they

OLPC Open Jam

2008-05-29 Thread Francesca Slade
If you are in the Boston area on a Saturday from 2-6 please come to our Open Jam, which is a public weekly meet up for people who are interested in getting involved in the program. Also feel free to forward this on to anyone else who might be interested. Try to send me an email to RSVP

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jameson Chema Quinn writes: Actually, the goals are more limited. Say you have dual-boot; OS 1 has bitfrost, OS 2 does not. Things OS 2 should not do: 1. Read private files from OS 1. ... 2. By writing to OS 1's file

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread david
On Thu, 29 May 2008, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: if you run everything as user olpc and user olpc can become root without a password, getting olpc is as good as getting root. An arbitrary process running as user olpc should not be able to get root. My impression is that it cannot,

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Donnerstag 29 Mai 2008 23:07:23 schrieb Edward Cherlin: The question was, how to protect Linux from Windows, in particular from malware allowed in by Windows. (Or possibly from malware designed into Windows, a marketing practice not unknown in the past.) Protecting Windows-only machines is

Re: Video from last week's country meetings.

2008-05-29 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Please let me know the exact URL you had trouble viewing, and double-check the sizes against the index listing on http://download.laptop.org/content/conf/20080520-country-wkshp/Video/2008-05-20/ to ensure you have the whole file. There are multiple versions of each talk, and it's possible

[X-Posted] Help with Amharic keyboard

2008-05-29 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hello everyone, Sorry for the cross posting, but can anyone tell me what the character on the key to the immediate lower left of the Enter key (as shown in http://wiki.laptop.org/images/8/8f/Ethiopic-B3.png) is ? The non Amharic characters on that are | and \, but I cannot figure out whether the

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 02:58:07PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: if you run everything as user olpc and user olpc can become root without a password, getting olpc is as good as getting root. An arbitrary process running as user olpc should not be able to get root. My impression is that

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:25:05PM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Donnerstag 29 Mai 2008 23:07:23 schrieb Edward Cherlin: The question was, how to protect Linux from Windows, in particular Why protect GNU/Linux from Windows? If people install Windows on their XOs, then it's their

Re: [OLPC Security] Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 05:53:49PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 02:58:07PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: In recent builds, any process running as user OLPC can execute code as uid 0 via the setuid-0 user-olpc-executable /usr/bin/sudo. A small correction: in recent

Re: [OLPC Security] Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 05:53:49PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 02:58:07PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: In recent builds, any process running as user OLPC can execute code as uid 0 via the

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Donnerstag 29 Mai 2008 23:58:04 schrieben Sie: Yes, you did (where have you been hiding =) ). Windows will come preinstalled on XO's at the client's request. And in developing countries the paying clients (ministries of eductaion, etc.) receive technical advice and counsel mostly from

Re: [OLPC Security] Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Bobby Powers
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 05:53:49PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 02:58:07PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: In recent

Re: Video from last week's country meetings.

2008-05-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
Thanks for your work, Scott. I should have said that I don't think anything I complained about was your doing. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:02 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Mon, 26 May 2008 14:58:06

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag 29 Mai 2008 23:07:23 schrieb Edward Cherlin: The question was, how to protect Linux from Windows, in particular from malware allowed in by Windows. (Or possibly from malware designed into Windows, a

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Freitag 30 Mai 2008 01:44:29 schrieb Edward Cherlin: I don't often write here, but at the moment I don't see why BitFrost should be used in the first case (except, because we _can_). Because of governments that will not buy unprotected laptops for schoolchildren. But they buy them with

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Freitag 30 Mai 2008 01:44:29 schrieb Edward Cherlin: I don't often write here, but at the moment I don't see why BitFrost should be used in the first case (except, because we _can_). Because of governments

Re: Cursor does not move left/right using touchpad on 2.6.22-20080123.4 and newer master kernels

2008-05-29 Thread Denver Gingerich
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do believe that, practically speaking, all of this is moot. Windows uses both SD card storage and the NAND flash storage. (NAND storage being

Re: [OLPC Security] Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Windows runs from an SD card, but there is not much space left on that SD card to store user files. User files are stored in NAND at the

Re: [OLPC Security] Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Carol Lerche
Microsoft either will or won't use the NAND for its own purposes. However a third option beyond the dual boot or engulf and devour choices so far described, for a deployment that is more school-centric and less oriented toward laptop autonomy than the OLPC vision, would be to use network file

Re: [OLPC Security] Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread david
On Thu, 29 May 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 05:53:49PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 02:58:07PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: In recent builds, any process running as