Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
On 01/07/13 19:53, James Cameron wrote: On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 07:35:03PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: xkbcomp $DISPLAY orig.xkb patch -p0 maori.patch sudo cp orig.xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/mi sudo vi /etc/sysconfig/keyboard ... Is Jerry's xs.custom http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/server-devel/2013-June/006510.html suitable for customizing an XO? Yes. It would apply the changes you describe reasonably easily. Indeed it does work, although I had to add support for the XO-4 HS Touch and XO-4 Touch, I've sent you a patch. I now have a USB that re-flashes if you hold down the game keys, reboots, sets the timezone, the language and the keyboard and then prompts the user to press enter to shut down. If you don't hold down the game keys it just does the customization which can be done more than once without damage. The only wrinkle is that most of the time I have to press enter twice to get it to quit at the end which is hardly worth complaining about but had me stumped for a minute or two the first time. Also I had trouble finding the xo-custom thing, so for the record, it's an optional configuration of Tiny Core Linux described at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Tiny_Core_Linux You will have to clone the git repo and build it from scratch to get the xo-custom behavior. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
On 5 July 2013 07:01, Tom Parker t...@carrott.org wrote: On 01/07/13 19:53, James Cameron wrote: On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 07:35:03PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: xkbcomp $DISPLAY orig.xkb patch -p0 maori.patch sudo cp orig.xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/mi sudo vi /etc/sysconfig/keyboard ... Is Jerry's xs.custom http://lists.laptop.org/**pipermail/server-devel/2013-**June/006510.htmlhttp://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/server-devel/2013-June/006510.html suitable for customizing an XO? Yes. It would apply the changes you describe reasonably easily. Indeed it does work, although I had to add support for the XO-4 HS Touch and XO-4 Touch, I've sent you a patch. Thanks, I now have a USB that re-flashes if you hold down the game keys, reboots, sets the timezone, the language and the keyboard and then prompts the user to press enter to shut down. If you don't hold down the game keys it just does the customization which can be done more than once without damage. Care to share the forth scripting? Remember to have the AC plugged in for the first boot, there maybe a firmware update in the image. I've taken a slightly path using a menu for different operations and install new firmware if present before installing the image. The only wrinkle is that most of the time I have to press enter twice to get it to quit at the end which is hardly worth complaining about but had me stumped for a minute or two the first time. There is a press enter to shutdown routine build into xo-custom are you scripting the reboot question also? Also I had trouble finding the xo-custom thing, so for the record, it's an optional configuration of Tiny Core Linux described at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/**Tiny_Core_Linuxhttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/Tiny_Core_LinuxYou will have to clone the git repo and build it from scratch to get the xo-custom behavior. I'm going to place the Tiny Core files to be available for download so all you have to add is your own scripting. Do you mind sharing your scripts? I plan on using some examples in creating some better documentation for a how-to. Thanks for testing, Jerry __ OLPC-NZ mailing list olpc...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/**listinfo/olpc-nzhttp://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 09:00:42AM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: On 06/07/13 05:37, Jerry Vonau wrote: On 5 July 2013 07:01, Tom Parker t...@carrott.org mailto:t...@carrott.org wrote: I now have a USB that re-flashes if you hold down the game keys, reboots, sets the timezone, the language and the keyboard and then prompts the user to press enter to shut down. If you don't hold down the game keys it just does the customization which can be done more than once without damage. Care to share the forth scripting? Remember to have the AC plugged in for the first boot, there maybe a firmware update in the image. I've taken a slightly path using a menu for different operations and install new firmware if present before installing the image. No additional scripting, I'm relying on the built-in hold-down-game-keys-for-signed-build-reflash to select the behaviour. I see. The u:\fsN.zip handles the initial install, then when it reboots the u:\boot\olpc.fth is handling the customisation. There is a press enter to shutdown routine build into xo-custom are you scripting the reboot question also? If you're talking about the read /dev/tty1 /dev/tty1 I haven't changed it. It usually doesn't work. When it doesn't work, after pressing enter once, every second key-press is passed to the shell, until you press enter again and then it shuts down. Sounds like concurrent I/O conflict with the shell on tty1. Perhaps xo-custom should chvt 8 and read and write from /dev/tty8. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
On 26/06/13 22:16, Tom Parker wrote: What is the best way to modify the laptops? Copying modified output of xkbcomp to /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/mi and running setxkbmap mi does the trick, but setting the content of /home/olpc/.Xkbmap to mi does not make this the default after reboot. There is a clue on the Manufacturing Data page on the olpc wiki, you need to modify /etc/sysconfig/keyboard and change the us to mi. So to recap, To create and install a new Maori keyboard using the maori.patch from my previous mail: xkbcomp $DISPLAY orig.xkb patch -p0 maori.patch sudo cp orig.xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/mi sudo vi /etc/sysconfig/keyboard in the last command change the XKBLAYOUT=us to mi. This isn't the right way to do it, but it works and is probably good enough for now. If the users like the layout we'll do what we need to do to get it into the build. Is Jerry's xs.custom http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/server-devel/2013-June/006510.html suitable for customizing an XO? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 07:35:03PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: xkbcomp $DISPLAY orig.xkb patch -p0 maori.patch sudo cp orig.xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/mi sudo vi /etc/sysconfig/keyboard ... Is Jerry's xs.custom http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/server-devel/2013-June/006510.html suitable for customizing an XO? Yes. It would apply the changes you describe reasonably easily. (In my opinion the file name should have been HOWTO.xo-custom and that's how I'm merging this contribution from Jerry.) The XO must be unsecured, or the deployment keys must be used to sign the kernel and initrd files. Beware that unlike the original OLPC customisation stick, Tiny Core Linux is not a secure environment, and so if you find yourself signing make sure that the only reason you are doing it is for ease of use, not deployment security. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
On 26/06/13 10:52, Walter Bender wrote:
The widget was broken until recently. Not sure my patches have landed
in any releases yet. But we should be able to make a layout that works
for both English and Maori without any end-user intervention. Will try
to get to it this week.
Attached is a patch to the output of xkbcomp on an XO-4 with mechanical
keyboard. Sorry it's not in style of the files in /usr/share/X11/xkb, I
still haven't been able to unravel how those files work. I think I can
make an mi file that just has the changed lines, which layout should I
use as a base? I'm guessing I might need to do something different for
the membrane and mechanical keyboards?
What is the best way to modify the laptops? Copying modified output of
xkbcomp to /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/mi and running
setxkbmap mi
does the trick, but setting the content of /home/olpc/.Xkbmap to mi does
not make this the default after reboot.
--- orig.xkb 2013-06-26 09:28:21.770500621 +
+++ test.xkb 2013-06-26 09:28:07.050500619 +
@@ -1188,7 +1188,7 @@
key AD03 {
type= FOUR_LEVEL_ALPHABETIC,
repeat= No,
-symbols[Group1]= [ e, E, oe, OE ]
+symbols[Group1]= [ e, E, U0113, U0112 ]
};
key AD04 {
type= FOUR_LEVEL_SEMIALPHABETIC,
@@ -1208,17 +1208,17 @@
key AD07 {
type= FOUR_LEVEL_SEMIALPHABETIC,
repeat= No,
-symbols[Group1]= [ u, U, U032D, U032D ]
+symbols[Group1]= [ u, U, U016B, U016A ]
};
key AD08 {
type= FOUR_LEVEL_SEMIALPHABETIC,
repeat= No,
-symbols[Group1]= [ i, I, U032C, U032C ]
+symbols[Group1]= [ i, I, U012B, U012A ]
};
key AD09 {
type= FOUR_LEVEL_SEMIALPHABETIC,
repeat= No,
-symbols[Group1]= [ o, O, U0323, U0323 ]
+symbols[Group1]= [ o, O, U014D, U014C ]
};
key AD10 {
type= FOUR_LEVEL_SEMIALPHABETIC,
@@ -1246,7 +1246,7 @@
key AC01 {
type= FOUR_LEVEL_ALPHABETIC,
repeat= No,
-symbols[Group1]= [ a, A, ae, AE ]
+symbols[Group1]= [ a, A, U0101, U0100 ]
};
key AC02 {
type= FOUR_LEVEL_SEMIALPHABETIC,
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Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
On 24/06/2013 9:43 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Which build are you running? In the latest Sugar builds, there is a keyboard settings control panel section. We could probably backport it to your build if it is reasonably recent. I remember that perhaps a year ago we had to remove the keyboard applet because it was causing some weird side effects. It wasn't a concern at the time because our focus was on English. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
The widget was broken until recently. Not sure my patches have landed in any releases yet. But we should be able to make a layout that works for both English and Maori without any end-user intervention. Will try to get to it this week. -walter On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@dhanapalan.com wrote: On 24/06/2013 9:43 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Which build are you running? In the latest Sugar builds, there is a keyboard settings control panel section. We could probably backport it to your build if it is reasonably recent. I remember that perhaps a year ago we had to remove the keyboard applet because it was causing some weird side effects. It wasn't a concern at the time because our focus was on English. -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
On 24 June 2013 06:43, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Which build are you running? In the latest Sugar builds, there is a keyboard settings control panel section. We could probably backport it to your build if it is reasonably recent. In OLPC's Dextrose's versions of sugar the sugar-cp-keyboard rpm doesn't get installed. Think there is a conflict over the keyboard with olpc-configure supplied by olpc-utils. Jerry Meanwhile, we may have to make a new X keyboard symbols file for you that does the right thing. Not impossible to get upstreamed. regards. -walter On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Tom Parker t...@carrott.org wrote: Hi, I'm looking at how you enter a macron for Māori language users. It seems that the olpc us international keyboard binds a ̄ COMBINING MACRON (unicode U+0304) to algr + hyphan. When typed after the letter a you get ā which is similar to but not the same as ā LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH MACRON (unicode U+0101). Issues I've noted with a small amount of testing: On older builds, Write does not correctly load files containing the combining macron. The combining macron is not rendered at the correct height for lower case letters. (on older builds this seems to be the case all the time, on newer builds, it is rendered correctly after loading a file until you delete a following character the on the same line, then it jumps up) You can have more than one combining macron, they stack. You have to delete twice, once to delete the macron and again to delete the character. Have these issues come up before? I don't see any. I will raise tickets for the bugs rendering the macron in the latest version of write shortly. I'm not sure if anyone wants a ticket for older builds? Obviously stacking macrons is by-design when using the combining macron character (see https://twitter.com/glitchr_/ for more improbable outcomes of combining characters, perhaps your browser will crash). I haven't yet experimented with entering the ā U+0101 characters into sugar (tomorrow!) Apparently on Windows, the Māori keyboard is set up such that when you hit the grave (apparently this is what I have always called the backtick) key and then one of the vowels, you get the macron version of the vowel. I haven't seen this in action but Māori typists claim it is very efficient. Gnome on Ubuntu on my laptop binds right-alt-a to ā U+0101 when using the Māori keyboard layout. I'm not sure how Maori typists feel about this inconsistency with windows. When you choose the language in sugar, can this change the keyboard layout too? If not, what is the recommended way to configure this? How complex is it to change the localization of the keyboard for the Maori language? The xkb files don't look too complicated. Is the grave - vowel = macron vowel possible while still preserving the backtick for shell scripting? I haven't seen the laptops in question but I'm told they have the Australian simplified key caps, so changing the existing alt-gr mappings to render macron vowels (ie to mimic the Maori keyboard option on Gnome-Ubuntu) instead of the existing mappings won't confuse the key caps. Obviously touching all the laptops to change how the keyboard works is a pain and the change is potentially erased by future updates. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ OLPC-NZ mailing list olpc...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Jerry Vonau je...@laptop.org.au wrote: On 24 June 2013 06:43, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Which build are you running? In the latest Sugar builds, there is a keyboard settings control panel section. We could probably backport it to your build if it is reasonably recent. In OLPC's Dextrose's versions of sugar the sugar-cp-keyboard rpm doesn't get installed. Think there is a conflict over the keyboard with olpc-configure supplied by olpc-utils. I can poke around to see if I can get it to work. -walter Jerry Meanwhile, we may have to make a new X keyboard symbols file for you that does the right thing. Not impossible to get upstreamed. regards. -walter On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Tom Parker t...@carrott.org wrote: Hi, I'm looking at how you enter a macron for Māori language users. It seems that the olpc us international keyboard binds a ̄ COMBINING MACRON (unicode U+0304) to algr + hyphan. When typed after the letter a you get ā which is similar to but not the same as ā LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH MACRON (unicode U+0101). Issues I've noted with a small amount of testing: On older builds, Write does not correctly load files containing the combining macron. The combining macron is not rendered at the correct height for lower case letters. (on older builds this seems to be the case all the time, on newer builds, it is rendered correctly after loading a file until you delete a following character the on the same line, then it jumps up) You can have more than one combining macron, they stack. You have to delete twice, once to delete the macron and again to delete the character. Have these issues come up before? I don't see any. I will raise tickets for the bugs rendering the macron in the latest version of write shortly. I'm not sure if anyone wants a ticket for older builds? Obviously stacking macrons is by-design when using the combining macron character (see https://twitter.com/glitchr_/ for more improbable outcomes of combining characters, perhaps your browser will crash). I haven't yet experimented with entering the ā U+0101 characters into sugar (tomorrow!) Apparently on Windows, the Māori keyboard is set up such that when you hit the grave (apparently this is what I have always called the backtick) key and then one of the vowels, you get the macron version of the vowel. I haven't seen this in action but Māori typists claim it is very efficient. Gnome on Ubuntu on my laptop binds right-alt-a to ā U+0101 when using the Māori keyboard layout. I'm not sure how Maori typists feel about this inconsistency with windows. When you choose the language in sugar, can this change the keyboard layout too? If not, what is the recommended way to configure this? How complex is it to change the localization of the keyboard for the Maori language? The xkb files don't look too complicated. Is the grave - vowel = macron vowel possible while still preserving the backtick for shell scripting? I haven't seen the laptops in question but I'm told they have the Australian simplified key caps, so changing the existing alt-gr mappings to render macron vowels (ie to mimic the Maori keyboard option on Gnome-Ubuntu) instead of the existing mappings won't confuse the key caps. Obviously touching all the laptops to change how the keyboard works is a pain and the change is potentially erased by future updates. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ OLPC-NZ mailing list olpc...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
Could you please try with the latest version of Turtle Art (v182)? thx -walter On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Barry Vercoe ba...@laptop.org.au wrote: Hi, on SHC 205002233 running 13.1.0 for XO-1.75 (build 20) with Sugar 0.98.2 firmware Q4D24 For Text in both Write and Turtle Art (the Title panel): vowel + altgr - gives the Combining Macron, i.e. two bkspcs to remove the letter But if either Activity is saved to the Journal and we write into its Description panel vowel + altgr - gives the Unicode version, i.e. one bksp removes the letter. So we do have the right behavior in there somewhere. -- barry On 25/06/2013 12:13 a.m., Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Jerry Vonau je...@laptop.org.au wrote: On 24 June 2013 06:43, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Which build are you running? In the latest Sugar builds, there is a keyboard settings control panel section. We could probably backport it to your build if it is reasonably recent. In OLPC's Dextrose's versions of sugar the sugar-cp-keyboard rpm doesn't get installed. Think there is a conflict over the keyboard with olpc-configure supplied by olpc-utils. I can poke around to see if I can get it to work. -walter Jerry Meanwhile, we may have to make a new X keyboard symbols file for you that does the right thing. Not impossible to get upstreamed. regards. -walter On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Tom Parker t...@carrott.org wrote: Hi, I'm looking at how you enter a macron for Māori language users. It seems that the olpc us international keyboard binds a ̄ COMBINING MACRON (unicode U+0304) to algr + hyphan. When typed after the letter a you get ā which is similar to but not the same as ā LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH MACRON (unicode U+0101). Issues I've noted with a small amount of testing: On older builds, Write does not correctly load files containing the combining macron. The combining macron is not rendered at the correct height for lower case letters. (on older builds this seems to be the case all the time, on newer builds, it is rendered correctly after loading a file until you delete a following character the on the same line, then it jumps up) You can have more than one combining macron, they stack. You have to delete twice, once to delete the macron and again to delete the character. Have these issues come up before? I don't see any. I will raise tickets for the bugs rendering the macron in the latest version of write shortly. I'm not sure if anyone wants a ticket for older builds? Obviously stacking macrons is by-design when using the combining macron character (see https://twitter.com/glitchr_/ for more improbable outcomes of combining characters, perhaps your browser will crash). I haven't yet experimented with entering the ā U+0101 characters into sugar (tomorrow!) Apparently on Windows, the Māori keyboard is set up such that when you hit the grave (apparently this is what I have always called the backtick) key and then one of the vowels, you get the macron version of the vowel. I haven't seen this in action but Māori typists claim it is very efficient. Gnome on Ubuntu on my laptop binds right-alt-a to ā U+0101 when using the Māori keyboard layout. I'm not sure how Maori typists feel about this inconsistency with windows. When you choose the language in sugar, can this change the keyboard layout too? If not, what is the recommended way to configure this? How complex is it to change the localization of the keyboard for the Maori language? The xkb files don't look too complicated. Is the grave - vowel = macron vowel possible while still preserving the backtick for shell scripting? I haven't seen the laptops in question but I'm told they have the Australian simplified key caps, so changing the existing alt-gr mappings to render macron vowels (ie to mimic the Maori keyboard option on Gnome-Ubuntu) instead of the existing mappings won't confuse the key caps. Obviously touching all the laptops to change how the keyboard works is a pain and the change is potentially erased by future updates. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ OLPC-NZ mailing list olpc...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
Hi, on SHC 205002233 running 13.1.0 for XO-1.75 (build 20) with Sugar 0.98.2 firmware Q4D24 For Text in both Write and Turtle Art (the Title panel): vowel + altgr - gives the Combining Macron, i.e. two bkspcs to remove the letter But if either Activity is saved to the Journal and we write into its Description panel vowel + altgr - gives the Unicode version, i.e. one bksp removes the letter. So we do have the right behavior in there somewhere. -- barry On 25/06/2013 12:13 a.m., Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Jerry Vonau je...@laptop.org.au wrote: On 24 June 2013 06:43, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Which build are you running? In the latest Sugar builds, there is a keyboard settings control panel section. We could probably backport it to your build if it is reasonably recent. In OLPC's Dextrose's versions of sugar the sugar-cp-keyboard rpm doesn't get installed. Think there is a conflict over the keyboard with olpc-configure supplied by olpc-utils. I can poke around to see if I can get it to work. -walter Jerry Meanwhile, we may have to make a new X keyboard symbols file for you that does the right thing. Not impossible to get upstreamed. regards. -walter On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Tom Parker t...@carrott.org wrote: Hi, I'm looking at how you enter a macron for Māori language users. It seems that the olpc us international keyboard binds a ̄ COMBINING MACRON (unicode U+0304) to algr + hyphan. When typed after the letter a you get ā which is similar to but not the same as ā LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH MACRON (unicode U+0101). Issues I've noted with a small amount of testing: On older builds, Write does not correctly load files containing the combining macron. The combining macron is not rendered at the correct height for lower case letters. (on older builds this seems to be the case all the time, on newer builds, it is rendered correctly after loading a file until you delete a following character the on the same line, then it jumps up) You can have more than one combining macron, they stack. You have to delete twice, once to delete the macron and again to delete the character. Have these issues come up before? I don't see any. I will raise tickets for the bugs rendering the macron in the latest version of write shortly. I'm not sure if anyone wants a ticket for older builds? Obviously stacking macrons is by-design when using the combining macron character (see https://twitter.com/glitchr_/ for more improbable outcomes of combining characters, perhaps your browser will crash). I haven't yet experimented with entering the ā U+0101 characters into sugar (tomorrow!) Apparently on Windows, the Māori keyboard is set up such that when you hit the grave (apparently this is what I have always called the backtick) key and then one of the vowels, you get the macron version of the vowel. I haven't seen this in action but Māori typists claim it is very efficient. Gnome on Ubuntu on my laptop binds right-alt-a to ā U+0101 when using the Māori keyboard layout. I'm not sure how Maori typists feel about this inconsistency with windows. When you choose the language in sugar, can this change the keyboard layout too? If not, what is the recommended way to configure this? How complex is it to change the localization of the keyboard for the Maori language? The xkb files don't look too complicated. Is the grave - vowel = macron vowel possible while still preserving the backtick for shell scripting? I haven't seen the laptops in question but I'm told they have the Australian simplified key caps, so changing the existing alt-gr mappings to render macron vowels (ie to mimic the Maori keyboard option on Gnome-Ubuntu) instead of the existing mappings won't confuse the key caps. Obviously touching all the laptops to change how the keyboard works is a pain and the change is potentially erased by future updates. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ OLPC-NZ mailing list olpc...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
