New joyride build 2230

2008-07-30 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2230 Changes in build 2230 from build: 2228 Size delta: 0.00M -xorg-x11-drv-geode 2.9.0-2.fc9 +xorg-x11-drv-geode 2.10.0-1.fc9 -cerebro 2.9.4-1.olpc3 +cerebro 2.9.8-1.olpc3 -boost 1.34.1-13.fc9 +boost 1.34.1-15.fc9 -coreutils

Re: specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-30 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Mikus, John, Michael et al, Thanks for testing some activities and noting that many are broken. This will certainly be a user problem! There was a thread on it two weeks ago: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/016501.html We didn't close it well. I can't speak effectively for

Re: TuxPaint woes (John Gilmore)

2008-07-30 Thread Greg Smith
Hi John and Michael, Thanks to John for raising these concerns and sticking with us after a frustrating first two experiences. SimCity has good traction in the user base and its a very high priority activity for us. On when the code is stable and frozen enough to do final regression testing

Re: CIS solar charging-correct list?

2008-07-30 Thread scott
Hi Edward, Given the essential need to charge in regions totally devoid of mains power (in our case inland New Guinea),the solar quest is naturally pretty crucial to the whole rollout. It's otherwise akin to being given a 4WD Mercedes, but with no ongoing fuel supply Yes, I am

Stability (was Re: TuxPaint woes)

2008-07-30 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 30.07.2008, at 13:20, Greg Smith wrote: On when the code is stable and frozen enough to do final regression testing of activities: Michael, Can we track that as a milestone? Is that code freeze (a.k.a. package-level change control) which is targeted (pending confirmation e-mail) for

What is the best way

2008-07-30 Thread Victor Lazzarini
... to connect the XO to a projector? Are there USB vga/etc cards known to work to with the XO? Thanks Victor Lazzarini Music Technology Laboratory Music Department National University of Ireland, Maynooth ___ Devel mailing list

Re: What is the best way

2008-07-30 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 30.07.2008, at 14:16, Victor Lazzarini wrote: ... to connect the XO to a projector? Are there USB vga/etc cards known to work to with the XO? See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Remote_display - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list

Re: What is the best way

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
bert wrote: On 30.07.2008, at 14:16, Victor Lazzarini wrote: ... to connect the XO to a projector? Are there USB vga/etc cards known to work to with the XO? See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Remote_display the sisusbvga.ko module would be another module (along with a

Re: specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-30 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 07:02 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Michael and team, Can we get documentation of all API changes (since 708 and 656) that affect activities ASAP? Are you talking about sugar APIs, or APIs for other library components present on the system which some activities may use?

Re: Notes from today's Release Meeting(s)

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:49:23PM -0700, S Page wrote: Michael Stone wrote: 5. Separately, I wish we were receiving even more volunteer testing. Can you help out? Fame, glory, and the undying gratitude of hundreds of thousands of children await you! Background: I'm just a G1G1. I don't

Re: specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-30 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Daniel, What I think we need is a list of all APIs relevant to activity developers (maybe libraries too?). You can parse it however you want. The two resources we do have, that I know of, are: 1.

Re: specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-30 Thread Erik Garrison
Greg, On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:03:41AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Hi Daniel, What I think we need is a list of all APIs relevant to activity developers (maybe libraries too?). You can parse it however you want. The potential size of that list is in the order of all software libraries

Activity versions in Activities/G1G1

2008-07-30 Thread Morgan Collett
Hi Scott, You edited the [[Activities/G1G1]] page to change Chat from 35 to 42 (http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Activities/G1G1diff=0oldid=147844). However the version of Chat in the G1G1 Activity Pack linked from that page is 35. There is unclarity on the talk page too:

Re: specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:03:41AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Hi Daniel, We need a list of anything that might break an activity. The list of things that have to work in order for an activity (particularly a networked one) to work is larger than the memory and comprehension of any individual

Re: specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-30 Thread Erik Garrison
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:03:52PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:03:41AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Hi Daniel, We need a list of anything that might break an activity. The list of things that have to work in order for an activity (particularly a networked one) to

Re: [sugar] specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-30 Thread Daniel Drake
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 17:09 -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Please ensure that you have filed tickets for each and every one of them What good will that do? We track issues through trac. Doing it through email is harder when you have a lot of email and a lot of issues. Filing a ticket

Re: Feedback from deployment lead

2008-07-30 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Greg, thanks for sending this one. Would be a good step forward if we found the way to connect field feedback to the testing team, so they can enter proper tickets that can track real improvements. I really hope that 9.1.0 will bring serious improvements regarding robustness of the datastore.

Re: [Testing] Random observations with joyride-2225 and latest activities

2008-07-30 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Sound like quite good points to me, can you make sure we have proper tickets for those? Thanks a lot, Tomeu On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Christoph Derndorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been running joyride-2225 with what I believe to be the latest versions (as per the update

Re: [sugar] Programming environments on the XO

2008-07-30 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Martin Sevior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:50 +1000, Martin Sevior wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 23:32 -0400, Brian Jordan wrote: The open source project Gobby also uses this sort of who-wrote-what text highlighting, SJ and I have

Re: [sugar] Programming environments on the XO

2008-07-30 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Martin Sevior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:50 +1000, Martin Sevior wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 23:32 -0400, Brian Jordan wrote: The open source project Gobby

suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
since i'm not sure which of these are known/expected/ alreadyfixed/beingignored, here are a few things i've noticed with suspend. i'll trac any that people think should, or comment existing trac if appropriate. disclaimer: some of this testing has been on my g1g1 machine, running 2159, XFCE

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 30 2008, at 14:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was caught saying: since i'm not sure which of these are known/expected/ alreadyfixed/beingignored, here are a few things i've noticed with suspend. i'll trac any that people think should, or comment existing trac if appropriate. disclaimer:

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:56:01AM -0700, Deepak Saxena wrote: On Jul 30 2008, at 14:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was caught saying: - gamepad keypresses aren't ignored during suspend. [...] However, I just did the following here: [...] And I don't see the character on console, which means it

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
deepak wrote: On Jul 30 2008, at 14:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was caught saying: since i'm not sure which of these are known/expected/ alreadyfixed/beingignored, here are a few things i've noticed with suspend. i'll trac any that people think should, or comment existing trac if

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread Richard A. Smith
Deepak Saxena wrote: The gamekeys go through PS2 so I'm guessing the EC is queeing that event for us. I can reproduce the same sort of behaviour with by switching to console on the XO, sleeping via /sys/power/state on serial console, and then hitting a keyboard key to wake up. On wakeup,

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
smith wrote: Deepak Saxena wrote: The gamekeys go through PS2 so I'm guessing the EC is queeing that event for us. I can reproduce the same sort of behaviour with by switching to console on the XO, sleeping via /sys/power/state on serial console, and then hitting a

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 30 2008, at 15:45, Richard A. Smith was caught saying: Deepak Saxena wrote: The gamekeys go through PS2 so I'm guessing the EC is queeing that event for us. I can reproduce the same sort of behaviour with by switching to console on the XO, sleeping via /sys/power/state on serial

New update.1 build 709

2008-07-30 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/olpc/streams/update.1/build709 Changes in build 709 from build: 708 Size delta: 0.00M -bootfw q2d16-1.olpc2.unsigned +bootfw q2e12-1.olpc2.unsigned -olpc-utils 0.74-1.olpc2 +olpc-utils 0.74-2.olpc2 --- Changes for bootfw q2e12-1.olpc2.unsigned from

Re: CIS solar charging-correct list?

2008-07-30 Thread Stan. SWAN
Scott: Thanks for this solar net one info, which (as an electronic guru) impresses me. Are those PV arrays 600 Watts?? Yikes- allow ~US$3k for these alone (about the annual salary for a teacher in many downtrodden areas). Double this for the battery bank! Maintenance? IMHO such a solar scheme is

Re: [sugar] Notes from today's Release Meeting(s)

2008-07-30 Thread Gary C Martin
On 30 Jul 2008, at 15:59, Michael Stone wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:49:23PM -0700, S Page wrote: I'm not so sure. If you want more testing, just publicize as above. I didn't hear about candidate builds until I started following devel and figured out the wiki's green Latest

Collaboration Requirements

2008-07-30 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, I wrote up some collaboration requirements to help get us to a definition of collaboration support that teachers can use in schools. This is my first somewhat rigorous requirements definition for OLPC so comments on style as well as substance are welcome. I will take one round of

Re: Evince (was Re: New joyride build 2222)

2008-07-30 Thread Chris Marshall
S Page wrote: Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Noticed that sugar-evince 2.20.1.1-3.olpc3 brought in poppler 0.6.2-5.olpc3, which is 3 MB. I think 8.1.0 and 8.1.1 have the same dependency (on poppler-0.6.2.4-olpc2). Evince needs Poppler to render PDFs.

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
talking with richard just now i realized that there's been a bit of disconnect, at least on my part, in understanding our current suspend design. i was complaining that keypresses were arriving while my machine was suspended. richard pointed out that it's meant to work that way. my use-case was

Re: [sugar] Random observations with joyride-2225 and latest activities

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 03:05:18PM -0400, Daniel Drake wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 09:32 +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: a) Record: using v56 the activity starts up fine, the display shows whatever the camera is capturing, I can go into fullscreen-mode, switch to different tabs, etc.

Re: CIS solar charging-correct list?

2008-07-30 Thread scott
Hi Stan, On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Stan. SWAN wrote: Scott: Thanks for this solar net one info, which (as an electronic guru) impresses me. Thanks. We have been refining it a bit also. Are those PV arrays 600 Watts?? Yikes- allow ~US$3k for these alone (about the annual salary for a teacher in

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread Richard A. Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, while i still think there may be bugs (in that i think i get keypresses even when i've told the system that keypresses shouldn't wake me up -- but i'll doublecheck that), there's clearly a terminology problem: suspend and sleep have too many meanings, and none

Re: Newer ds-backup-client RPMs for joyride...

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
Martin, When releasing ds-backup revisions, please update documentation like http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ds-backup Sorry that I forgot as well! Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Collaboration Requirements

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 05:21:34PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: This is my first somewhat rigorous requirements definition for OLPC so comments on style as well as substance are welcome. This feels very similar to an RFC. Take a look at RFC 2223 Instructions to RFC Authors and think about whether you

Re: [sugar] specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-30 Thread Bastien
Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: recent joyrides include an activity updater which should help with this. And you guys could get rid of the scary red warning on the wiki :) on which page? See the barking here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Update.1_Software_Release_Notes

joyride-weekly: joyride-2230

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, This week's 'please test this joyride' is joyride-2230. Test group release notes, care of Charlie, are available at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_Group_Release_Notes#Build_Joyride_2230 I'll push this announcement out further as discussed in last night's email as soon as I'm

Re: Newer ds-backup-client RPMs for joyride...

2008-07-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When releasing ds-backup revisions, please update documentation like http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ds-backup Looks like we've both updated the page :-) m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting

Re: Collaboration Requirements

2008-07-30 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Dear Greg and Michael, It seems to me that we spend more time discussing things, instead of implementing them. The issue of scalability in large ad-hoc networks has been around for more than a decade and some pretty descent research results have been out there for several years now. Even if

Re: Collaboration Requirements

2008-07-30 Thread Gary C Martin
On 31 Jul 2008, at 01:07, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 05:21:34PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: It was well promoted and teachers on the sur list have repeatedly asked for a definition of how to use it successfully. Insofar as we make no use of our own collaborative technology as

Solar charging-personal versus central etc.

2008-07-30 Thread Stan. SWAN
Scott- thanks for the informative reply. I've long been an enormous PV fan- you couldn't really ask for a better technology- and have become even more so with global energy hikes, the arrival of CIS/CIGS PVs. Low voltage,long life rugged ultrabright white LEDs are now threatening to make CFLs

New joyride build 2233

2008-07-30 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2233 Changes in build 2233 from build: 2232 Size delta: -1.97M -etoys 3.0.2059-1 +etoys 3.0.2068-1 -squeak-vm 3.10-3olpc6 +squeak-vm 3.10-3olpc7 --- Changes for etoys 3.0.2068-1 from 3.0.2059-1 --- + Allow to configure Squeaklet

Update-server - showing too many files?

2008-07-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, I'm looking some more at the update-server sw, and also looking at how rsync://updates.laptop.org behaves, and what olpc-update uses. Right now, the server publishes a top-level 'root' directory, which is what the client seems to be looking for, and also a number of other things that

Re: Collaboration Requirements

2008-07-30 Thread Ricardo Carrano
Dear Pol, Greg and Michael, There is so much going on here that it's difficult to approach. I mostly second Michael's comments. Though Greg obviously took a lot of his time to put these goals together, I think we are missing the target. It's good to have goals such as 40 XOs being able to chat

Re: Solar charging-personal versus central etc.

2008-07-30 Thread scott
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Stan. SWAN wrote: Scott- thanks for the informative reply. No problem. I've long been an enormous PV fan- you couldn't really ask for a better technology- I concur. and have become even more so with global energy hikes, the arrival of CIS/CIGS PVs. The uni-solar

Re: [Server-devel] ds-backup - help with a trial happening right now

2008-07-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People do occasionally volunteer, you know. It's fine to say that _you_ are too busy, but please don't speak for everyone. Good point. In any case, there's better hope on devel@ where people know more about the XO sw :-)

[Server-devel] Update-server - showing too many files?

2008-07-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, I'm looking some more at the update-server sw, and also looking at how rsync://updates.laptop.org behaves, and what olpc-update uses. Right now, the server publishes a top-level 'root' directory, which is what the client seems to be looking for, and also a number of other things that