Re: [Fwd: Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response]

2009-05-10 Thread Mark Bauer
Hi guys, How can I help with this, I still teach electrical engineering at the University of Nebraska, and before that I have about 25 years in the field. Mostly embedded microcontrollers and stuff. I do have several XOs to work with. I would have jumped in earlier but the end of the semeste

Re: [Fwd: Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response]

2009-05-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Reinder de Haan wrote: > C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Reinder de Haan wrote:     Absolutely not.  The A/D is eight bits, with an input range spanning     0 - 3.3V, so the best you     can hope for is about 13 mV per LSB

Re: [Fwd: Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response]

2009-05-10 Thread Reinder de Haan
C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Reinder de Haan wrote: >>> Absolutely not. The A/D is eight bits, with an input range spanning >>> 0 - 3.3V, so the best you >>> can hope for is about 13 mV per LSB. I would guess actual accuracy >>> to be closer to 26 m

Re: [Fwd: Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response]

2009-05-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Reinder de Haan wrote: >>     Absolutely not.  The A/D is eight bits, with an input range spanning >>     0 - 3.3V, so the best you >>     can hope for is about 13 mV per LSB.  I would guess actual accuracy >>     to be closer to 26 mV. I think the actual A/D refer

[Fwd: Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response]

2009-05-06 Thread Reinder E.N. de Haan
Original Message Subject: Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 00:02:49 +0200 From: Reinder de Haan To: raf...@laptop.org References: <200904290017.n3t0hl2v006...@new.toad.com> <675d3c5c-95ed-4ee9-84bc-3b5164675...@laptop.org> &l

[Fwd: Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response]

2009-05-06 Thread Reinder de Haan
Original Message Subject: Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 00:02:49 +0200 From: Reinder de Haan To: raf...@laptop.org References: <200904290017.n3t0hl2v006...@new.toad.com> <675d3c5c-95ed-4ee9-84bc-3b5164675...@laptop.org> &l

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-05 Thread NoiseEHC
> But why do you say you would need 1 mV accuracy ? Bright sunlight > is far stronger than > the light sources he used. > I am not an engineer so forgive me if I am saying something stupid, but is not the goal to switch off the backlight if and only if there is no difference between the s

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-05 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:34 PM, John Watlington wrote: > > On May 5, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: > > These measurements are really cool. >> >> But the question remains in whether the ADC could have a resolution of >> 1mv?, i mean in light of these measurements is neces

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-05 Thread John Watlington
On May 5, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: > These measurements are really cool. > > But the question remains in whether the ADC could have a resolution > of 1mv?, i mean in light of these measurements is necessary to have > an ADC that can reliable sense these variation

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-05 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
These measurements are really cool. But the question remains in whether the ADC could have a resolution of 1mv?, i mean in light of these measurements is necessary to have an ADC that can reliable sense these variations and then with that basis have a transfer function and add it to the algorithm

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-05 Thread Reinder de Haan
Hallo, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > A last resort would be hooking up a MOSFET as a simple amplifier -- > again, you're not worried about linearity or any such niceties, but > you'd still need a good match for your MOSFET's threshold voltage... > some real measurements to replace the WAGes would go

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-04 Thread david
On Tue, 5 May 2009, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:59 PM, John Watlington wrote: Oh, yeah, you should be able to wire the top side of the LED directly to the LED and measure the photovoltaic current directly; that's not patented:                  battery voltage            

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:59 PM, John Watlington wrote: >> Oh, yeah, you should be able to wire the top side of the LED directly to >> the LED and measure the photovoltaic current directly; that's not patented: >>                  battery voltage >>              Q1  | >> ---from EC--|< _ t

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:38 AM, wrote: >  > By the way, has anyone really thought about this feature ?  I grok >  > the intent, but you have to make >  > sure that kids who happen to be in brightly lit rooms (glaring >  > fluourescents aren't uncommon) >  > don't loose their backlight, and wonder

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-04 Thread Peter Robinson
> we had a dedicated light sensor on the last product i worked on > (which, in retrospect, given that it had 15 watts (!) of > backlight seems like maybe the wrong place to have started trying > to save power ;-).  i implemented a proof-of-concept algorithm > for automatic control, but found it a l

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-02 Thread pgf
john wrote: > > By the way, has anyone really thought about this feature ? I grok > the intent, but you have to make > sure that kids who happen to be in brightly lit rooms (glaring > fluourescents aren't uncommon) > don't loose their backlight, and wonder why ? The keyboard lighting

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-01 Thread John Watlington
The back-bias voltage is a sensitive topic. If you could guarantee periodic clearing of the integrator, I could provide up to 10V or so. Otherwise, it should probably be limited to +3.3V. wad On May 1, 2009, at 11:59 PM, John Watlington wrote: > On May 1, 2009, at 2:28 PM, C. Scott Ananian wr

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-01 Thread John Watlington
On May 1, 2009, at 2:28 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:38 PM, John Watlington > wrote: > > I don't have time to take a look at this right now, > > but we have a A/D input to dedicate to this, if it helps work around > > the patent. > > > > We can talk to MERL if needed

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-01 Thread Nate Ridderman
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:28 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Oh, yeah, you should be able to wire the top side of the LED directly to > the LED and measure the photovoltaic current directly; that's not patented: > battery voltage > Q1 | > ---from EC--|< _ to

Re: Ambient light sensing via LED response

2009-05-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:38 PM, John Watlington wrote: > I don't have time to take a look at this right now, > but we have a A/D input to dedicate to this, if it helps work around > the patent. > > We can talk to MERL if needed. I probably still know a handfull > of people around there. Oh, ye