[Development] Svar: Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Andy Shaw
I can’t speak for QtCentre as that is not something the Qt Project has any control over at all. But forum.qt.io is using NodeBB which is an OpenSource project, so unless I am missing something then it is free software. Andy Fra: Development på vegne av Jason H Dato: onsdag, 19. mai 2021 kl.

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Kai Köhne
> -Original Message- > From: Jason H > Subject: Re: RE: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC > > > > Can we agree to keep the bashing out of this channel? > > You raise important questions. First, what is "bashing", and where is it > appropriate? Or, as I see my behavior, where is

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
On 19/05/2021 22:41, Tuukka Turunen wrote: While many are still somewhat tuned in on the IRC channel it is clear that the traffic is very modest. It may be that having another system would work better, or perhaps the mailing lists and other available channels are adequate for the need. To

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
On 19/05/2021 22:12, Jason H wrote: where is it appropriate? Possibly, not in a thread that tries to talk about the Qt community presence on IRC...? Thanks, -- Giuseppe D'Angelo | giuseppe.dang...@kdab.com | Senior Software Engineer KDAB (France) S.A.S., a KDAB Group company Tel. France +33

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi Jason, You can check the planned modules for Qt 6.2 from: https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-roadmap-for-2021 The first snapshot of Qt 6.2 does not yet contain all of those, but then again we are still some weeks (2.5) away from FF. It is ok to discuss this type of matters in the mailing list, but

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Jason H
> Can we agree to keep the bashing out of this channel? You raise important questions. First, what is "bashing", and where is it appropriate? Or, as I see my behavior, where is being critical of Digia appropriate? As a long-time Qt user (first commercial license was for 3.3.3) I've seen it go

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
On 19/05/2021 19:31, André Pönitz wrote: And now since we are on it: Can someone please remove the +r from #qt ? All other #qt-* channels at FreeNode are fine without. You could just ask... on IRC :-) It was done to prevent spam. #qt gets periodically rallied by spambots, which tend to

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Shawn Rutledge
> On 2021 May 19, at 18:21, Jason H wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:30, Jason H wrote: >>> >>> Aren't all the kids these days moving to Discord? >> >> Discord is not free software, so it does not align well with a free >> software project. > > QtCentre is not free software

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
On 19/05/2021 18:21, Jason H wrote: QtCentre is not free software forum.qt.io is not free software What is the point of having alignment on the license of the service with the project license? Shouldn't the service be able to pick the best (for various definitions of "best") software for

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread André Pönitz
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 05:03:24PM +0200, Ulf Hermann wrote: > > Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really take > > this as an opportunity to move to another chat service as the > > official Qt Project chat. IRC has a terrible user experience and is > > not at all accessible

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread André Pönitz
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 02:37:26PM +, Andy Nichols wrote: > Hello, > > Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really take > this as an opportunity to move to another chat service as the official > Qt Project chat. > > IRC has a terrible user experience and is not at all

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Kai Köhne
> -Original Message- > From: Development On Behalf Of Jason H > Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2021 17:26 > To: giuseppe.dang...@kdab.com > Cc: development@qt-project.org > Subject: Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC > > Aren't all the kids these days moving to Discord? Slack is

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Jason H
> Hi! > > On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:30, Jason H wrote: > > > > Aren't all the kids these days moving to Discord? > > Discord is not free software, so it does not align well with a free > software project. QtCentre is not free software forum.qt.io is not free software What is the point of having

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Kyle Edwards via Development
On 5/19/21 11:57 AM, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: Discord is not free software, so it does not align well with a free software project. +1 Kyle ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
Hi! On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:30, Jason H wrote: > > Aren't all the kids these days moving to Discord? Discord is not free software, so it does not align well with a free software project. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Carl Schwan
Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 5:24 PM, Shawn Rutledge a écrit : > > On 2021 May 19, at 17:14, Carl Schwan wrote: > > > > Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 4:49 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development > > a écrit : > > > > > On 19/05/2021 16:37, Andy Nichols wrote: > > > > > > > Rather than just move to

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Jason H
Aren't all the kids these days moving to Discord? Slack is inefficient as the history is rolling unless you pay for more. I would worry about moving it under Digia (tQtCo), because I'd expect them to encumber the access to it(paywall, ads, tracking, etc*). I don't trust them. Perhaps the KDE

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On 2021 May 19, at 17:14, Carl Schwan mailto:c...@carlschwan.eu>> wrote: Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 4:49 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development mailto:development@qt-project.org>> a écrit : On 19/05/2021 16:37, Andy Nichols wrote: Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Carl Schwan
Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 4:49 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development a écrit : > On 19/05/2021 16:37, Andy Nichols wrote: > > > Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really take this as > > an opportunity to move to another chat service as the official Qt Project > > chat.

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Ulf Hermann
Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really take this as an opportunity to move to another chat service as the official Qt Project chat. IRC has a terrible user experience and is not at all accessible for people who haven't been using it for decades like many of us. It does us

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
On 19/05/2021 16:37, Andy Nichols wrote: Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really take this as an opportunity to move to another chat service as the official Qt Project chat. IRC has a terrible user experience and is not at all accessible for people who haven't been

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 11:18, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote: > > Hi, > > Freenode, the network that hosts our IRC communities, is in the middle > of some important community changes. TL;DR: most of the volunteer staff > resigned in protest with what looks like a sell-out of the network

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Andy Nichols
Hello, Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really take this as an opportunity to move to another chat service as the official Qt Project chat. IRC has a terrible user experience and is not at all accessible for people who haven't been using it for decades like many of us.

[Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-19 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Hi, Freenode, the network that hosts our IRC communities, is in the middle of some important community changes. TL;DR: most of the volunteer staff resigned in protest with what looks like a sell-out of the network and its user data. You can read some more details here: