logging/debugging

2017-05-19 Thread Hal Murray via devel
Have you thought about logging and/or printout for debugging? We have DEBUG and DPRINTF. I almost never use them because the signal to noise is so low - it prints stuff from all over but I'm only interested in one small corner. I occasionally add various msyslog lines when I'm chasing a bug a

Re: logging/debugging

2017-05-19 Thread Mark Atwood via devel
I often use DEBUG_MRA_FOO, and then use judgement and taste as to leave it in or not. I use "is it worth writing the documentation for it" as part of deciding to leave it in or not, and also "am I absolutely sure I have characterized and fixed this bug such that I'm sure it's fixed, and will not r

✘ Unknown variable. Trying one at a time.

2017-05-19 Thread Gary E. Miller via devel
Yo All! Hwne did ntpq start doing ths? ntpq> sysinfo Unknown variable. Trying one at a time. associd=0 status=0418 leap_none, sync_uhf_radio, 1 event, no_sys_peer, system peer:127.127.28.1:123 system peer mode: client leap indicator: 00 stratum:

Re: Unknown variable. Trying one at a time.

2017-05-19 Thread Hal Murray via devel
> What does this mean, when did it start, and why? >Unknown variable. Trying one at a time. I think I added that a long time ago. (several/many months) The idea is backward compatibility with older versions of ntpd after we added something to one of the commands that prints a cluster of in

Re: Unknown variable. Trying one at a time.

2017-05-19 Thread Gary E. Miller via devel
Yo Hal! On Fri, 19 May 2017 12:28:06 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > > What does this mean, when did it start, and why? > >Unknown variable. Trying one at a time. > > I think I added that a long time ago. (several/many months) > > The idea is backward compatibility with older versions of ntp

Re: Unknown variable. Trying one at a time.

2017-05-19 Thread Hal Murray via devel
> OK, but why bother the user with the low lever details? UNless you are > debugging? No good reason one way or the other. I was happy that it started printing out stuff again. Some sort of feedback seems appropriate. Maybe it should print something like "(not available)" for the slots the

Re: Unknown variable. Trying one at a time.

2017-05-19 Thread Gary E. Miller via devel
Yo Hal! On Fri, 19 May 2017 13:00:19 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > > OK, but why bother the user with the low lever details? UNless you > > are debugging? > > No good reason one way or the other. I was happy that it started > printing out stuff again. Yes, that was progress. > Some sort of f

Re: Unknown variable. Trying one at a time.

2017-05-19 Thread Hal Murray via devel
> Not useful unless it tells also you what variable was not available. Yes. I was thinking of something like: abc: True foo: (not available) xyz: 13 > Also, maybe should need a 'verbose' option (-v) before it is output. The catch with that is that the default doesn't tell you that you ar

Re: Unknown variable. Trying one at a time.

2017-05-19 Thread Gary E. Miller via devel
Yo Hal! On Fri, 19 May 2017 13:19:26 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > > Not useful unless it tells also you what variable was not > > available. > > Yes. I was thinking of something like: > abc: True > foo: (not available) > xyz: 13 Works for me. > > Also, maybe should need a 'verbose' opti