Re: move to rawhide update (Fedora QA breakage)

2009-04-08 Thread John Gilmore
II. - What for me is an inhibitor is the bugzilla section tell us how to reproduce the problem. I have no desire whatsoever to try Mikus unfortunately plays a troll on the Internet. He probably isn't one in real life, but the way he uses the XO is extremely unusual, so he views the XO in

Re: move to rawhide update (Fedora QA breakage)

2009-04-08 Thread Peter Robinson
Now I see what's going on.  Clueless people are crashing around in the bug database, helping developers by hassling users.  Then if you don't answer the idiots, 30 days later they close out your bug report as CLOSED:INSUFFICIENT_DATA.  Instead of a bridge, they seem to be more of a barrier,

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-08 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/4/8 John Gilmore g...@toad.com: Since OLPC's upstream is both Linus's kernel releases, and Fedora's distributions, there are two upstream places to push OLPC's hardware support patches to.  Have we only been trying to get them into one of those places (Linus's)? The F11 kernel currently

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I thought now that we're getting closer to the Fedora 11 freeze it would be a good time for everyone to where they're at as we move towards F-11/9.1.0/olpc-next. My biggest current question is: When on my XO I enter 'yum check-update' (using either the latest SoaS2 .iso or the latest

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
 My biggest current question is:  When on my XO I enter 'yum check-update' (using either the latest SoaS2 .iso or the latest ~cjb/rawhide-xo .img), it tells me that there are more than 220 packages at the rawhide repositories that are at a more recent version level than those provided by the

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
 Why don't the SoaS/~cjb distributions contain the latest rawhide packages ? Because rawhide is a daily moving development target. Aren't you both right?  The builds contain the latest rawhide packages as of the image creation date, right?  Thus if it's no longer the instant the image

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Greg Dekoenigsberg
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, p...@laptop.org wrote: as mikus said, his applications all worked before. this is a regression, plain an simple, *with respect to the previous XO releases*. now, to the extent that fedora doesn't really care about any specific piece of hardware, especially one which

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
   II. - What for me is an inhibitor is the bugzilla section tell us how to   reproduce the problem.  I have no desire whatsoever to try to describe how   to obtain the Fluendo mp3 codec for an XO, nor how to follow its   instructions for seeing if it works.  I have even less desire to

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
If we are talking about 9.1.0, it would be nice if 'sound' and 'moving pictures' worked in F-11 on the XO. Currently they don't. Are there bugzilla reports for these? I. - I haven't figured out how to do an exhaustive search on bugzilla. 'OLPC' picks up some; 'XO' picks up some;

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
Are there bugzilla reports for these?  I. - I haven't figured out how to do an exhaustive search on bugzilla.  'OLPC' picks up some; 'XO' picks up some; '461806' picks up some.  But let me emphasize once again - bugzilla appears to be aimed at the problems of developers (and isn't optimal

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread pgf
peter, and greg -- greg wrote: Whichever way you go, strong leadership, patience, and many hands are required to fight through the problems. If the community cares enough and develops the necessary leadership, the project moves forward. But it's never easy. It is my hope that

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Greg Dekoenigsberg
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, p...@laptop.org wrote: peter, and greg -- greg wrote: Whichever way you go, strong leadership, patience, and many hands are required to fight through the problems. If the community cares enough and develops the necessary leadership, the project moves forward. But

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread John Gilmore
The main and probably most major issues outstanding are the kernel/boot process - so kernel/initscripts/olpcrd/initscripts/upstart/rainbow collection of stuff of which I have no real idea about. Updates? It's pretty trivial to disable Rainbow, whereas it's not trivial to get maintainers

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread pgf
john wrote: It looks like perhaps the kernel changes have slipped right through the F11 schedule. Is it seriously likely that the F11 kernel for the record, this was a conscious decision. everyone knew there wouldn't be time to get XO-specific changes upstream, and back to fedora, before

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Chris Ball
Hi John, It's pretty trivial to disable Rainbow, whereas it's not trivial to get maintainers of half a dozen packages to adopt patches that let them deal with Rainbow. Yes, we aren't using rainbow in the F11 builds. Some of the initscript changes related to the bizarre idea of

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
Paul,   Whichever way you go, strong leadership, patience, and many hands are   required to fight through the problems.  If the community cares enough and   develops the necessary leadership, the project moves forward.  But it's   never easy.     It is my hope that people continue to use

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi Chris,   It's pretty trivial to disable Rainbow, whereas it's not trivial to   get maintainers of half a dozen packages to adopt patches that let   them deal with Rainbow. Yes, we aren't using rainbow in the F11 builds.   Some of the initscript changes related to the bizarre idea of

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, So is that trying to get them into 2.6.30? Yes, that would be ideal. - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Kevin Sonney
Given everything discussed so far, is it worth considering an F11-OLPC branch, with the intent of merging with F12? -- Kevin Sonney -- ke...@sonney.com “Around here, however, we don’t look backwards for very long. We keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things… and curiosity

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 05:17:09PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:  Why don't the SoaS/~cjb distributions contain the latest rawhide packages ? Because rawhide is a daily moving development target. Aren't you both right? The builds contain the latest rawhide packages as of the image creation