Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-08-18 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Wed, 07-07-2010 a las 01:58 -0400, Kevin Mark escribió: On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 05:03:02PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: PS: I just found yet another laptop which won't activate because the clock was set to 15 July 2000 (not 2010!). Do you see many of these? just a query as I dont

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:  And that there are efforts to solve that in the future. Oh, I was unaware of this. Who is working on it, and what's the exact plan? http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9564 Now, folks, please be careful here with all the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-07 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 05:03:02PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: PS: I just found yet another laptop which won't activate because the clock was set to 15 July 2000 (not 2010!). Do you see many of these? just a query as I dont know the details of activation: if the rtc is off by a year or more

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-07 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 04:36:55PM -0600, Daniel Drake wrote: PS: I just found yet another laptop which won't activate because the clock was set to 15 July 2000 (not 2010!). Do you see many of these? This was probably a human error in the Fix_clock repair process that happened on that

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: NetworkManager used to call ntpdate when it setup a connection.  Was that an OLPC addition? Yes, although it's now present in litl's software builds as well. We figured out that the ntp package has never been present

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-06 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 08:22 -0600, Daniel Drake wrote: On 3 July 2010 16:52, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: I checked: olpc-update-query only sets the clock if it's off by more than 24hours, so it cannot serve as a replacement for ntpdate. What's the requirement for

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-06 Thread Daniel Drake
On 6 July 2010 10:10, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Laptops with anti-theft enabled can get the time from the OATS server when it's off by more than 24 hours. Unlocked laptops don't have a way to synchronize the time at all. All we need to fix it is a trivial shell script. Why

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-06 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 11:21 -0600, Daniel Drake wrote: I think it's fine that individual deployments can do it. But it shouldn't be done globally because it weakens the security system. Which security system, the theft deterrence? Well, granting root access from the console already weakens it

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Likely so, but the software should be able to compensate for it. After discussing it on IRC, it seems that olpc-update-query should automatically update the clock from the OATS server. Do _not_ rely on this for accurate

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-06 Thread Daniel Drake
On 6 July 2010 15:03, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Well, granting root access from the console already weakens it to the point of being useless. Who would bother to setup a fake DHCP, DNS and NTP server when it takes 20 seconds to crack it from the console? :-) Right. So with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-06 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 16:36 -0600, Daniel Drake wrote: On 6 July 2010 15:03, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Well, granting root access from the console already weakens it to the point of being useless. Who would bother to setup a fake DHCP, DNS and NTP server when it takes 20

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-05 Thread Daniel Drake
On 3 July 2010 16:52, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: I checked: olpc-update-query only sets the clock if it's off by more than 24hours, so it cannot serve as a replacement for ntpdate. What's the requirement for super-accurate clocks on the XO? Daniel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-04 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 08:15:38PM -0700, Hal Murray wrote: Was: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Caacup=E9?= war bullettin -- day 1 ber...@codewiz.org said: * Date not being updated One laptop booted with clock set to the Epoch. Is that one of the old XOs that had troubles with the tiny battery

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-03 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Fri, 02-07-2010 a las 20:15 -0700, Hal Murray escribió: Is that one of the old XOs that had troubles with the tiny battery feeding the TOY/RTC clock when the main battery and wall power are both disconnected? I forget the details, but I think there was a problem with the battery

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clocks on XOs

2010-07-03 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Sat, 03-07-2010 a las 09:54 -0400, Bernie Innocenti escribió: Likely so, but the software should be able to compensate for it. After discussing it on IRC, it seems that olpc-update-query should automatically update the clock from the OATS server. I checked: olpc-update-query only sets the