Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-30 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
At Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:42:51 -0500,
Samuel Klein wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.

  I have to agree wtih David on making a dead cerebrity say something
he didn't say.  And, while the message of Imagine and Lennon have
some overlap with the mission of OLPC, but it is not as big as one
might think.  Looking at Yoko Ono has been saying and doing, she/they
are more into new-agey, peseudo-sciencey, and not quite a good message
in conjunction with education.

  I like some of the songs, and I don't oppose to progressive art and
their activities, but I feel it awkward if people treat Lennon as a
big symbol for practical world changer and not to mention for
education.)

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-30 Thread Bastien
Yoshiki Ohshima yosh...@vpri.org writes:

   I like some of the songs, and I don't oppose to progressive art and
 their activities, but I feel it awkward if people treat Lennon as a
 big symbol for practical world changer and not to mention for
 education.)

Yeah.

Too bad OLPC didn't make an animated movie with Socrates using a XO!

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-29 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Saturday 27 December 2008 20:28:10 da...@lang.hm wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, Samuel Klein wrote:
  Hi,
 
  The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
  released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  If anyone
  makes a screensaver version of the opening sequence, which I love,
  I'll send you my first attempt at a memory-doubled XO.  I'm hoping to
  get more details about how it was made to post as well...  It's had
  50,000 views (wow, make that 65k since I wrote this draft at lunch) in
  the past day.  Details and a couple other awesome video links are up
  on the blog.
   http://blog.laptop.org

 personal opinion here, I don't like using digital fakery to make dead
 celebreties say things that they never said (movies that are clearly
 fiction are an exception to this)

 In this case I think the quality of the audio splicing also leave a lot to
 be desired (but then again, I've never listened to recordings of Lennon
 talking, so it could be his real speech pattern)

 the other videos on the blog are very interesting. I hadn't heard of this
 blog before, thanks for the pointer.

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  I also wouldn't feel comfortable articulating dead people imagery to make it 
seem like they said something they didn't. No matter how obvious it may seem 
that it is an actor, no matter how much his wife agrees with the statement. 

  I feel Sagan's voice in this video would have made a true a deep message: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLkC7ralR30

  I would suggest Sagan's Cosmos and Pale Blue Dot passages for future ads of 
this nature. There are countless great poets out there, no need to fake them 
:)
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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-28 Thread david
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, Samuel Klein wrote:

 Aha!  Yes, I've made that a response to the recent spot.  As for the
 comments... this is a chance to work on your skill at teaching through
 one-liners.
 There are a few other great videos up that are worth sharing where
 appropriate; Joels video of an 8 and 10-year old repairing a keyboard
 comes to mind.  For those who haven't seen it:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pus_fA1Tv9w

as a suggestion for people generating videos like this, please subtitle 
them in english.

while I understand that much of the world uses a primary laguange other 
than english, english does serve as the common denominator for a lot of 
international communication.

besides, a very large percentage of the people who need to get the message 
are in the US, and very few of them know many other languages.

David Lang

 Project4Awesome has some tips for using YouTube to spread an idea
 [they run an annual 'take over YT for charity' day every Dec. 17] -
 http://www.projectforawesome.com/?page_id=16

 SJ

 On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM, S Page i...@skierpage.com wrote:
  the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in the middle of
 the jungle?  give them food!

 I didn't know about OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop ,
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM
 That video is outstanding!  I don't know how to suggest it as a stock
 response to the doubters.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-28 Thread david
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, S Page wrote:

  the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in
 the middle of the jungle?  give them food!

 I didn't know about OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop ,
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM
 That video is outstanding!  I don't know how to suggest it as a stock
 response to the doubters.

I agree, this is a spectacular video.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-28 Thread Bastien
Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org writes:

 Has that white-on-black version of the logo appeared anywhere else?

I don't know...

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread david
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, Samuel Klein wrote:

 Hi,

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  If anyone
 makes a screensaver version of the opening sequence, which I love,
 I'll send you my first attempt at a memory-doubled XO.  I'm hoping to
 get more details about how it was made to post as well...  It's had
 50,000 views (wow, make that 65k since I wrote this draft at lunch) in
 the past day.  Details and a couple other awesome video links are up
 on the blog.
  http://blog.laptop.org

personal opinion here, I don't like using digital fakery to make dead 
celebreties say things that they never said (movies that are clearly 
fiction are an exception to this)

In this case I think the quality of the audio splicing also leave a lot to 
be desired (but then again, I've never listened to recordings of Lennon 
talking, so it could be his real speech pattern)

the other videos on the blog are very interesting. I hadn't heard of this 
blog before, thanks for the pointer.

David Lang
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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
David,

I believe it's his real speech, with a few composite moments.  It
sounds like other interviews I've heard -- and different from most
singing voice examples in my head.  You're not alone in making that
comment about the voice. Feel free to suggest post topics or
additional videos to review for the blog in the comments.

SJ

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:28 PM,  da...@lang.hm wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, Samuel Klein wrote:

 Hi,

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  If anyone
 makes a screensaver version of the opening sequence, which I love,
 I'll send you my first attempt at a memory-doubled XO.  I'm hoping to
 get more details about how it was made to post as well...  It's had
 50,000 views (wow, make that 65k since I wrote this draft at lunch) in
 the past day.  Details and a couple other awesome video links are up
 on the blog.
  http://blog.laptop.org

 personal opinion here, I don't like using digital fakery to make dead
 celebreties say things that they never said (movies that are clearly fiction
 are an exception to this)

 In this case I think the quality of the audio splicing also leave a lot to
 be desired (but then again, I've never listened to recordings of Lennon
 talking, so it could be his real speech pattern)

 the other videos on the blog are very interesting. I hadn't heard of this
 blog before, thanks for the pointer.

 David Lang

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Bastien
Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org writes:

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.  

I only like the beginning - flying XOs...  the first attempt for a
forthcoming screensaver activity?

For the rest of it, it sounds fake, it's too short, what we see and 
hear is nothing but a distraction from the core message.  Looks like
people have been playing with a beautiful idea, but ended up with a
toy-movie.

My favorite so far is Waveplace's one:

  http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3wB-7JeOE

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org writes:

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.  I'm curious to see reactions from the list.

 I only like the beginning - flying XOs...  the first attempt for a
 forthcoming screensaver activity?

My thoughts exactly.  I'd like to know who wrote the code for that.


 For the rest of it, it sounds fake, it's too short, what we see and
 hear is nothing but a distraction from the core message.  Looks like
 people have been playing with a beautiful idea, but ended up with a
 toy-movie.

 My favorite so far is Waveplace's one:

  http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3wB-7JeOE

It certainly has the best imagery of kids in XO schools.
Has that white-on-black version of the logo appeared anywhere else?

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote:

 I believe it's his real speech, with a few composite moments.  It

I stand corrected; it was an actor.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread S Page
Samuel Klein wrote:

 The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been
 released.

Well it's united Lennon fans, OLPC h8ters, the usual foul-mouthed 
losers, and the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in 
the middle of the jungle?  give them food!  I responded to a few of the 
last, and all my comments got voted off the island.

If you have a youtube account, vote the reasonable responses up.
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_commentsv=4b4GkGMiBDQ

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread S Page
  the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in 
 the middle of the jungle?  give them food! 

I didn't know about OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop ,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM
That video is outstanding!  I don't know how to suggest it as a stock 
response to the doubters.

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Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids

2008-12-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Aha!  Yes, I've made that a response to the recent spot.  As for the
comments... this is a chance to work on your skill at teaching through
one-liners.
There are a few other great videos up that are worth sharing where
appropriate; Joels video of an 8 and 10-year old repairing a keyboard
comes to mind.  For those who haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pus_fA1Tv9w

Project4Awesome has some tips for using YouTube to spread an idea
[they run an annual 'take over YT for charity' day every Dec. 17] -
http://www.projectforawesome.com/?page_id=16

SJ

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM, S Page i...@skierpage.com wrote:
  the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in the middle of
 the jungle?  give them food!

 I didn't know about OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop ,
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM
 That video is outstanding!  I don't know how to suggest it as a stock
 response to the doubters.

 --
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