Yes, please :) If I'm not mistaken that would mean the laptops build
a mesh automatically so we could finally test our shiny new IPv6
bits, right?
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On Jun 30, 2007, at 14:10 , Kim Quirk wrote:
It looks like we may need/want to get the latest Marvell firmware
and all known flag
On Jul 15, 2007, at 14:40 , Jean Piché wrote:
Hello all,
After trial-2 madness has passed, we have to make a serious audio
decision: we really need a system-wide audio sample library. I
suspect many activities that use sounds (including our own) will be
blocked if a decision is not made.
On Jul 15, 2007, at 14:40 , Jean Piché wrote:
A good sample set is not trivial to put together. The problem of
licencing is also specially thorny in our case. Some of the public
domain sounds used in TamTam may have slight restrictions and we will
need to adress this before FRS. Whatever
On Jul 21, 2007, at 22:06 , Simon McVittie wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 at 17:18:39 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Comment (by dcbw):
You don't actually need Tubes here. Each activity has it's own
text
channel (even if it doesn't have tubes), which is what we were
going to
use to do
On Jul 22, 2007, at 8:33 , Bernardo Innocenti wrote:
Jim Gettys wrote:
I think these are fixed in current builds. Bernie?
Let's get together Monday and verify.
The righthand game keys have been assigned to KP_HOME, KP_END,
KP_PREV and PK_NEXT for some time.
They do not yet rotate with
On Jul 22, 2007, at 15:47 , Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Jul 22, 2007, at 14:55 , Tibi wrote:
you can't update to an older version. The fact is that I have 528
on my laptop but I'm not able to enter SUGAR or tty. How do you
downgrade???
Just rename your nand528 to nand529. or 999 or whatever
On Jul 22, 2007, at 15:45 , Bernardo Innocenti wrote:
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Is there a binding for the view source key yet?
On new keyboards, the key has moved to FN+space.
Is any of the existing X keysyms appropriate for it?
I have no idea.
- Bert
you I even translated a good part of it in
Romanian, is not that. The algorithm presented there doesn't work
for me... :(
It must be something I can do.
Tibi
On 7/23/07, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The
auto update boot script supports both nand1234.img and
os123456.img
On Jul 27, 2007, at 14:04 , Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'll take the opportunity to ask what advantages
does OpenBIOS offer over LinuxBIOS.
Google for Open Firmware.
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On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:31 , Albert Cahalan wrote:
On 8/1/07, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unless you have B2-1's, I'd recommend most developers be using
current
development builds, such as 541.
I'm fairly sure the B2-1 is exactly what I have.
Bug number?
2278
How bad?
Very.
, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi
everyone,
is the roadmap up to date?
http://dev.laptop.org/roadmap
In particular the dates in it?
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On Sep 18, 2007, at 10:45 , Don Hopkins wrote:
This is #3352: https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3352
What's special about this page is that the clock applet uses two
very wide bitmaps of 3200 pixels each to represent the clock arms
in all
possible positions. (that's over 2MB of RAM wasted,
.
- Jim
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 11:30 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Well, if the XO's calculator activity can take 20 MB RAM (+10MB
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On Sep 18, 2007, at 13:53 , Jim Gettys wrote:
Even so, right now we'll find lots more RAM consumed that we'd
like, due
to how python loads modules; we have schemes for fixing this using
fork
and copy on write.
Last time I talked to Ivan that's not going to be possible (in the
Any reason this cannot be made public?
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On Sep 18, 2007, at 17:23 , John Watlington wrote:
Marco,
I apologize that this was discussed at a school server meeting
and we didn't
point you at the results.
Details are at:
On Sep 20, 2007, at 23:06 , Eben Eliason wrote:
Specifically, the first 6 icons from the left should be (in order):
Chat, Browse, Write, Record, Paint, TamtamJam?
After that:
Turtle Art, eToys, Pippy, Calculator, Measure, TamTamEdit?,
SynthLab?, Memorize, Blockparty, and Connect4.
-
On Sep 25, 2007, at 16:57 , Zarro Boogs per Child wrote:
Comment(by Eben):
We should use a non-modal dialog to indicate that there
are incomplete downloads when stopping a Browse session. We could
provide
options to Pause download (assuming we have resume support),
Cancel
On Sep 25, 2007, at 17:29 , Eben Eliason wrote:
Well, sort of.
Generally speaking, it's OK to show confirmation dialogs when there
are ongoing processes (downloads, video compression, export
operations, etc.) which will be interrupted/terminated by stopping the
activity. It's possible
On Sep 25, 2007, at 17:56 , Zarro Boogs per Child wrote:
Changes (by Eben):
As far as I'm aware, alt-gr is used for translating the keys to an
alternate character set. It is also possible to lock the keyboard
into
the alternate character set as well, for typing in another
language.
On Sep 26, 2007, at 14:07 , Jim Gettys wrote:
Sugarizing the existing X based version is a small task.
Small compared to writing a VGA emulator anyway.
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I for one would prefer if these discussions were taken to a different
mailing list. OLPC-open seems fitting, unless there is a specific
OLPC-Customers list.
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On Sep 27, 2007, at 16:23 , big one wrote:
In 1990s IBM released a Windows NT competitor called OS/2 that can
run MS-DOS,
It's a bit hard to see what changed when in the builds. I now wrote a
tiny script (run by cron) to aggregate the change log entries:
http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/changelogs
Would be nice to have something similar in the download directory
directly, but for now this solves my problem.
On Sep 28, 2007, at 9:51 , Zarro Boogs per Child wrote:
Ticket URL: https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3221#comment:6
I wonder if comparative studies have been made with the XO screen? My
gut feeling is that it is more comparable to paper-based text books
than CRTs. Now Colbert says gut feeling
On Sep 29, 2007, at 20:22 , Bernardo Innocenti wrote:
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Would be simple to add to the script, although there always is the
possibility of the script running amok. Maybe the buildmeister could
send out the logs manually? But if there is interest and no
objections, I
On Sep 29, 2007, at 21:37 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Build 609 ChangeLog
Base OS:
- kernel - 2.6.22 - 638cc4e1b9be8e0
* FB: GEODE: be more aggressive in fb_blank, turning
* GEODE: FB: update DC locking
* OLPC: dcon: call fb_blank rather than fb_power{up,down}
On Sep 30, 2007, at 16:23 , Yuan Chao wrote:
On 9/30/07, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem with serifs is that they often should be smaller
than a pixel for typical screen and font sizes. Well, that is
Sure. But only in reflective mono mode.
Anti-aliasing, which
On Oct 5, 2007, at 20:13 , Wilhelm Fitzpatrick wrote:
I've begun to experiment with OPLC images under VMware and Qemu. So
far, with all the images I've tried, (546, 609, 613), the system font
being used in Sugar is insanely small, to the point of near
unreadability.
Via googling, I was
On Oct 5, 2007, at 21:12 , David Feldman wrote:
I just installed the OLPC software in VMWare and Qemu, but the font
size
is so small that I have trouble reading it. My understanding is that
this is an emulation (screen resolution) issue and it'll be a lot
larger
on the actual OLPC?
On Oct 7, 2007, at 0:08 , Bernardo Innocenti wrote:
Mitch Bradley wrote:
One solution would be to include a lot of keymaps in OFW and
select one
based on the new KL tag. However, I'm not keen on having to carry
around a lot of keymaps in the ROM, and extend that list from time
to
screen resolution to the standard 1200x900 or something
close to it? I've tried various tweaks to xorg.conf based on some
information on the wiki, but it always comes up 1024x768.
Thanks again,
--Dave
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Oct 5, 2007, at 21:12 , David Feldman wrote:
I just
On Oct 9, 2007, at 8:15 , Albert Cahalan wrote:
I notice that some keyboards lack the multiplication
and division symbols. Providing them for all kids
would be good, even if they need to move elsewhere.
Why those? They are not used universally. At least German kids are
taught to use ·
On Oct 9, 2007, at 16:46 , Mitchell N Charity wrote:
To get 1200x900 when running under emulation, you can use Xephry as
a remote X display.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Emulating_the_XO/
Help_and_tips#Run_a_Xephyr_remote_X_display
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/
On Oct 10, 2007, at 12:17 , ankita prasad wrote:
Hi,
Is there a graceful of restarting sugar that does not involve
killing X windows with killall X on the OLPC?
Not more graceful but faster to press: but ctrl-alt-erase
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On Oct 11, 2007, at 19:04 , Victor Lazzarini wrote:
Not in build 602 I presume (as it does not work here). Will
upgrade and test (but Dan's solution works fine).
Victor
At 17:13 11/10/2007, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Oct 11, 2007, at 15:59 , Dan
I made a little script to list package changes between joyride builds:
http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pkgs
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This now shows the latest changelog entry for rpms in the joyride
repo, too:
http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pkgs
Unfortunately, sugar rpms do not have sensible change log entries.
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On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:31 , Bert Freudenberg wrote:
It's right
On Oct 25, 2007, at 16:04 , Kim Quirk wrote:
For individual activities we will always want people to be able to
download from a website pretty much at any time, so further
development and features to activities, should continue to be
planned and released outside of the olpc schedule.
14. Schedule: The upcoming releases have been renamed and re-purposed:
Oct. 26: Trial-3 (Build 622) are the bits being loaded for mass
production. This was completed this week.
Nov. 16: Reload are bits that could possibly be loaded before
shipping laptops to individuals. We will
On Oct 27, 2007, at 16:10 , Xavier Alvarez wrote:
People,
We are in the process of setting up a localization server for the
activities (hopefully in the last stages), and we need the POT
files to:
- exist (in a /po directory of the d.l.o git project directory)
- be upto date (make sure
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Changes (by jg):
* cc: sj (added)
* status: new = closed
* resolution: = invalid
Comment:
Closing due to lack of interest on the part of the reporter...
Comments like this discourage reporting bugs.
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On Oct 28, 2007, at 21:34 , Bernardo Innocenti wrote:
Mitch Bradley wrote:
Perhaps we should reconsider the wisdom of hourly builds, or quit
sending hourly change reports, or something.
...or not running new builds unless the datestamps of the source
directories say something has
regularly scheduled
programming. (no pun intended, of course :)
On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 09:38:42PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Oct 28, 2007, at 21:34 , Bernardo Innocenti wrote:
Mitch Bradley wrote:
Perhaps we should reconsider the wisdom of hourly builds, or quit
sending hourly change
at 17:49 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Oct 28, 2007, at 17:37 , Zarro Boogs per Child wrote:
Changes (by jg):
* cc: sj (added)
* status: new = closed
* resolution: = invalid
Comment:
Closing due to lack of interest on the part of the reporter...
Comments like
Pah, looks like it tried every 15 minutes over night but did not stop
sending out mails ...
I now changed the script to only send out mail when a new successful
build is found that actually has any changed package versions.
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On Oct 28, 2007, at 22:24 , Bert Freudenberg wrote
properly triaging a bug report takes 5 to 20 minutes of either
Jim or Kim's
time, followed by more time from the developer to which it is
assigned.
Users reporting the bug get the easy part of the task!
John
On Oct 29, 2007, at 2:52 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
I've had comments like
Depends on your targeted Sugar version, which are not compatible with
each other.
In the old days, that is, the software that is going to be put into
mass production, a.k.a. build 622, you had to execute an activity
factory that would then run instances of your activity. This is
obsolete
On Oct 29, 2007, at 9:35 , Waqas Toor wrote:
Hello ,
but i was able to run the application from the terminal using gij
command
and it works fine ...
so is there a way that i could bundle it
Of course. The XO bundle format and Sugar were designed to work fine
independent of your
for now might be to review the
packages and
have someone else get them into Fedora. Build manager also needs to
keep
ontop of olpc-cla to make sure it goes through if needed.
owner: bertf(Bert Freudenberg)
tmprepo:
etoys-2.1.1664-1.noarch.rpm
squeak-vm-3.9-11olpc5.i386.rpm
Versions
On Oct 30, 2007, at 3:01 , C. Scott Ananian wrote:
A signed image for build 623 is at:
http://dev.laptop.org/~cscott/signed-623/
for those of you testing with security enabled.
If I want to test with security enabled - can I still get out without
a developer key? If not, what's the
Apparently all tickets have been mass-moved from the former 1.0
milestone to 1.1, without leaving a trace in the individual
ticket's changelogs. Since no tickets for Etoys are left in the
upcoming milestone, can I go home now?
Anybody care to explain what's going on?
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, and then close it if the reporter does not bother to
even acknowledge the request for more information.
Is this reasonable, or not?
- Jim
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 03:17 -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
Bert Freudenberg writes:
I've had comments like this on some of my own
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Build_system
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On Oct 30, 2007, at 17:40 , Erik Blankinship wrote:
I apologize if I missed the announcement on how activities get into
the various new builds.
In the past, we would assign trac tickets to J5.
What do we do now?
On 10/30/07, Build
On Oct 30, 2007, at 17:55 , Ivan Krstić wrote:
* please send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why email? Email tends to be a black hole, whereas using a Trac
ticket allows to track progress and makes sure things are not forgotten.
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Eben Eliason writes:
Roughly speaking, you can calculate a colored pixel's effective
luminance by:
Y = 0.3*R+0.59*G+0.11*B
To be clear on why this is rough: it performs an operation
on non-linear data which is only valid on linear data.
On Nov 2, 2007, at 1:39 , Brian Carnes wrote:
I'm intentionally overlooking some of the suggestions from the list
to go
rewrite existing applications to run better on the Geode, mostly
because
the above gives us more bang for our development-time-buck.
Short of rewriting, should simply
On Nov 2, 2007, at 3:28 , Walter Bender wrote:
1. File-path compliance means that you must ensure your activity
does not write to any path outside of that contained in the
environment variable SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT; specifically
subdirectories called 'data', 'conf' and 'tmp' within the
See http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pkgs.html
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On Nov 7, 2007, at 4:51 , Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
Michael Stone wrote:
I note that Clock doesn't work at all (Stays in Starting...
forever),
If you look at /home/olpc/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log you'll see
that
Clock is crashing during startup trying to find 'clock.svg'.
Heads
On Nov 7, 2007, at 16:52 , Michael Stone wrote:
$SAR/instance seems like a safer place to me because there will be no
concurrency issues, but I have no plans to start the Apocalyse if
someone tries to check in a file from $SAR/data. :)
Okay, makes it simpler for me.
Incidentally, how do
On Nov 7, 2007, at 4:23 , Zarro Boogs per Child wrote:
Activities should only create files in $SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/data (for
persistent data), in $SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/instance (for
transmission to
and from the DS, basically), and in $SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/tmp (for
small
bits of
On Nov 7, 2007, at 21:45 , Build Announcer Script wrote:
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Looks like the mail queue was unclogged finally :) Guess #4598 can be
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On Nov 8, 2007, at 16:51 , Jim Gettys wrote:
I sympathize with Albert's point here: we should be no more
incompatible
than we have to be... Just because we have to break some things,
doesn't mean we have to break everything.
- Jim
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On Nov 8, 2007, at 18:09 , Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
Though applications backwards compatibility just doesn't make sense in
this context. We consciously broke it with the high level design, both
of the user experience and of the security framework.
That's not the point. The point is how hard
if that helps... :-)
Gruss.
On Nov 11, 2007 11:22 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I made a disk image of the latest stable build (623 [1]) that works
for me in Parallels Desktop (build 3124 [2]).
The disk image has enough room (I padded the img to a full 1 GB),
runs
Btw, this diff is actually relative to build 625.
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On Nov 12, 2007, at 6:57 , Build Announcer Script wrote:
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/update1/build630/
devel_jffs2/
-abyssinica-fonts.noarch 0:1.0-1.fc7
+abyssinica-fonts.noarch 0:1.0-1.olpc2
-acl.i386
Just want to let the German subscribers know that there is now a
German OLPC mailing list:
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-de
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On Nov 14, 2007, at 22:37 , Eben Eliason wrote:
I'm talking, really, about interaction overhead. In order to see the
current time I should press a key, or make a gesture with the mouse,
or something similar. I shouldn't have to find the clock activity
wherever that might be, click to launch
In fact, you *only* need a shell account.
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On Nov 15, 2007, at 23:11 , Owen Williams wrote:
oh I thought it would be done through ftp.
Then I'll also need one shell account for ywwg so I can feel the joy,
please.
owen
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 22:59 +0100, Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Nov 16, 2007, at 6:15 , Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/Clock.004.pr
One way or another, please load it onto Etoys (on a non-XO
environment, drag-and-drop from Finder or Explorer. On XO, access the
URL with browse, copy it to a USB memory and resume it
On Nov 16, 2007, at 14:10 , Ed Montgomery wrote:
As
mentioned, any poster who wants to discuss education,
philosophy, etc. email me personally, and stop
cluttering up a dev conference with such drivel.
Too bad there is no forum I am aware of that discusses education in
this education
On Nov 16, 2007, at 13:44 , Walter Bender wrote:
Etoys can view Powerpoint
Not quite (but I admit Etoys is so rich that even I cannot remember
everything). As far as I know, you can export Powerpoint slides to a
series of images, and import them in Etoys to recreate the presentation.
and
You can see what software is installed in the build logs, e.g.
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build286/
devel_jffs2/build.log
and you can verify it works by emulation:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Emulating_the_XO
The cwd is set to your activity's bundle directory, so you
On Nov 16, 2007, at 21:13 , nick knouf wrote:
On Nov 16, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
Well, it seems that you are responding to a wrong message.
Not really; if the question is whether or not there is a clock
application that is standard on the laptop, implicit there is a
On Nov 17, 2007, at 0:21 , Mitch Bradley wrote:
This is a Color of the Bikeshed issue.
Give it a rest.
The clock discussion is, you're right.
Reminding everyone that we set out to create an environment for kids
to explore and construct is not. It's perplexing how few developers
seem to
On Nov 20, 2007, at 20:43 , Jim Gettys wrote:
Joyride and Update.1 were synchronized as of Monday evening,
November 21.
I guess you made a sign error when subtracting 1 from today and meant
Nov. 19th.
But, more importantly - could you let us know what the plan is with
Update.1? I see
On current builds the tablet seems to be disabled completely (which
makes sense at it was not really supported anyway).
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On Nov 22, 2007, at 16:48 , Andre Schmeißer wrote:
Hi,
isn't there anyone who can help me with this?
I'd like to know if you experience the same behavior when
On Nov 25, 2007, at 1:44 , Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
Hey all,
Daniel and me are just sitting here and working on the activity
handbook
when we came across the following question:
Is there a defined directory or way how additional libraries should be
included in an activity bundle?
On Nov 26, 2007, at 17:49 , Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Don Hopkins wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, somebody sugarize XEyes!
And then write a tutorial on how you did it. :)
Tutorial how to do it in Etoys (SCNR):
1. Start Etoys
2. Click Make a Project
3. Click Supplies in
On Nov 28, 2007, at 14:44 , C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Nov 28, 2007 8:09 AM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What designation does this build have for olpcupdate?
I get an unknown module: ship.2 error.
Sorry, the upgrade server didn't know about 'ship.2'. Fixed; it
should
On Nov 29, 2007, at 9:15 , Morgan Collett wrote:
Sugar will gain a feature called overlay chat, once we've got higher
priority collaboration stuff completed, which will automagically add
chat functionality to any (sugarised, python) activity.
I thought this was intended to be a feature
On Dec 1, 2007, at 11:16 , Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
Hello,
joyride does not seem to be building hourly any more. Intentional?
Scott mentioned it builds every 3 hours ...
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On Dec 4, 2007 8:23 AM, ffm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The USB process is supported, but the manual instructions do not.
Use the Sugar-update.py script.
Just fair warning: this entire process is highly deprecated. Even if
you can get it to
On Dec 4, 2007, at 18:21 , C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Dec 4, 2007 4:30 AM, Build Announcer Script
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- olpc-library-core.noarch 1-10 ---
* Fixing intro to the XO, with Walter's new intro, and links.
* Smaller for jg; will rebuild to larger in a few days.
The
What is the Intel XO?
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On Dec 4, 2007, at 19:04 , Zarro Boogs per Child wrote:
#5314: Intel XO should provide safe firmware update.
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On Dec 6, 2007, at 22:01 , Eben Eliason wrote:
So the difference would be that a media viewer that is allowed to
open a
file must only retain references to the original media instead of
copying?
Until very recently, references from one datastore object (the saved
activity state) to
On Dec 8, 2007, at 1:15 , Asheesh Laroia wrote:
I'd like to bundle a Python C extension and use it from my
activity. This
requires Python to dlopen() a shared library whose path can change
depending on where the activity is installed, but also whose path is
different than on my desktop
On Dec 9, 2007, at 1:18 , Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
So what I'm basically asking is what the exact requirements for the
MANIFEST file are as activities seem to work regardless of what it
contains.
Currently, the MANIFEST is not consulted at all when installing or
running, an activity
On Dec 9, 2007, at 10:41 , Andi wrote:
Hello List,
is there any translating policy that I have oversight ?
If yes, point me someone to that policy please.
If no, what is the official intention by the majority of the
translators
and/or decision-makers about using native terms as much as
On Dec 11, 2007, at 1:12 , C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Dec 8, 2007 7:18 PM, Christoph Derndorfer
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Daniel and me are again having another weekend-jam working on the
activity handbook and we've just spent the past half hour looking at
different .xo packages from the
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