Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi All.

8-ghz processor ?.


Rafael Ortiz



On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
 http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html

 It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof,
 half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite
 an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75.

 Well, that's cool.

 Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess
 with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether
 this is some kind of art or he's just cheating.

 --Ben


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Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 14:57, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
dir...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All.

 8-ghz processor ?.

I guess it's better to rely on the info here, if you need to:

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_viewnewsId=20091222005779newsLang=en

Regards,

Tomeu


 Rafael Ortiz



 On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
 bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
 http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html

 It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof,
 half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite
 an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75.

 Well, that's cool.

 Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess
 with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether
 this is some kind of art or he's just cheating.

 --Ben


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Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread Tiago Marques
Perhaps a 2GHz quad-core? ARM Cortex-A9 is already dual core and up to 2GHz.

Best regards

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
dir...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All.

 8-ghz processor ?.


 Rafael Ortiz



 On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
 bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
 http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html

 It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof,
 half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite
 an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75.

 Well, that's cool.

 Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess
 with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether
 this is some kind of art or he's just cheating.

 --Ben


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Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread Sameer Verma
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz 
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:


 http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html

 It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof,
 half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite
 an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75.

 Well, that's cool.

 Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess
 with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether
 this is some kind of art or he's just cheating.

 --Ben


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More than anything I find this quote amusing:

We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just
need to threaten to build it.

I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it, threaten
to create content... :-)

Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!!

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Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread Stanley Sokolow
My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of
vaporware come into being.The limiting factor in bringing computing to
the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the
Internet.   Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages
without massive government help, not likely to come about where it is needed
most.  Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost,
not on making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low
cost tablet devices.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:



 On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz 
 bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:


 http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html

 It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof,
 half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite
 an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75.

 Well, that's cool.

 Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess
 with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether
 this is some kind of art or he's just cheating.

 --Ben


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 More than anything I find this quote amusing:

 We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just
 need to threaten to build it.

 I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it,
 threaten to create content... :-)

 Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!!

 Sameer

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Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
About near-zero connectivity cost,

i came across the caua project

http://www.projectcaua.org/

OLPC, and/or others could begin to support these kind of ideas.



Rafael Ortiz



On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.net wrote:
 My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of
 vaporware come into being.    The limiting factor in bringing computing to
 the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the
 Internet.   Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages
 without massive government help, not likely to come about where it is needed
 most.  Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost,
 not on making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low
 cost tablet devices.

 On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:


 On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
 bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:


 http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html

 It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof,
 half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power,
 despite
 an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75.

 Well, that's cool.

 Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess
 with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether
 this is some kind of art or he's just cheating.

 --Ben


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 More than anything I find this quote amusing:

 We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just
 need to threaten to build it.

 I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it,
 threaten to create content... :-)

 Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!!

 Sameer

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Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread Sameer Verma
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.netwrote:

 My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of
 vaporware come into being.The limiting factor in bringing computing to
 the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the
 Internet.


Lack of connectivity did not prevent the non-poor from getting computing.
There was such a time when we didn't have Internet connectivity. It surely
didn't stop us :-) Offline content and offline mirrors on local servers
could very well fill in a large part of the gap.

cheers,
Sameer


 Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages without massive
 government help, not likely to come about where it is needed most.
 Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost, not on
 making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low cost
 tablet devices.

 On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:



 On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz 
 bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:


 http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html

 It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof,
 half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power,
 despite
 an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75.

 Well, that's cool.

 Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess
 with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether
 this is some kind of art or he's just cheating.

 --Ben


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 More than anything I find this quote amusing:

 We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just
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 I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it,
 threaten to create content... :-)

 Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!!

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Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread david

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, Sameer Verma wrote:


On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.netwrote:


My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of
vaporware come into being.The limiting factor in bringing computing to
the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the
Internet.



Lack of connectivity did not prevent the non-poor from getting computing.
There was such a time when we didn't have Internet connectivity. It surely
didn't stop us :-) Offline content and offline mirrors on local servers
could very well fill in a large part of the gap.


the old saying is 'never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon 
filled with tapes'


with current hard drives (1-2TB each), don't underestimate the bandwidth a 
a suitcase on a mule.


when I last ordered drives in bulk I got 20 drives in a box ~6 x 12 x 
18 packed for shipping.


one round trip a week of 20x2TB drives is 554Mb/sec, or 69MB/sec. To 
simply transfering the data to/from the drives would require two drives 
reading continuously all the time at each end to read the data being 
received and two drives writing continuously to write the data being sent


now, this isn't taking into account the horrible latency in this network 
connection ;-) but it means that if there is much of any transportation 
the data can be moved around to make it available.


this won't work for interactive services, but it will work for e-mail, 
data requests, etc.


now this is obviously overkill and beyond what is reasonable to try and 
implement for one data link in the wilderness, but this sort of thing is 
being done today, in first-world countries to move large scientific 
datasets around.


20 drives cost ~$4k, shipping them 2nd day will cost ~$200/shipment 
so shipping this 15 times in a month is ~$3k and result in ~2Gb/sec in 
bandwidth. you won't get 2Gb/sec in connectivity for this price (assuming 
that you can get it to your location in the first place)


David Lang


cheers,
Sameer



Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages without massive
government help, not likely to come about where it is needed most.
Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost, not on
making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low cost
tablet devices.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:




On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz 
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:



http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html

It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof,
half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power,
despite
an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75.

Well, that's cool.

Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess
with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether
this is some kind of art or he's just cheating.

--Ben


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More than anything I find this quote amusing:

We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just
need to threaten to build it.

I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it,
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Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!!

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Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
 http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html

 It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof,
 half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite
 an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75.

 Well, that's cool.

 Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess
 with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether
 this is some kind of art or he's just cheating.

I would take it all with a large dose of salt. They are design
drawings. To use a quote from Nicholas Negroponte that Engadget list
in their article [1] Sure, if I were a commercial entity coming to
you for investment, and I'd made the projections I had in the past,
you wouldn't invest again, but we're not a commercial operation. If we
only achieve half of what we're setting out to do, it could have very
big consequences. so they are concept and could all go the way of the
XO-2 between now and 2012. They look cool none the less and with the
supposed launch of a tablet in Jan with a Pixel Qi screen may not be
that far away.

Peter

[1] 
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/22/olpc-shows-off-absurdly-thin-xo-3-concept-tablet-for-2012/
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Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread John Gilmore
 I would take it all with a large dose of salt.

Also, as usual, the left hand at OLPC doesn't know what the right hand
is doing.  The press release isn't on www.laptop.org, nor is there
anything in www.laptop.org or wiki.laptop.org about the XO-3 (or even
the XO-1.75).  The press release (which is on Business Wire) links to
30 megs of nice publicity photos -- which nobody can download any more,
because they're on a foolish hosting site that has reached its
download limit.  Etc.

John


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Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread John Watlington

On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:33 PM, John Gilmore wrote:

 I would take it all with a large dose of salt.

 Also, as usual, the left hand at OLPC doesn't know what the right hand
 is doing.  The press release isn't on www.laptop.org, nor is there
 anything in www.laptop.org or wiki.laptop.org about the XO-3 (or even
 the XO-1.75).  The press release (which is on Business Wire) links to
 30 megs of nice publicity photos -- which nobody can download any  
 more,
 because they're on a foolish hosting site that has reached its
 download limit.  Etc.

My sentiments exactly.   The press release
was solely from the industrial designers, with no
feedback nor approval from the team that
will actually have to make their dreams
become reality.

wad

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Re: XO-3 official

2009-12-23 Thread Neil Graham
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 18:33 -0800, John Gilmore wrote:
  I would take it all with a large dose of salt.
 
 Also, as usual, the left hand at OLPC doesn't know what the right hand
 is doing. 
Actually I think the hands are all doing a very good job.  It's the head
that needs attention.

One thing does interest me however. the comment it plans to open the
architecture of the device to allow any other PC maker to take over the
project. 

Is this in the realms of possibility for the XO-1/1.5?  Specifically,
would OLPC allow a 3rd party to manufacture a system with their own
motherboard using the XO-1 case, battery and screen.  Perhaps with a
colour change to make it distinctive as another product.

 


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