Re: rsync benchmarking

2007-06-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On 6/28/07, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a quick ~60 line script to do non-recursive rsync a directory at a time. Actually, it's a little smarter than that: it generates manifests for each directory, and syncs the tree by first syncing the root (and the root's manifest).

OpenID - status?

2007-07-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi devel, hi server-devel, I am working on Moodle's openID auth plugin. While there is an openID plugin of sorts for v1.6 I've reviewed it and it's less than stellar, so I'm tackling a new one. Questions: - Are we still happy with OpenID -- is Ivan still happy with it? I've done a bit of

Re: OpenID - status?

2007-07-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On 7/10/07, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The blind trust in the relying party is more of a concern to me: http://www.links.org/?p=187. Good point -- that's even easier than hacking the DNS. A bit of a spoof IDP site and done. And those shared secrets between the IDP and the user can be

Usable builds in the 5xx series on B2s?

2007-08-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
Aside from the memory-hogging notes -- are recent 5xx builds booting for people with B2s? I've updated to the latest firmware and tested with 539 and 540 (ext3) and they both hung during the boot process. Not sure if it's some subtle PEBKAC at my end, or if they are just not booting on B2s.

Re: Usable builds in the 5xx series on B2s?

2007-08-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On 8/2/07, Noah Kantrowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got 539/Q2C18 on a B2 staring at me right now. It helps to throw a swapfile at it (mine is on a USB stick). Thanks! I was already using Q2C18 and tested the 539 ext3 image - but it's failing for me -- same error as 540. It says: Write

Re: 406.15 - ext3 images?

2007-08-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On 8/2/07, James Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 02:31:38PM +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: I can only find jffs2 images of all the 406.xx builds. So far, I've been careful to avoid touching the NAND. I'm curious, why are you avoiding touching the NAND? I find

Re: A couple of adult use case questions

2007-12-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Dec 26, 2007 7:20 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. My experience with wireless in hotels and Linux is that: I've seen those (sometimes with JS/HTML breakage that would only work in IE) in the past, but they are mostly gone or going away. You can always get ie4linux if

Re: power management experiences with joyride-1572

2008-01-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Jan 25, 2008 2:12 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, lots of people in the FLOSS world are realizing that their software needs to run on small devices (mobile/embedded projects/alliances etc.). OLPC and powertop are making that very visible, and people are learning/reacting

Re: school server and content

2008-01-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Jan 27, 2008 5:08 AM, sulochan acharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to add to Bryan's email about our plans for the school server in Nepal, and how we might wanna manage content so that it is easier for kids to use the XO with the server. Hi Sulo, I think your ideas match the

Re: Moodle for School Server and Content

2008-01-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi V.Nagarajan, On the technical side, there will be no problem getting Moodle on the XS. Well tuned, it can work very well on limited HW, and the XS won't have any problem with it. On the good fit aspect, see my other email -- the plan is to cut it down, simplify the UI and align it with Sugar

Re: Moodle as OLPC Server

2008-01-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Jan 28, 2008 4:22 PM, Nagarajan Vadivel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin Sulochan, Thanks for your reply. Before making any comments I wish to answer your last question. Yes I will be happy to work on Moodle for OLPC server. Excellent - there'll be plenty to do ;-) So far as the

Re: [Server-devel] back up script for the XO's?

2008-02-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:42 AM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was supposed to work on that, but am overwhelmed with other tasks at this time. Somebody else may already be working on this as well. A very old/early set of scripts is at:

Re: Moodle as OLPC Server

2008-02-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Feb 19, 2008 9:05 AM, drew einhorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On another platform for another project there has been some discussion of using Moodle. One obstacle is the lack of a shared whiteboard. There are several 3rd party whiteboards. As you indicate, another platform, another

Re: Community/OLPC Server Support Discussion

2008-02-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Feb 20, 2008 3:02 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 07:30:36AM +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: Michael, Will this discussion cover the management of OLPC server infrastructure like the wiki.laptop.org, dev.laptop.org or the actual School Server (XS)? My

Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-02-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Last year OLPC mentored a couple of GSoC projects - as documented at http://wiki.laptop.org/wiki/OLPC_Google_Summer_of_Code - I think we could have a lot more projects. This year, GSoC is starting early, so we should be getting in motion asap. From the School Server side of things, there's a lot

Re: [Server-devel] Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-03-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAIK - Summer of Code does not support non code related projects. You are right - but the related GHOP does. We could get a lot of mileage out of that. cheers, m ___ Devel

Re: [sugar] Software status meeting on IRC (Wednesday, 14:00pm EST)

2008-03-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll be having a software status meeting on irc.freenode.net / #olpc-meeting today (Wednesday) at 2pm EST. Damn - that was right through a meeting - are the IRC logs archived anywhere? cheers, m

Re: 698 - 'su' does not pick up customized environmental variables

2008-03-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It used to be that issuing 'su' put me into root, but kept the that's a relatively recent (sometime in the last 12 months in most distros?) tightening of su/sudo env var cleanups. They used to cleanup some env vars that

Re: Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This year, GSoC is starting early, so we should be getting in motion asap. Did we manage to get in? Or rather - did OLPC apply at all? Deadline was 12th March... we don't seem to be on the list here http

Re: Google Summer of Code and OLPC

2008-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Roberto Fagá [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try One Laptop Per Child :) http://code.google.com/soc/olpc/about.html Ooops! I'm a tired fool it seems. Sorry about the noise! martin ___ Devel mailing list

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! Update.2 Mini-Conference

2008-03-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is still the plan for Update.2 to be about the most urgent needs from the deployments? Scott - what's the release naming scheme? What will the bugfix release post update.1 be called, versus the next feature release?

Re: [sugar] Summer of Code update, meeting tomorrow 2100 UTC

2008-03-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of quick discussions about SoC tomorrow (saturday) at 2100 UTC / 1700 EST in #olpc. Please join us to share advice to share from SoC's past, find out Fantastic - I will be there to discuss XS stuff :-) cheers, m --

Re: Mini-Conference Proposal: olpcfs

2008-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More information: (draft) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Olpcfs The thinking behind this is *excellent*. If we make a couple of minor tweaks and we take that as the description of the goals, then we can implement that, and

Re: [sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Toolbars Tabs (or lack thereof)

2008-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I'd have to say that, despite the knowledge that all activities will run fullscreen, we should try to avoid developing to a particular piece of hardware (and it's resolution). Hmmm. That sounds impossible. Your

Re: UI usability for 4 year old (was Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas!)

2008-03-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 1:51 AM, K. K. Subramaniam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is tough for young children to use trackpad like a mouse - with a single hand. Using it bi-manually with two index fingers is not only easier but also prepares them for typing on the keyboard later. The child can

Re: Monday's Testing

2008-03-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/3/27 Ricardo Carrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My suggestion for the Cambrige testbed is: 1 - Validade probe response driver patch submitted by Marvell and implement it 2 - Increase contention window from 7,31 ro 31, 1023 3 - Increase route expiration time from 10 to 20 seconds 4 - Increase

Re: [Server-devel] BOF on apachecon Amsterdam

2008-04-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Aaron Huslage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - We are running memory-hog-webapps based on mod_php and mod_python in prefork mode... but we have very strict memory constraints. Any hints on how to compile apache (on Fedora and Debian) so that the memory is

Re: [OLPC Networking] RSSI value questions

2008-04-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 4:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trying to work from signal strength won't work well, but you may be able to triangulate based on the arrival time of the signal at various locations. there are companies that do this commercialy with 3+ access points The

Re: [OLPC Networking] RSSI value questions

2008-04-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem with trying to use sound is that it requres a clear path from the servers to the laptops, something I would not expect to see very much. it's also very sensitive to the direction the laptops are pointing. Absolutely, and

Re: Build Debate: Followup on Build Naming

2008-04-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as a feature-based scheme, that will just increase the pressure to do an end-run around our renewed pledge to do time-based releases. I'm in favor of Dennis's suggestion. OLPC-1; OLPC-2, ... It is simple and, I

Re: Build Debate: Followup on Build Naming

2008-04-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After having worked in projects with many schemes, I find that the best communicator is a 3-part release name x.y.z where... Which is what Richard is saying too, except he is clearer ;-) For builds that are custom

Re: Build Debate: Followup on Build Naming

2008-04-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have network protocols in the presence service we depend on, and which fundamentally affect interoperability between applications (flag days). I also posit we're very likely to have to face at least one more flag day

Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
Yesterday we had a mini-sprint with argentinian pythonistas and we discussed Alecu's CDPedia which is a Python toolchain that does are good job of cutting a slice of wikipedia and cutting off the least interesting parts to make it fit. His project is here http://code.google.com/p/cdpedia/

Re: Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Charles Merriam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the old days were cutting out the images and putting the whole thing on one's cell phone. :-) Seriously, one might consider: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Simple is about 10,000 articles written in

Re: Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
[fixed the server-devel list address] On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Charles Merriam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the old days were cutting out the images and putting the whole thing on one's cell phone. :-) Seriously, one might consider: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Re: [Server-devel] [OLPC India] need help w/ OLPC technical training program

2008-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The XS guide would be extremely useful. I am concerned about creating a guide for it when it is still under rapid development. Please make sure you are in close contact w/ Martin Langhoff so you don't have to document

Re: Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice to see a python toolchain for this (though I don't see any code at that url?) They exist in other languages as well. We've been working with Linterweb's Kiwix (kiwix.org) and the Schools-Wikipedia, which use their

Re: Cutting a slice of wikipedia - CDPedia

2008-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice to see a python toolchain for this (though I don't see any code at that url?) They exist in other languages as well. We've been working with Linterweb's Kiwix (kiwix.org) and the Schools-Wikipedia, which use their

Re: Build Debate: Followup on Build Naming

2008-04-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/4/10 Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How about a two digit (zero-padded) version number that started with 08? The release date is data that belongs elsewhere -- and it's not accurate, a long-term- What you need is the critical information when you are deciding whether to install/update

cat-leases script to join leases files

2008-04-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
Attached you'll find a trivial script to concat-and-sort various lease files. This makes life easier for regional teams that deal with various shipments. Usage: cat-leases.pl */lease.sig all_leases.sig do we have a random-grabbag-o'scripts git repo where this would belong? cheers,

Re: Build Debate: Followup on Build Naming

2008-04-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/4/10 Jameson Chema Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Redundancy is not bad. There are people who care about year (it is far easier to remember that the last time I updated was 2 years ago, than remember the build number then) and they should have something to hold on to. I vote including the year

Re: Notes from a Planning Session

2008-04-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/4/10 Ricardo Carrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I second Carol's pragmatic approach. What we should do is to use access points in schools whenever possible. The mesh network was not designed to compete with infra-structure. It was designed to be used when there is no infra-structure. Don't worry

lease.sig file format oddities...

2008-04-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, List, The cat-leases.pl script I posted yesterday doesn't work, and I am a bit lost. What libraries are being used for reading/writing those? As far as I can see, oddities are - the lease files that work are not strictly JSON, according to the strict Perl JSON parser and jsonlint -

Re: lease.sig file format oddities...

2008-04-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can see, oddities are And before I forget - python-json can read the files correctly - python-json cannot write files that work -- it does not match the whitespace format, and cannot be sorted I currently

Re: lease.sig file format oddities...

2008-04-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
Ahhh. Fantastic, thanks! What I will need here is the Canonical JSON writer from http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/cscott/olpc-contents;a=blob;f=bitfrost/util/json.py;h=04d513d48298e55eb5b6295b3edab51bc0b7f3dd;hb=HEAD cheers, martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server

Re: cat-leases script to join leases files

2008-04-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attached you'll find a trivial script to concat-and-sort various lease files. This makes life easier for regional teams that deal with various shipments. Usage: cat-leases.pl */lease.sig all_leases.sig Ok

Re: [Server-devel] noob needs Poodle, Moodle, Drupal mentoring

2008-04-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Yama, DIY instructions: - install a basic Ubuntu linux machine - install moodle and drupal via the packaging system - apt-get install moodle drupal5 - have a read of the README.Debian file in each to see how to complete the configuration - Poodle... google a Poodle install howto and follow

Re: [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22.04.2008 02:13, Michael Stone wrote: What in this description of events leads you to the conclusion that OLPC is shriveling up and dying? Perhaps not shriveling up, but quite a few

Re: [Server-devel] Customizing build 703 for mass deployment

2008-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently, I use an extremeley inelegant method to create standard images for Nepal's deployment and I would very much like assistance in finding a more elegant method. Michael Stone has been helping me hack jffs2 images

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Michael, thanks for looking into this - I had the wikipage in my sight, but not the bugs you listed. Excellent, reading up to fill the gaps. Based on feedback from Peru, Mexico, and Nepal, the restoration from disaster-recovery backups XO/XS coordination feature has been steadily rising

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My solution is the simplest design I could create that allows both emergency restore (laptop FS has been trashed, get everything back) and individual file restore and sharing via a web interface running on the XS, Indeed,

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/4/22 Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not seeing the use case that I *think* is the primary one: That's still listed as the main one, at least in Ivan's email, and definitely from my perspective. This discussion of how to deal with the secondary one with minimal fuss and with a good fit

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose, as a thought experiment, that someone were to propose giving every child in the world a device that could do nothing but access the web. Would you consider that a positive educational step? It would be

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/4/23 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/4/22 Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My solution is the simplest design I could create that allows both emergency restore (laptop FS has been trashed, get

Re: [Community-news] [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Wes Kussmaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edward Cherlin wrote: I recently wrote to Nicholas about Illinois HB5000, the Children's Low-Cost Laptop Act, and received no reply. Yeah, I know the feeling. I recently wrote to the CEO of General Motors about

Re: [Community-news] [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's this hostility about? Does it accomplish something? Not everyone knows everything about your project - though it's interesting to hear. Regardless of project size, getting hold of key people at a large project is

Re: Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EST, #olpc-meeting, irc.freenode.org

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll be having our weekly status meeting tomorrow at 2:00 PM EST in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org. Alright! That's a 6AM'er for me, but I'll be there ;-) cheers, martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Community-news] [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's this hostility about? Does it accomplish something

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Tomeu, Superb - thanks for the info! some questions below... 2008/4/23 Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We have in ~/.sugar/default/datastore/store all the files that contain the opaque data of every entry, named by an uuid that identifies the entry. So this is the actual data store -

Re: [Fwd: Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.]

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest that you don't really understand the reason for supporting open source. No software running on top of XP, for example, will free of the pressures form MS to do what they want you to do. And what they

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Tomeu, Ivan, with my notes from the last software-status meeting and a few other bits and pieces, my plan is to follow roughly the spec but with a few changes. Making a backup: - Initial HTTP check for protocol and XS availability stays. We drop the 'nonce' value. - Q: Any reason for this

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with my notes from the last software-status meeting and a few other bits and pieces, my plan is to follow roughly the spec but with a few changes. I'll tidy-up and update http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_backup_restore

Re: A technical assessment of porting Sugar to Windows.

2008-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:09 PM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The activation process allows them to tell potential thieves and potential purchasers of hot systems that the laptops will be useless bricks. That is the key message, and everything we can do to make it clearer, the

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll tidy-up and update http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_backup_restore - Done. Feedback welcome. It's Friday here, I'll be hacking on this on Monday (NZ time) so you guys have a chance to rip it to shreds before I start

Re: cat-leases script to join leases files

2008-04-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The usage is the same as above, except that a significant l changes to a y. Emiliano reports that the script only outputs the contents of _one_ of the files being concatenated. Alas, it looks like I'm an idiot when

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:14 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:33:13AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: Well, I guess I need to know a bit more about the technical details that will

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Q: Does it make sense to always maintain the CJSON-formatted metadata anyway? (This would specially make sense if some of the DS corruption reports being discussed are tracked down to Xapian.) Extracting all

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be _very_ costly on the server side. Let the rsync complete, and do a bulk import. Ok, we just have to take in account that the bulk import will block all activity requiring the DS. This is a once-only

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 3:37 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Martin Langhoff I was actually referring to a case where the child wanted to do a restore on their current laptop, rather than a new one, in which case no new association is needed

Ideas for testers (what needs testing?)

2008-04-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
[resend - now via the list properly] This Sunday I will be hosting a small Happy Dev House event in Wellington (NZ) and an ex-colleague who is a top-notch professional software tester will be coming around with possibly some more testers. Are there areas or builds that needs special focus? I

ds-backup.py - confusion

2008-05-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Tomeu, list I'm no Python wiz (that's well known ;-) ) but I can't get ds-backup.py to do anything for me... :-/ Hopefully these questions are not too clueless... - How do I execute it so that it _does_ something? `python ds-backup.py` doesn't do much, and tracing it with a debugger doesn't

Open-door Fridays in Wellington, NZ (and a SHDH)

2008-05-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
We just had a Super Happy Dev House thing here in Wellington, organized by the superlative Shiny Brenda. I'll post a link to pics soon. There is a big and growing OSS community here, and several people keen on hacking and testing the XO and the XS. So starting on Friday 16th I will be running an

Re: Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-05-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's spend an hour tomorrow at 2:00 PM (1400 EDT, 1800 UTC) describing the tasks that we are presently working on and the technical Hi Michael, apologies in advance. I probably won't make it - this week I am taking it

Re: An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:52 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The model is simple: fork and merge. That is to say, rather than trying to maintain a single upstream that follows all the That thread you point out is a good resource to understand how current kernel devs handle

Re: An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally Yes. Debian does most of the work, ubuntu polishes a subset of packages, and then a much smaller subset of packages are software that Ubuntu develop themselves. Just like us ;-) We only

Building kernel RPMs with patches from git

2008-05-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
Dennis, David, There is right now something that I am having trouble understanding how it's done - related to kernel packaging. Is there any documentation on how the RH team manages kernels with additional patches? All I can find is tips to manage the patches as patches, but that is so oldstyle.

Re: [Its.an.education.project] Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignoring the fact that most of the new low-cost laptops require much more power --- The EEE PC I have just bought heats up in the bag when suspended... and seems to have a noisy fan inside. Yes. Suspend eats up a

Ideas for testers (what needs testing?)

2008-05-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
This Sunday I will be hosting a small Happy Dev House event in Wellington (NZ) and an ex-colleague who is a top-notch professional software tester will be coming around with possibly some more testers. Are there areas or builds that needs special focus? I have given Shaun links to the Testing

Re: Ideas for testers (what needs testing?)

2008-05-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Steve Holton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a set of requirements against which testers should be testing? I don't think we have that. We do have some test guides that show some basic steps that are expected to work. We work to high-level specs. It seems a

Re: [Its.an.education.project] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always believed we need Sugar. One only has to watch a child struggle with a conventional desktop (Windows, Linux or Mac) to see the need It's a lot more than that . When you contrast the current WIMP UI and generic

Re: Sugar on the EEE PC

2008-05-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Eee's are $599 (Windows) and $649 (Linux), in Australian dollars. The Windows model will be sold through general retailers, and the Linux model through computer stores. As of yesterday in NZ, it's $499 Linux, $605 XP

Re: very simple datastore reimplementation

2008-05-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FUSE is great, but... It means interoperability must be an explicit planned-in-advance action: Exactly. That's also my beef with the FUSE approach. The things we can do via FUSE we can do in the regular FS. So let's avoid

Re: VGA external on OLPC

2008-05-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:40 AM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Remote_display#Binaries Can you be more specific as to what USB video adapters this might work with ? It's packaged in most distros (F7, recent Ubuntus), so `man sisusb` or `man sisusbvga`

Re: very simple datastore reimplementation

2008-05-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason for FUSE (specifically via the new Gnome replacement for the old, unloved, GnomeVFS) is to enable better interoperability with non-Sugar applications (for example, when we are able to do versioning), And yet, at

Re: very simple datastore reimplementation

2008-05-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we shift the behaviour we want to put in the FUSE layer into a Sugar-level library that just uses POSIX underneath? That's what olpcfs is doing: it exploits the POSIX interface as much as possible, and if you read

Strange 755 mode on .sugar/default/owner.key

2008-05-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
I just spent a bit of time trying to understand why .sugar/default/owner.key was 755 on the xo am working on. I can't find any plausible reason, the key creation does the right thing, nothing seems to chmod it, and I haven't chmoded anything - but so it was. But I thought I'd mention it, in case

XO-XS backups

2008-05-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:04 PM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed - working on [backups] right now. Great. What approach are you taking (new thread, perhaps ?) At this stage, I am slowly hacking on ds-backup.py. My plan so far is to - Simplify ds-backup to - do a simple

Re: XO-XS backups

2008-05-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 03:23:18PM +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: At this stage, I am slowly hacking on ds-backup.py. My plan so far is to Where can I find your code? Nothing works yet :-/ - I intend to push it to a ds

Re: c preprocessor.

2008-05-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is the only package that requires cpp. Next question - why does xorg-x11-server-utils require cpp? According to the changelog * Mon Nov 28 2005 Mike A. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.99.2-6 - Added Requires: cpp as xrdb

Re: XP on OLPC - a contrarian view

2008-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't need computers for constructionism. If pushing educational theories of questionable value is your thing, Can we stop beating constructionism for no reason, and without any facts? First, a bit of debunking of the

Re: XP on OLPC - a contrarian view

2008-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason: it's not at all related to laptop computers Fact: it's not universally valued by teachers This *is* a project pushing the envelope. Waiting for universal consensus is aiming for the lowest common denominator.

Re: Constructionism (was Re: XP on OLPC - a contrarian view)

2008-05-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 6:28 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Sample large datastore

2008-05-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
Working on ds-backup, I am concerned about performance of extracting all of the datastore metadata. Both Tomeu and Ivan have warned me about performance and memory impact. I want to repro the problem asap. If a full metadata dump can be acceptably fast, a lot of complications and error conditions

Bitfrost's P_SERVER_AUTH

2008-05-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
Ivan, (or anyone close to the Bitfrost implementation) are there any further notes about how you intended the P_SERVER_AUTH stuff to work? Was this envisioned to be an ident-style service that responds to a crypto challenge (a safe variation of show you have the private key by signing this

Re: Sample large datastore

2008-05-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
n Mon, May 19, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think this would be enough? That'll be *perfect* for this :-) cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff -

Re: Bitfrost's P_SERVER_AUTH

2008-05-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are there any further notes about how you intended the P_SERVER_AUTH stuff to work? Was this envisioned to be an ident-style service that responds to a crypto challenge (a safe variation of show you have the private key

Re: Sample large datastore

2008-05-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: results, count = data_store.find({}, ['uid']) You may want to limit the amount of results returned by results, count = data_store.find({'limit':

Datastore backup - request for help

2008-05-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
Now that I have ds_backup that does backup something (thanks Tomeu for the script to grow the ds), I am looking at doing it correctly. I've published what I have at git://dev.laptop.org/users/martin/ds-backup.git , visible at http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/martin/ds-backup.git;a=summary (For

Re: [Server-devel] XO-XS backups

2008-05-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Marten Vijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where can I find your code? Nothing works yet :-/ - I intend to push it to a ds-backup directory in users/martin . if it is not online ik can't help making it better I've published what I have at

Re: Datastore backup - request for help

2008-05-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I have ds_backup that does backup something (thanks Tomeu for the script to grow the ds), I am looking at doing it correctly. Couple more things that I want to do, and I am unsure where to hook

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