Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-03 Thread John Gilmore
I'm glad that people are trying to think of ways to improve the lot of G1G1 users. The fundamental problem doesn't go away, though, unless you make it go away. The plan in November's G1G1, as I understand it, is to build in unnecessary restrictions on the people you should be most grateful for

Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-03 Thread Jim Gettys
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 00:27 -0400, John Watlington wrote: How about providing dev. keys for G1G1 laptops with no delay ?Would you consider it an improvement ? Clearly an improvement, as is the prettyboot patch, which I think we should also do. - Jim wad On Oct 1,

Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-03 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:49 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no cost to OLPC to have Quanta ship the manufacturing data with the disable-security bits set. If this is true, I'd like to see us ship g1g1 laptops with security disabled. The one persuasive argument I have seen for

Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-02 Thread Erik Garrison
On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 12:07:51AM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mind if the G1G1 donors have the option to participate in testing secured laptops, but I utterly reject the notion that we can jerk customer/donors

Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-02 Thread Walter Bender
+1 On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 12:07:51AM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mind if the G1G1 donors have the option to participate in testing secured

Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-02 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 12:07:51AM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote: With that said, I would probably lean towards preferring unsecured machines (with pretty boot enabled, of course). Such small hassles, when repeated across

Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-02 Thread John Watlington
How about providing dev. keys for G1G1 laptops with no delay ?Would you consider it an improvement ? wad On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:15 PM, John Gilmore wrote: Mitch and I have come up with a way to ship G1G1 laptops so that they will pretty-boot, but still come from the factory without any

Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 12:27:48AM -0400, John Watlington wrote: How about providing dev. keys for G1G1 laptops with no delay ?Would you consider it an improvement ? I would consider it a mediocre usability improvement in exchange for a moderate security risk -- it fails to permit any

Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:59 PM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see this is utterly backwards. The countries that want $feature on their laptops should be paying the price in support problems and infrastructure. I've edited your quote a bit. G1G1 participants support us is many ways,

Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-01 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 19:15 -0700, John Gilmore wrote: I know the support crew would be much happier if G1G1 laptops were shipped able to run test builds and patched software, if users could interact with Forth to diagnose their hardware, if they could run unsigned Forth code from USB

Re: Walter Bender: Re: devkeys, prettyboot, and G1G1

2008-10-01 Thread Bobby Powers
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mind if the G1G1 donors have the option to participate in testing secured laptops, but I utterly reject the notion that we can jerk customer/donors around like this without their permission in advance. They _will_