Re: [Olpc-uruguay] Convocatoria al Ceibal Jam 2: El sábado próximo, vení a programar!

2008-08-25 Thread Fernando da Rosa
Entre los días 25 a 28 de septiembre inclusive, se estarán realizando en la Regional Norte de la Universidad de la República las III Jornadas de Educación y TIC, la XO una herramienta para apropiarse de la tecnología. Las mismas cuentan además con el apoyo de la varias instituciones de Salto,

Re: Almost 50% less free memory in joyride-2302 compared with Update.1 (708)

2008-08-25 Thread riccardo
On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 21:31 +1000, James Cameron wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:01:07PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:47 PM, James Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Btw it's a shame that the python processes are grouped all together. I wonder if we

Request: Jabber server for developers

2008-08-25 Thread Morgan Collett
The default jabber server in jhbuild, olpc.collabora.co.uk, isn't usable at the moment since it is being used to test Gadget - so it doesn't have a shared roster. Many of the community servers aren't working. The issue is that their databases become overloaded once too many people register, and

Re: Devel Digest, Vol 30, Issue 119

2008-08-25 Thread Mitch Bradley
Bert Freudenberg wrote: Am 24.08.2008 um 11:39 schrieb Hilaire Fernandes: I am at the Smalltalk Camp in Amsterdam, with SqueakNOS colleagues we try to start XO machine with SqueakNOS operating system. We don't find the key sequence to boot on USB. We will keep searching but if

Re: Devel Digest, Vol 30, Issue 121

2008-08-25 Thread Mitch Bradley
paul fox wrote: mitch wrote: Open Firmware can boot ELF binaries directly. Put your .elf file in the root directory on a USB key that is formatted with either a FAT filesystem (preferred) or an ext2 filesystem. Then, on an unsecured XO laptop, type: ok boot

Re: #7893 -- Presence service gets confused.

2008-08-25 Thread Sjoerd Simons
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 01:56:51PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Folks, #7893 was recently upgraded to release-blocker status since it is reported to afflict the Neighborhood view independent of the use of Gabble or Salut and since no reasonable workarounds are known. Please help investigate.

Re: Fructose 8.2 some activities have not been branched

2008-08-25 Thread Morgan Collett
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 18:41, Korakurider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I noticed that Calculate and Pippy have not been branched in repository while other Fructose 8.2 activities were. Actually, when I pushed translations for Calculate of Fructose82 on Pootle, that was committed to

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread George Hunt
I wasn't really thinking that you folks doing the core software would have time for a UI of any kind right now. I think I could create an Activity which would be obsoleted once a WebDAV solution is in place. I've been wanting to create an Activity that would add value and bridge the MS-linux gap.

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:37 PM, George Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been wanting to create an Activity that would add value and bridge the MS-linux gap. I discovered that pyNeighborhood is open sourced, written in python, uses gtk, runs on the XO, discovers a diverse MS network, and in

Re: Is it possible to boot alternative OS from an USB stick?

2008-08-25 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Any pointer to what is OFW? I don't find it in the wiki. Hilaire ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: olpc.fth and OFW api docs

2008-08-25 Thread pgf
mitch wrote: paul fox wrote: mitch wrote: Open Firmware can boot ELF binaries directly. Put your .elf file in the root directory on a USB key that is formatted with either a FAT filesystem (preferred) or an ext2 filesystem. Then, on an unsecured XO laptop, type:

Re: Is it possible to boot alternative OS from an USB stick?

2008-08-25 Thread pgf
hilaire wrote: Any pointer to what is OFW? I don't find it in the wiki. search for Open Firmware. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Open_Firmware paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: olpc.fth and OFW api docs

2008-08-25 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 25.08.2008 um 16:11 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mitch wrote: paul fox wrote: mitch wrote: Open Firmware can boot ELF binaries directly. Put your .elf file in the root directory on a USB key that is formatted with either a FAT filesystem (preferred) or an ext2 filesystem. Then, on an

Re: Is it possible to boot alternative OS from an USB stick?

2008-08-25 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 25.08.2008 um 16:14 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hilaire wrote: Any pointer to what is OFW? I don't find it in the wiki. search for Open Firmware. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Open_Firmware Something is severely wrong with the wiki search box. This page works fine:

Re: Is it possible to boot alternative OS from an USB stick?

2008-08-25 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Yes, I finally found it with google. Where is the XO hardaware data spec? Could the driver be piloted throught the firmware. The SqueakNOS people write the driver directly in Smalltalk. Hilaire 2008/8/25 Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am 25.08.2008 um 16:14 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Re: Is it possible to boot alternative OS from an USB stick?

2008-08-25 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 25.08.2008 um 16:59 schrieb Hilaire Fernandes: Yes, I finally found it with google. Where is the XO hardaware data spec? Could the driver be piloted throught the firmware. Yes, as Mitch wrote in his message. IIRC OFW has drivers for all the XO's hardware. - Bert - The SqueakNOS

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread George Hunt
Martin, thanks for your thoughtful responses. I have a lot of reading to do to get up to speed on WebDAV, server discovery, jabber, etc. There are so many portable ways of doing things that it's not worth spending 5 miuntes in thinking about unportable solutions. I'm not sure I agree that a SMB

[Announce] XO / Sugar Book Sprint

2008-08-25 Thread Simon Schampijer
---please forgive crossposts--- XO / Sugar Book Sprint This week in Austin, Texas a team of writers are gathering together to immerse themselves in a one week intensive documentation jam. The purpose of the Book Sprint is to produce documentation in 1 week to support the forthcoming 2008

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread david
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: Printing will probably be handled via cups. We are missing a lot of infrastructure there (automagic configuration, quota mgmt, some admin tools, ui), and it does make sense to start building it. Just not using platform-specific tools - cups can take

Re: Request: Jabber server for developers

2008-08-25 Thread Seth Woodworth
I cleaned up some of the Jabber pages on the wiki last night: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Jabber http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_Jabber_Servers http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Run_a_Jabber_Server I also added a wiki navigation header in a template: {{jabber}} My plan/goal was to provide ''Running a

Re: Request: Jabber server for developers

2008-08-25 Thread Morgan Collett
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 20:31, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cleaned up some of the Jabber pages on the wiki last night: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Jabber http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_Jabber_Servers http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Run_a_Jabber_Server I also added a wiki

Re: Regressions(?) in latest joyride build 2321, 2323

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 02:54:54PM -0400, Ton van Overbeek wrote: [...] On the neighborhood view and in the frame there is no longer a Disconnect option after you associate an AP. [...] Is the removal of the 'Disconnect' option intentional? There will be no 'Disconnect' option because

Re: Request: Jabber server for developers

2008-08-25 Thread Sameer Verma
Seth Woodworth wrote: I cleaned up some of the Jabber pages on the wiki last night: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Jabber http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_Jabber_Servers http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Run_a_Jabber_Server I also added a wiki navigation header in a template: {{jabber}} My

Re: Regressions(?) in latest joyride build 2321, 2323

2008-08-25 Thread Ton van Overbeek
Martin Dengler wrote; On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 02:54:54PM -0400, Ton van Overbeek wrote: [...] On the neighborhood view and in the frame there is no longer a Disconnect option after you associate an AP. [...] Is the removal of the 'Disconnect' option intentional?

Re: Regressions(?) in latest joyride build 2321, 2323

2008-08-25 Thread Ricardo Carrano
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Ton van Overbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When trying the latest joyride builds (last one I tried was 2331) I noticed the following regressions (firmware Q2E14): - As many have already reported the mesh device msh0 is gone. This caused cerebro to abort and

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread Gary Oberbrunner
George Hunt wrote: I think the interface should just work, without installing anything. But I realize this is a touchy subject. I'm willing to go along with the general thinking on the issue. I think a just works solution for M$ machines, i.e. SMB/CIFS, would be huge. Everyone knows how to

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread Joel Rees
I'm debating with myself whether to send this, because I don't want to make people mad, with the result of closed minds, but sometimes you have to be politically incorrect: On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:24 AM, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: George Hunt wrote: I think the interface should just work,

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Joel Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm debating with myself whether to send this, because I don't want to make people mad, with the result of closed minds, but sometimes you have to be politically incorrect: I think this will be resolved by whomever implements

Re: Request: Jabber server for developers

2008-08-25 Thread Seth Woodworth
The big benefit of having an Infrastructure-Gang that can administer a jabber server (or several virtual ones) is that more than one person can fix it if it breaks. I could also foresee an irc bot that resides on an XO somewhere and lets the Infrastructure-Gang irc channel (#olpc-admin) know if

Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
Discussing the activity installer/updater control panel and olpc-update (a few days before) one design assumption from the XO team was very strong: that network clients on the XO could just ignore the XS and attempt direct connections to the desired host and service. If the XS is there, the logic

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread Robert Howard
My self and a number of G1G1 users, currently use boa for transferring files. It is a light weight web server. I see no need for SMB/CIFS . Now WebDAV sounds interesting. Now to clean up the copy to Journal and copy from Journal scripts On Aug 25, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Martin Langhoff

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread david
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: - Do HTTP clients using a proxy do not perform DNS lookups? My understanding is that they do not, but I am not 100% certain of whether this is specified, and how actual clients behave. many clients do still do the DNS lookups. it's possible to

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: - Do HTTP clients using a proxy do not perform DNS lookups? My understanding is that they do not, but I am not 100% certain of whether this is specified, and how actual clients behave.

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread Albert Cahalan
Martin Langhoff writes: In that sense, it is very simple - as a programmer, if I am going to spend significant time working on a feature like this I want it to 1 - work for the deployments - this is the most important thing! 2 - work for G1G1 users too - they are the donors and enthusiasts!

XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-25 Thread Douglas Bagnall
In the course of making an activity server for the XS, I have looked at the activity.info files of 114 bundles from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities. One (Berkeley Logo) turned out not to be a bundle at all, and otherwise the tags I found were: name 113 icon

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1 - work for the deployments - this is the most important thing! 2 - work for G1G1 users too - they are the donors and enthusiasts! 3 - work for the developers - otherwise it won't get attention and bugfixes 4 - work in

using wiki pageviews per country of origin to motivate translations

2008-08-25 Thread Erik Garrison
It has recently come to my attention that the majority of the traffic on the wiki is coming from Uruguay XO users (students it seems). Could we track, or are we already tracking, pageviews per page by country of origin on wiki.laptop.org? It would be an extremely useful metric in deciding which

increased transient traffic in #olpc-ayuda

2008-08-25 Thread Erik Garrison
In recent weeks there has been a marked increase of guests in #olpc-ayuda. Here is a typical session: 20:57 -!- NombreCambiado-1c42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #olpc-ayuda 20:58 NombreCambiado-1c42 hola soy _ . nopuedo ver videos 21:06 -!- NombreCambiado-1c42 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: increased transient traffic in #olpc-ayuda

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: considering implementing a helpbot there to explain ways to seek help Good idea! Do point them to a mailing list - IRC is an incredibly bad way to get support. You get no answers, or answers from whomever is there at the

how can communications mode be manually controlled ?

2008-08-25 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Recently there has been extensive discussion of this on trac, on sugar, and on devel. What I have gathered from that discussion: 1) To turn OFF both communication with the mesh and communication with the AP, use the control panel. But the control panel only has a checkbox for

Re: [sugar] how can communications mode be manually controlled ?

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:48:02AM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: 1) To turn OFF both communication with the mesh and communication with the AP, use the control panel. Either Network -- Radio or Power -- Extreme Power Management seemed to work for me. But the control panel only

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread david
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: - Do HTTP clients using a proxy do not perform DNS lookups? My understanding is that they do not, but I am not 100% certain of whether this is

Re: [Server-devel] Ubuntu XS To: Michael Stone

2008-08-25 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 03:23:45PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: The main challenge with using Debian or something besides Fedora is that you would have to install and support the code separately. This may be an acceptable cost given the high Debian packaging experience within the volunteer base

Re: [Server-devel] Ubuntu XS To: Michael Stone

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:36 PM, James Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 03:23:45PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: The main challenge with using Debian or something besides Fedora is that you would have to install and support the code separately. This may be an acceptable

[Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
Discussing the activity installer/updater control panel and olpc-update (a few days before) one design assumption from the XO team was very strong: that network clients on the XO could just ignore the XS and attempt direct connections to the desired host and service. If the XS is there, the logic

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread david
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: - Do HTTP clients using a proxy do not perform DNS lookups? My understanding is that they do not, but I am not 100% certain of whether this is specified, and how actual clients behave. many clients do still do the DNS lookups. it's possible to

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread david
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: - Do HTTP clients using a proxy do not perform DNS lookups? My understanding is that they do not, but I am not 100% certain of whether this is