Re: Autoreinstallation image is not signed.

2008-06-03 Thread pgf
chris wrote: > Hi, > >> That said, there's a separate bug in trac about X not starting when >> the NAND flash is full. I'm not sure if that's what you're >> referring to as "not booting" or not, but we should fix that, too. > > Specifically, http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7125.

Re: [sugar] Release Status Report - 8.2.0

2008-06-13 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Before we can ship power management, though, we should also fix: > > * the SD corruption bug (#6532) -- if we can't fix it in time, we can > >inhibit suspend when an SD card is plugged in.

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread pgf
shivaprasad wrote: > But I got one more question for you, now to install the activity and having > it running I have to copy the rules file into /etc/udev/rules.d folder. How > can I do this while installing the activity itself. ( I need to make sure > that when I unzip my activity .xo file the

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread pgf
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: > > Deepak Saxena wrote: > | I agree with Paul that we need to have a solution to these > | cases iff we want to support running arbitrary software and > | hw combinations on the XO. The other option is to limit the > | scope of the system to a very specific set o

boot timings

2008-06-27 Thread pgf
g.Xlib: extension "XFree86-Misc" missing on display ":0.0". 69.941| 3.361|The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:> Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but has 2 symbols 69.941| 0.000|> Ignoring extra symbolsErrors

Re: boot timings

2008-06-27 Thread pgf
two quick addenda -- - i've put the source for the tool (cl.c) in my public_html on d.l.o. (i can no longer remember why it's called "cl".) - there may be some red herrings in the trace i posted: to get the trace i had to completely disable the tty0 console. as a result, th

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-27 Thread pgf
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: > Having modified that file... it's not quite so simple. For example, GDM > now runs automatically, but can't do anything, because it isn't aware of > any valid session types. It also doesn't seem to know how to handle a > single-user system with no passwords. i'm

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-28 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > > The current list of OLPC_DEVEL_PACKAGES at: > > http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/cscott/pilgrim;a=blob;f=streams.d/olpc-develop > ment.stream;hb=joyride#l169 > includes: > > rpm > yum > yum-metadata-parser > openssh-server > wget > xterm > which > fi

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-28 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:45 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "which" is redundant with "type -a" in the shell (or "type -ap" if you're > > being picky). > > But is 'which' large enough to merit the effort? probably not. i was mainly being pedantic. :-) >

Re: First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-06-30 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:07 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> and I formally request synchronizing our release schedule > >> with Fedora's. > > > > That

Re: First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-06-30 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:22 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > why is it necessary or optimal that we track every fedora release? > > it seems like a requirement that's both ambitious, and somewhat > > arbitrary. > > I personally think that it's good to keep

Re: boot timings

2008-07-01 Thread pgf
bert wrote: > Am 27.06.2008 um 21:55 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > hello -- > > > > yesterday, as much for an exercise in using the serial port, > > manipulating the kernel commandline, and doing a little > > exploring, i resurrected an old tool of mine which timestamps > > lines rece

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread pgf
jim wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 17:47 +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: > > 1. olpc games sets the reply-to > > Sounds like it should get fixed... > > > 2. BTW this recommendation does not make my point wrong (eg that the > > current setting makes harder to keep conversations on the devel list)

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread pgf
bert wrote: > > Am 02.07.2008 um 20:01 schrieb Dennis Gilmore: > > > On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > >> Am 02.07.2008 um 19:33 schrieb Dennis Gilmore: > >>> by setting the replyto the list i wont get ccd on email when people > >>> reply to > >>> all because that is t

Re: 8.2 Kernel status update

2008-07-04 Thread pgf
deepak wrote: > On Jul 02 2008, at 10:16, Jim Gettys was caught saying: > > The other issue it would be nice to get fixed is the jffs2 full > > performance falling off the wall cliff, for which there is a patch that > > the Nokia folks have deployed. While in development we seldom run full, >

Re: Reminder: Tuesday Release & Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM EDT, #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org

2008-07-08 Thread pgf
sameer wrote: > > Ubuntu uses Gobby for its UDS (Ubuntu Developer Summit) meetings and it > works quite well. perhaps they have a usage model (guidelines) that would be interesting to look at. paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] __

Re: Reminder: Tuesday Release & Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM EDT, #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org

2008-07-08 Thread pgf
sameer wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > sameer wrote: > > > > > > Ubuntu uses Gobby for its UDS (Ubuntu Developer Summit) meetings and it > > > works quite well. > > > > perhaps they have a usage model (guidelines) that would be > > interesting to look at. > > > Overall UDS part

Re: 8.1 Kernel for touchpad testing

2008-07-10 Thread pgf
deepak wrote: > I have built an RPM with the 2.6.22 kernel + driver backport that folks > running <= 703 can use for this purpose: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~dsaxena/kernel-2.6.22-20080710.1.olpc.0.i586.rpm > > See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Kernel#Installing_OLPC_kernel_RPMs for > inform

low power actions?

2008-07-11 Thread pgf
a thread on irc from last evening prompts me to ask: where can i find a description of how the laptop behaves (LED behavior, powerdown behavior, etc) as the battery gets low? brief searching led me to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Power_Management#Power_Management_Scenarios but this scenario (batt

Re: low power actions?

2008-07-11 Thread pgf
smith wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > a thread on irc from last evening prompts me to ask: where can i > > find a description of how the laptop behaves (LED behavior, powerdown > > behavior, etc) as the battery gets low? > > EC wise: The EC turns on the red led when it thinks the batt

Re: low power actions?

2008-07-11 Thread pgf
chris wrote: > Hi, > >> my interest was piqued by someone on irc asking about automatic >> clean shutdowns for low power. i was wondering whether we do that, >> and whether we do earlier user warnings ("your battery should be >> charged now in order to keep it healthy"), or

Re: low power actions?

2008-07-11 Thread pgf
chris wrote: > Hi, > >> What would it take to put in a journaling filesystem? > > The "j" in "jffs2" stands for "journalling". to expand -- i believe the shutdown-inspired corruption people are worried about is not filesystem corruption, but application corruption -- if the activity doe

Re: [Techteam] Heads up on touchpad change

2008-07-14 Thread pgf
andres wrote: > > > > Cc'ing devel for a wider audience. Basically, we've got a new > > touchpad driver that uses mouse mode rather than advanced/stream > > mode. This means the PT won't work, but the benefits are numerous: > > > > - lots of silly complexity ripped out of the driver > >

Re: Faster Launch of Activities

2008-07-14 Thread pgf
chris wrote: > Hi, > >> Let's get it on the roadmap for 9.1, when we've got time to >> actually make the fixes required and test them properly (unless >> someone really believes that speeding up sugar is a 4 line patch). > > I'd like to see an activity startup time comparison (

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-15 Thread pgf
morgan wrote: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:56, Richard A. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Greg Smith wrote: > > > >> Ideas so far. Please vote or propose a new one: > >> Freire > >> mango > >> Papert > > > > I'm +1 for mango. I think naming after fruits plays well with calling > > ou

Re: Touch pad

2008-07-15 Thread pgf
david wrote: > [Community News]The kernel team has backported the modifications to the > older stable kernel so that it can be installed on builds 656 and 703. This > allows our G1G1 users and deployment countries to install and test this > new driver. > > Seeking advice on how to in

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-15 Thread pgf
eben wrote: > This is clever. - Eben but we need to keep at least one half of the name to one or two syllables though. i'm not looking forward to having to IRC about "pummeling pomegranates". paul > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I'v

planet.l.o (was Re: B4 motherboard ...)

2008-07-15 Thread pgf
michael wrote: > I really wish that people receiving developer machines posted to devel > or planet.laptop.org on a regular basis and, if possible, introduced so, speaking of communication gaps, neither erikg nor i had ever heard of planet.laptop.org until this message. considering i've been fo

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-17 Thread pgf
[ greg -- be sure fix the subject when replying to a digest. ] greg wrote: > Hi Martin, > > We need keep that capability of upgrade from anywhere to anywhere if at > all possible! That is a huge benefit for our customers and for our > managing the scope of testing. > > Even if we can ju

Re: Code name for 9.1.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

2008-07-19 Thread pgf
greg wrote: > I know that downgrade is hard. The great thing is that the XO supports > that very elegantly right now! > > I don't want to lose that. > > It saved me once when I upgraded to joyride image without a developer > key (doh!) and was locked out. but don't confuse "saving yours

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-21 Thread pgf
chris wrote: > Hi, > >> I'll go on record repeating the comments made earlier. deleting the >> students largest file is probably deleting their most important >> work. > > Of course, it should be only a last resort; I tried to make that clear. > I hope that in 8.2 we'll fix th

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
jim wrote: > Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can > uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervention, that > would be good I'm nervous about automatic cleanup schemes i agree that erik's proposal sounds attractive, since we'd have most or

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
erik wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:01:35PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Here's the requirement for Uruguay NAND full situation. > > > > I need this fixed ASAP. > > > > - The XO must always boot up to sugar including allowing access to the > > journal. That is no m

no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
yes, i know joyride doesn't include activities. however, i had previously installed a couple of activities under /home/olpc/Activities, which are still there. even these don't show up after the upgrade. why wouldn't they? i've heard that sugar keeps voluminous disk eating logs :-) of everything

Re: no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
eben wrote: > Right, this edge case was brought to my attention by Greg the other day. It > will only happen once...in future updates, favorites are preserved. thanks. i now understand where the missing ones were. they just weren't "starred". > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:42 PM, C. Scott

Re: no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Right, this edge case was brought to my attention by Greg the other day. > > It > > will only happen once...in future updates, favorites are preserved. > > Additionally, in most scenarios,

odd yum dependency issues in joyride

2008-07-25 Thread pgf
i've been slowly moving my g1g1 machine forward to joyride (from 656). i had customized it quite a bit, and am trying to restore those changes. i've got xfce running, but a couple of yum dependencies (which were fine with F7) are failing. to wit: # yum install gcc olpc_development

Re: odd yum dependency issues in joyride

2008-07-25 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i've been slowly moving my g1g1 machine forward to joyride (from 656). > > i had customized it quite a bit, and am trying to restore those changes. > > i've got xfce running, but a couple of yum dependen

Re: [RFC] Four solutions to NAND fillup

2008-07-25 Thread pgf
guylhem wrote: > Hello > > A suggestion for similar problems, which I experienced in the past for > other hardware. > > The /var tree is mostly used for logs and caches - stuff that could be > discarded at reboot. And usually, there's a lof ot them (see with du > -ksh) > > There are so

Re: odd yum dependency issues in joyride

2008-07-25 Thread pgf
martin wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 06:33:08PM +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: > > With 2181 this worked: > > yum install mc > > yum install make gcc > > I've been yum install'ing gcc after every olpc-update to joyride since > about 1559, and have never had any problems. > interesting. i won

Re: odd yum dependency issues in joyride

2008-07-25 Thread pgf
noiseehc wrote: > I have just reflashed my XO since it failed to boot. > Did a reflash with 703 > then olpc-update --usb to 2181 > then yum install gcc thanks. i guess i'll chalk my system up to an anomaly then. paul > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > martin wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 25,

Re: Calling all small keyboards

2008-07-26 Thread pgf
as i mentioned to wad the other day, the fujitsu Poqet PC may also qualify as prior art. (a full IBM PC, and 100 hours on 2 AA batteries. what more could you ask for?) =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lis

Re: New joyride build 2216

2008-07-26 Thread pgf
i think i saw the reason for this at some point, but why do some joyride announcements have changelog messages included, and some (like this one) do not? paul build announcer v2 wrote: > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2216 > > Changes in build 2216 from build: 2214

Re: TuxPaint woes

2008-07-28 Thread pgf
michael wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:56:47PM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > >But should it be up to the Activity developers (or in this case, those > >who first "fitted" the software to Sugar) to keep supporting their > >submission as the Sugar/operating_system platform keeps evolving ?

Re: TuxPaint woes

2008-07-29 Thread pgf
michael wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:26:28PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >the obvious answers are that we need to commit to some level of > >continuing support for activities, > > What notion of "support" would you suggest? not breaking supplied interfaces without providing fee

Re: What is the best way

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
bert wrote: > > On 30.07.2008, at 14:16, Victor Lazzarini wrote: > > > ... to connect the XO to a projector? > > > > Are there USB vga/etc cards known to work to with the XO? > > See > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Remote_display the sisusbvga.ko module would be another module (al

suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
since i'm not sure which of these are known/expected/ alreadyfixed/beingignored, here are a few things i've noticed with suspend. i'll trac any that people think should, or comment existing trac if appropriate. disclaimer: some of this testing has been on my g1g1 machine, running 2159, XFCE (not

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
deepak wrote: > On Jul 30 2008, at 14:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was caught saying: > > since i'm not sure which of these are known/expected/ > > alreadyfixed/beingignored, here are a few things i've noticed > > with suspend. i'll trac any that people think should, or comment > > existing trac if

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
smith wrote: > Deepak Saxena wrote: > > > > The gamekeys go through PS2 so I'm guessing the EC is queeing that event > > for > > us. I can reproduce the same sort of behaviour with by switching to > > console > > on the XO, sleeping via /sys/power/state on serial console, and then > >

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
talking with richard just now i realized that there's been a bit of disconnect, at least on my part, in understanding our current suspend design. i was complaining that keypresses were arriving while my machine was suspended. richard pointed out that it's meant to work that way. my use-case was

Re: Terminals

2008-07-31 Thread pgf
michael wrote: > One of our present security difficulties is that the Terminal activity > is not isolated. It is de-isolated so that it can serve the dual role of > root terminal and 'general exploration' terminal. Perhaps reviving the > Quake Terminal for the root-terminal role and isolating t

Re: Terminals

2008-08-01 Thread pgf
erik wrote: > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 11:03:39AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > numerous 'special keys' don't work at the console, including adjusting the > > screen brightness. > > To get this to work we would have to push olpc-specific drivers into the > kernel, correct? not necessa

Re: odd yum dependency issues in joyride

2008-08-02 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i've been slowly moving my g1g1 machine forward to joyride (from 656). > > i had customized it quite a bit, and am trying to restore those changes. > > i've got xfce running, but a couple of yum dependen

Re: [sugar] Faster - how do I bypass "look, ma - no hands" ??

2008-08-04 Thread pgf
eben wrote: > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tried latest Faster -- is the small 'rodent' supposed to be cute ? > > ?? i believe mikus is referring to the XFCE, uh, mascot: http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.2-5.jpg =

Re: kernel preemption

2008-08-07 Thread pgf
victor wrote: > a question for the OS people: what is the level of preemption > in the olpc supplied kernel? > hi victor -- does this help? $ grep PREEMPT .config # CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set CONFIG_PREEMPT=y # CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU i

Re: suspend on 'idle'

2008-08-07 Thread pgf
chris wrote: > > I think what you actually want is one of two things: > >* Not to suspend in the presence of any large network transfer. > I think this would only be necessary for your ethernet case, since > on wireless we're just going to be woken up by the next incoming >

Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button

2008-08-08 Thread pgf
mikus wrote: > > This looks a *lot* like how an XO acts when Suspend is on. See if the > > power LED has gone off and just blinks occasionally -- that's how you > > really > > tell whether you are in suspend. Power LED on steadily = no suspend. > > Power LED off most of the time, blinking o

Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button

2008-08-08 Thread pgf
i wrote: > mikus wrote: > > The sluggishness is not consistent. I particularly notice that at > > times, it can take more than three seconds before the XO responds to > > an alt-tab (after a period without any key presses). This XO has a > > background (nice 19) task running on it whi

Re: Sound on the OLPC

2008-08-11 Thread pgf
hello shivaprasad: > I am trying to port an application from a normal Fedora system to work > on the XO. The application uses OSS API's which read and write to /dev/dsp > to acheive sound functionality. While porting I found out that the XO does > not have a /dev/dsp but has a single /dev/

Re: Sound on the OLPC

2008-08-11 Thread pgf
shivaprasad wrote: > Thanks for the information. I did a modprobe snd-pcm-oss and everything > started working perfectly well. Thank you very much. that's good news. i'm now curious as to why the module didn't get loaded automatically, but that's a different topic. paul > > Thanks > Shiva

Re: inhibiting suspend via dbus

2008-08-11 Thread pgf
smith wrote: > Deepak Saxena wrote: > > On Aug 09 2008, at 19:35, Mikus Grinbergs was caught saying: > >> One possibility -- OFW already tests for "is the XO plugged in?". > >> Maybe Ohm can test for that, and decide that suspend is not needed > >> when the battery is fully charged, and is n

git merge question -- conflicting whitespace

2008-08-12 Thread pgf
i'm trying to do a git-merge that's complicated by my having changed all of the line endings in my working copy from CRNL to simple NL. further changes have since been made on the remote branch that i cloned, and when i attempt a git-merge, the entire file is in conflict, due to the difference in

Re: Loading the OSS modules on the XO

2008-08-13 Thread pgf
shivaprasad wrote: > Its OK if I need to have root permissions only once right? I can change the yes. > /etc/modules/ once during installation of the activity and need not load the > module every time I run the activity. I am new programming on Linux and > wasnt sure what to change to make th

Re: Loading the OSS modules on the XO

2008-08-13 Thread pgf
jim wrote: > I thought there was a library/shim/kernel option that allowed us to > emulate OSS on ALSA? i think that's what snd-pcm-oss is. > > In any case, anything not using ALSA at this date really should get > updated to ALSA > - Jim > > > > On Wed,

Re: Loading the OSS modules on the XO

2008-08-13 Thread pgf
noah wrote: > Why don't you fix the application instead of working around stupid > deprecated nonsense? That seems like a better use of everyone's time. gee, that seems a little harsh. :-) i think the original poster made it clear that they're relatively new to linux/unix programming, and are

Re: #8041 HIGH 9.1.0: Sugar lacks a "Trash/Recycle bin" system

2008-08-20 Thread pgf
bastien wrote: > "Martin Langhoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>> But my point was that, at the moment, you can choose to "Erase" an item, > >>> and > >>> it's gone forever. I expect that many kids will do this, and will at > >>> some > point > >>> regret erasing some item. > >>

Re: #8041 HIGH 9.1.0: Sugar lacks a "Trash/Recycle bin" system

2008-08-20 Thread pgf
bastien wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > - no old-and-backed-up files we can safely remove? Prompt the user > > > > prompt the user, interrupting whatever they were trying to get > > done? that seems less than optimal. if my current UI-of-choice > > implemented "disk full" t

Re: #8041 HIGH 9.1.0: Sugar lacks a "Trash/Recycle bin" system

2008-08-20 Thread pgf
eben wrote: ... > I hope this clarifies my position on this subject a bit, and paints a it does. thank you. paul > picture which is really just a different perspective on the usual > "trash can" metaphor, rather than an abandonment of it. > > - Eben =- paul fox, [EM

Re: Cerebro (was Re: Almost 50% less free memory in joyride-2302 compared with Update.1 (708))

2008-08-23 Thread pgf
ton van overbeek wrote: > Also idle suspend is enabled again in 2325, while it should be off. i think this was intentional. now that we're building separate release ("Subject: New release8.2 build 7nn") and joyride streams, idle suspend was re-enabled in joyride in order to help continue flushin

Re: Is it possible to boot alternative OS from an USB stick?

2008-08-24 Thread pgf
mitch wrote: > Open Firmware can boot ELF binaries directly. Put your .elf file in the > root directory on a USB key that is formatted with either a FAT > filesystem (preferred) or an ext2 filesystem. Then, on an unsecured XO > laptop, type: > > ok boot u:\myprogram.elf mitch -- where

Re: olpc.fth and OFW api docs

2008-08-25 Thread pgf
mitch wrote: > paul fox wrote: > > mitch wrote: > > > Open Firmware can boot ELF binaries directly. Put your .elf file in > > the > > > root directory on a USB key that is formatted with either a FAT > > > filesystem (preferred) or an ext2 filesystem. Then, on an unsecured XO > > >

Re: Is it possible to boot alternative OS from an USB stick?

2008-08-25 Thread pgf
hilaire wrote: > Any pointer to what is OFW? I don't find it in the wiki. search for "Open Firmware". http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Open_Firmware paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org htt

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread pgf
bobby wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:56 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Undoubtedly people who are dbus developers understand the proper use > >> of the "organization_namespace". But suppos

Re: Power-on to GUI in 20 seconds

2008-08-29 Thread pgf
bert wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0fAUGRUDVA > > Brought to you by Gerardo Richarte, with bootstrapping help from Mitch > Bradley. i can't resist pointing out that we could probably do that with linux too, if we weren't committed to using an off-the-shelf desktop distribution.

Re: Power-on to GUI in 20 seconds

2008-08-29 Thread pgf
bert wrote: > Am 29.08.2008 um 15:34 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > bert wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0fAUGRUDVA > >> > >> Brought to you by Gerardo Richarte, with bootstrapping help from > >> Mitch > >> Bradley. > > > > i can't resist pointing out that we could probab

browse and x11 performance

2008-09-03 Thread pgf
is there a bug open on this issue? i reverted a machine to joyride 2212, which, as indicated in #7787, was before pygame.mixer was lost, and then brought back. bounce works fine in that build -- performance and audio are very acceptable. there's still mouse cursor flicker, i think related to the

Re: oops -- i meant "bounce" (was "browse") and x11 performance

2008-09-03 Thread pgf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > is there a bug open on this issue? > > i reverted a machine to joyride 2212, which, as indicated in #7787, was > before pygame.mixer was lost, and then brought back. > > bounce works fine in that build -- performance and audio are very > acceptable. there's stil

Re: bounce and x11 performance

2008-09-03 Thread pgf
daniel wrote: > On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 11:30 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > is there a bug open on this issue? > > > > i reverted a machine to joyride 2212, which, as indicated in #7787, was > > before pygame.mixer was lost, and then brought back. > > > > bounce works fine in that buil

Re: Google Chrome activity?

2008-09-03 Thread pgf
carol wrote: > According to /. the license includes: > > *"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a > perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license > to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly > display a

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-09 Thread pgf
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 00:10 -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > - This means that we need to measure how our memory consumption > profile has changed since our previous releases. > > (cscott observes that we were unable to attack the F-9 image size > issues until we were ab

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-09 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > stability issue? AFAIK, we haven't seen OOM conditions without any > > activity open. > > Yes, we have. In particular, if you update your system and then leave > it for a while, and later c

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-09 Thread pgf
i wrote: > > i think there's definitely a sugar shell leak. here's some > partial data, gathered from a few machines on my desk right now. > > (be careful with the column headings -- i rearranged partway through > to get separate CODE and DATA columns.) > > (also, don't do an absolute c

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-09 Thread pgf
tomeu wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:13 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (there are a lot of variables in play here -- the main thing is > > that something's certainly leaking.) > > The shell shouldn't be doing anything while idle, so checking if the > trigger is activity network would

Re: [sugar] wireless lights

2008-09-09 Thread pgf
mikus wrote: > > What would a concise and accurate definition of the wireless lights > > (for 8.2) be? > > To ordinary users, they are 'Meaningless eye candy'. > > They appear to not be 100% reliable if lit. > > They certainly are meaningless when blinking. > > They even appear to no

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-10 Thread pgf
tomeu wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM, James Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Has anyone got an idea of how to measure the heap by usage? > > Not from outside python, but from inside we are using heapy: > > http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/ i started down that path yester

Re: Expected date for 8.2.0

2008-09-10 Thread pgf
eben wrote: > We removed that for two reasons. First, as an indicator it was > actually really subtle; it didn't grab attention. Second, it > effectively stripped the identity of the server itself, since each AP > is identified by a pair of colors. Removing the stroke color made it > unclea

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-10 Thread pgf
tomeu wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM, riccardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul, > > > > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 08:18 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> i started down that path yesterday afternoon, and realized that it > >> wasn't clear to me how i needed to invoke it. it seem

Re: Scratch Sensor Board needs access to TTYUSB*

2008-09-11 Thread pgf
thanks -- filed as trac #8434. this is an issue for any USB serial adapter, not just the Scratch sensor board. paul john wrote: > Hi, Jim. > > Claudia Urrea would like to get the Scratch Sensor Board working on > the XO. There was a minor bug in the Scratch serial port support, > which

Re: Getting a path to SUGAR_ACTVITY_ROOT

2008-09-11 Thread pgf
john -- scott's not in the office right now, so i'll take a stab at this. your code snippet looks fine, except for the typo in "SUGAR_ACTVITY_ROOT". i hope that's all it is. paul john wrote: > Hi, Scott. > > I wonder if you could give me a bit of guidance. The Scratch file > dialogs have

Re: Scratch Sensor Board needs access to TTYUSB*

2008-09-12 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:50 PM, John Maloney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To use the Scratch Sensor Board or Pico Sensor Board > > (http://scratch.wik.is/Support/Sensor_Boards), you must add a file to the > > folder: > > > > /etc/udev/rules.d > > > > This file s

Re: "Home"

2008-09-12 Thread pgf
mikus wrote: > I notice that Joyride on the XO no longer has a /root directory - > just a link to a nonexistent place. Is that an intentional security > change ? no, just a bug. paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel ma

Re: mechanisms tied to mesh: "under a tree" collab

2008-09-17 Thread pgf
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: > > The wired-ethernet case is already working, and has been for a year or > more. Drop Sugar onto two Thinkpads connected to the same subnet, and > they will instantly find each other over Avahi, etc. If it's a wireless > network, or if you have XOs with etherne

Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread pgf
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: > Chris Ball wrote: > | So, we shipped 19 activities with G1G1v1; that means the ten activities > | people vote for here are likely to be a subset of that list, and we > | aren't learning much about what new things we should include. People > | replying might decid

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread pgf
ton van overbeek wrote: > Michael Stone wrote: > > Gabriel, > > > > To understand Rainbow, start by reading > > > >http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Security > >http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API#Security > >http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rainbow > > > > or by asking people a

Re: G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread pgf
douglas wrote: > Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Perhaps correcting http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_tutorial would >> help? > > Good point -- done, at least for host_version and bundle_id. As it > happens the actually published HelloW

trac question: search with AND?

2008-09-20 Thread pgf
can i search for (the equivalent of) "power AND external" in trac? if not, can we change trac to _always_ do that, instead of an OR search? i can't remember the last time i actually wanted an OR search, whereas i almost always want an AND search. paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PRO

Re: trac question: search with AND?

2008-09-20 Thread pgf
noah wrote: > On Sep 20, 2008, at 5:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > can i search for (the equivalent of) "power AND external" in trac? > > > > if not, can we change trac to _always_ do that, instead of > > an OR search? i can't remember the last time i actually wanted > > an OR searc

Re: trac question: search with AND?

2008-09-20 Thread pgf
michael wrote: > Paul, > > I think what Noah meant was that you would need to create a Trac Report. > Read http://dev.laptop.org/wiki/TracReports for more info. but it's a bug, so i reported it as such. =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: trac question: search with AND?

2008-09-22 Thread pgf
this thread ended in the trac tickets, so to be sure no one was misled by my claims: it turns out i was completely mistaken (apparently from misreading some specific search results) about trac's search behavior. multiple search terms are indeed AND'ed together in the search, as one would expect t

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Eduardo H. Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ah, so that's why you separate these legacy-hierarchical files with a > > light grey slash (/) . So that a kid who only knows the Journal > > tagging world can ignore it, and users who hav

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