Re: #3469 HIGH Trial-3: Human readable file names in the journal

2007-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On 9/18/07, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Do we have another solution for being able to find a file after the journal
 has saved it to the school server?

How are backups to the school server going to be handled for trial-3?

It think the proper long term solution the remote datastore stuff Ben
has been thinking about (and designed the datastore to support), but
clearly that's not going to be ready for trial-3.

Marco
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Re: #3469 HIGH Trial-3: Human readable file names in the journal

2007-09-18 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Any reason this cannot be made public?

- Bert -

On Sep 18, 2007, at 17:23 , John Watlington wrote:


 Marco,
 I apologize that this was discussed at a school server meeting
 and we didn't
 point you at the results.

 Details are at:
 http://laptop.org/teamwiki/index.php/Team:SS_Meeting_2007-09-12

 On Sep 18, 2007, at 4:21 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:

 On 9/18/07, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Do we have another solution for being able to find a file after
 the journal
 has saved it to the school server?

 How are backups to the school server going to be handled for trial-3?

 It think the proper long term solution the remote datastore stuff Ben
 has been thinking about (and designed the datastore to support), but
 clearly that's not going to be ready for trial-3.

 Marco




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Re: #3469 HIGH Trial-3: Human readable file names in the journal

2007-09-18 Thread John Watlington

We should get you access to TeamWiki.   We do need some space for  
common notes that
isn't published to the world at large...

Here are the minutes:
---
School Server Meeting Minutes, 2007-09-12
Attending: Scott, Michail, Alex, Kim, Wad, Walter

 * Jabber needs to be packaged
 * Apache is not going to work as transparent proxy (can be proxy  
and cache). We would have to change the browser config behind a  
school server. Squid only supports IPv4, not a good solution, maybe  
the only short term solution.
 * Can test registration on official build school servers (Kim  
and SJ have one; we may be able to get one for RH).
   o If you run more than one school server in a location for  
testing purposes, you should use blinding tables. If you are in 1CC,  
please also use channel 6 or 11.
   o A Wiki page has info on how to set these tables up (mesh- 
debug).

There are 3 scenarios when we need to recover/restore from school  
server backup:

 * Update requires a backup; followed by restore of entire laptop
 * Catastrophic failure; restore entire laptop
 * Lost/Deleted file; Individual file by file restore
 * In the Trial3 scenario, we get a sharing mechanism for free:  
individually 'restore' someone else's files

For restore we need to publish the backup directory (schoolserver/ 
share/SN) and this will regenerate the link that includes the  
nickname. Click on a file and it will download it into the journal.

 * We had some good discussions on what our journal and library  
might look like in the future and how we might access 'published'  
files/activities, and 'example' files. There is still alot of  
planning to do for this 3 year vision.
 * We also discussed what we can do today for FRS: we need to  
first define what gets stored, where, and whether it needs to be  
backed up.
 * FRS Picture
   o What currently lives in Lib is textbook and demo stuff;  
shouldn't be backed up
   o User owns everything in /home and /security
   o Need to maintain a manifest of items downloaded to be  
able to restore them.
   o Shouldn't be system things in home/olpc
   o We decided to give Jim the task to document and  
communicate where things must be stored; what will be preserved over  
upgrade; what will be backed up to school server. This needs  
widespread communications once it is decided.

ACTION ITEMS:

 * Backup doesn't work unless ssh to ss first, bug 2974
 * Registration should be automatic; and logged
 * Backup should be automatic; and logged [Dan Williams?]
 * Backup should use user-friendly file names [Marco?]
 * Backup dir should be published on SS, Wad/Scott
 * Wad will create changes to school server links for user data;  
need user friendly nick names
 * Jim will sort out where user data (of all sorts) need to be  
stored and backed up depending on backup mechanism.

On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:41 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:

 Looks like I don't have access to that part of teamwiki... Are you
 planning to make this public?

 Marco

 On 9/18/07, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Marco,
 I apologize that this was discussed at a school server meeting
 and we didn't
 point you at the results.

 Details are at:
 http://laptop.org/teamwiki/index.php/Team:SS_Meeting_2007-09-12

 On Sep 18, 2007, at 4:21 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:

 On 9/18/07, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Do we have another solution for being able to find a file after
 the journal
 has saved it to the school server?

 How are backups to the school server going to be handled for  
 trial-3?

 It think the proper long term solution the remote datastore stuff  
 Ben
 has been thinking about (and designed the datastore to support), but
 clearly that's not going to be ready for trial-3.

 Marco
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Re: #3469 HIGH Trial-3: Human readable file names in the journal

2007-09-17 Thread Kim Quirk
Do we have another solution for being able to find a file after the journal
has saved it to the school server?

Kim

On 9/17/07, Zarro Boogs per Child [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 #3469: Human readable file names in the journal

 +---
   Reporter:  marco  |   Owner:  tomeu
   Type:  defect |  Status:  new
   Priority:  high   |   Milestone:  Trial-3
 Component:  datastore  | Version:
 Resolution: |Keywords:
   Verified:  0  |

 +---
 Changes (by marco):

 * cc: bcsaller (added)


 Comment:

 We discussed this with Ben today and he doesn't like the idea of using
 human readable names on the main (NAND) datastore. Honestly I think none
 of us is comfortable with pushing such a controversial change this late
 (with the risk of having to redo it for FRS).

 Maybe we could give a try to human readable filenames on the USB devices,
 which is already partially supported and less controversial.

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 Ticket URL: https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3469#comment:4
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