Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-28 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
You know what bothers me the most about all this? Qt is becoming your average AAA game developer. They are essentially selling us time savers. Most of the attached value of the commercial license isn't something that is inherent to the license but stuff that everyone can do anyway, just with a

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-28 Thread Vitaly Fanaskov
> That fork will be necessary because you can't just switch > projects like KDE from Qt 5 to Qt 6 overnight, it will take years to do it! In light of this, it's probably worth thinking about releasing a new major version of Qt each year. It also might solve some other problems. So, how about Qt

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-28 Thread coroberti .
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM Konstantin Shegunov wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 4:36 PM Lars Knoll wrote: >> >> One is a change in policy regarding the LTS releases, where the LTS part of >> a release is in the future going to be restricted to commercial customers. >> All bug fixes

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-28 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
There will be no offline installer for non paying people. That is the hurdle. Did you even read the actual blog post? On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 5:22 AM Thiago Macieira wrote: > On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 14:47:46 PST NIkolai Marchenko > wrote: > > Assuming we have a VM that is

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-28 Thread Konstantin Shegunov
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 4:36 PM Lars Knoll wrote: > One is a change in policy regarding the LTS releases, where the LTS part > of a release is in the future going to be restricted to commercial > customers. All bug fixes will (as agreed on the Qt Contributor Summit) go > into dev first.

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-28 Thread Christian Kandeler
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 19:09:43 +0100 Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote: > Il 27/01/20 16:57, Benjamin TERRIER ha scritto: > > *We do hope that this eases your concerns, and that we can continue > > with your trust*. > > > >

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-28 Thread Allan Sandfeld Jensen
On Dienstag, 28. Januar 2020 03:27:04 CET Thiago Macieira wrote: > On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 15:16:35 PST Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Thiago Macieira wrote: > > > All security fixes are made available to everyone, for all Qt versions > > > that they affect, provided it's still a

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-28 Thread Christian Gagneraud
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020, 20:50 Thiago Macieira, wrote: > On Monday, 27 January 2020 22:37:47 PST Benjamin TERRIER wrote: > > You might have missed the info because it is in the blog post, but not in > > Lars email: > > > > There will be no more open source offline installer. > > Thanks, I stand

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday, 27 January 2020 22:37:47 PST Benjamin TERRIER wrote: > You might have missed the info because it is in the blog post, but not in > Lars email: > > There will be no more open source offline installer. Thanks, I stand corrected. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Bogdan Vatra via Development
În ziua de marți, 28 ianuarie 2020, la 08:37:47 EET, Benjamin TERRIER a scris: > Le mar. 28 janv. 2020 à 03:22, Thiago Macieira > > a écrit : > > On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 14:47:46 PST NIkolai Marchenko > > > > wrote: > > > Assuming we have a VM that is restricted to connecting to

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Elvis Stansvik
Den tis 28 jan. 2020 kl 08:01 skrev Elvis Stansvik : > > Den tis 28 jan. 2020 kl 03:19 skrev Thiago Macieira > : > > > > On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 14:48:17 PST Alexander Akulich > > wrote: > > > I would expect a significant negative effect on the quality of Qt > > > shipped in

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Elvis Stansvik
Den tis 28 jan. 2020 kl 03:19 skrev Thiago Macieira : > > On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 14:48:17 PST Alexander Akulich wrote: > > I would expect a significant negative effect on the quality of Qt > > shipped in Linux distributions and thus negative effect on the > > Qt-based applications

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Benjamin TERRIER
Le mar. 28 janv. 2020 à 03:22, Thiago Macieira a écrit : > On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 14:47:46 PST NIkolai Marchenko > wrote: > > Assuming we have a VM that is restricted to connecting to the internet, > we > > previously could dump the installer there and install Qt. > > Now, we

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 15:16:35 PST Kevin Kofler wrote: > Thiago Macieira wrote: > > All security fixes are made available to everyone, for all Qt versions > > that they affect, provided it's still a supported Qt version > > (or it was easy to make the fix). > > How will this

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 14:30:56 PST Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote: > Il 27/01/20 22:52, Thiago Macieira ha scritto: > > All security fixes are made available to everyone, for all Qt versions > > that > > they affect, provided it's still a supported Qt version (or it was

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 14:47:46 PST NIkolai Marchenko wrote: > Assuming we have a VM that is restricted to connecting to the internet, we > previously could dump the installer there and install Qt. > Now, we need to have an intermediary PC with the same OS to first install > the

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 14:48:17 PST Alexander Akulich wrote: > I would expect a significant negative effect on the quality of Qt > shipped in Linux distributions and thus negative effect on the > Qt-based applications and Qt reputation. That is debatable since most Linux

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Thiago Macieira wrote: > All security fixes are made available to everyone, for all Qt versions > that they affect, provided it's still a supported Qt version > (or it was easy to make the fix). How will this work for QtWebEngine? There are a few dozen security fixes at each QtWebEngine point

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Alexander Akulich wrote: > I would expect a significant negative effect on the quality of Qt > shipped in Linux distributions and thus negative effect on the > Qt-based applications and Qt reputation. > > A maintainer can assume a bit more backporting, but let's have some > retrospective on the

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 27/01/20 23:15, Cristián Maureira-Fredes ha scritto: Hello David, On 1/27/20 11:00 PM, David Edmundson wrote: All security fixes are made available to everyone, for all Qt versions that they affect, provided it's still a supported Qt version (or it was easy to make the fix). If we could

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Ville Voutilainen
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 00:43, Benjamin TERRIER wrote: > > > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 23:23, Ville Voutilainen > wrote: >> >> >> Correct. Necessary for specific purpose seems to be what article 5 >> requires, and then you get explicit consent for that >> specific purpose, and GDPR's articles 5

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Alexander Akulich
I would expect a significant negative effect on the quality of Qt shipped in Linux distributions and thus negative effect on the Qt-based applications and Qt reputation. A maintainer can assume a bit more backporting, but let's have some retrospective on the current LTS: Compared to Qt 5.12.2,

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
Assuming we have a VM that is restricted to connecting to the internet, we previously could dump the installer there and install Qt. Now, we need to have an intermediary PC with the same OS to first install the binaries via online installer and then copy those binary files to that first VM. This

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 27/01/20 23:31, Benjamin TERRIER ha scritto: The wiki states that "5.15 is 'dev' in the Qt 5 series", so my understanding is that all fixes, even those for the commercial LTS will need to go through the public 5.15 branch. The wiki is wrong. Let's please not open the discussion about the

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Benjamin TERRIER
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 23:23, Ville Voutilainen wrote: > > Correct. Necessary for specific purpose seems to be what article 5 > requires, and then you get explicit consent for that > specific purpose, and GDPR's articles 5 and 6 are covered (of course > the rest of article 5's requirements need

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Dmitriy Purgin
Hi Cristián, surely, everyone is technically able to cherry-pick and backport bug fixes into their local Qt versions but not everybody has resources and/or knowledge to do so. I personally think this could be an inflection point into forking the Qt 5 "Community Edition", with all binary builds

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Benjamin TERRIER
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 23:29, Ville Voutilainen wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 00:17, Cristián Maureira-Fredes > wrote: > > > > Hello David, > > > > On 1/27/20 11:00 PM, David Edmundson wrote: > > >> All security fixes are made available to everyone, for all Qt > versions that > > >> they

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 27/01/20 22:52, Thiago Macieira ha scritto: All security fixes are made available to everyone, for all Qt versions that they affect, provided it's still a supported Qt version (or it was easy to make the fix). I asked before, and got no reply: how, by whom, hosted where? Thanks, --

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Elvis Stansvik
Den mån 27 jan. 2020 kl 23:16 skrev Cristián Maureira-Fredes : > > Hello David, > > On 1/27/20 11:00 PM, David Edmundson wrote: > >> All security fixes are made available to everyone, for all Qt versions that > >> they affect, provided it's still a supported Qt version (or it was easy to > >> make

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Ville Voutilainen
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 00:17, Cristián Maureira-Fredes wrote: > > Hello David, > > On 1/27/20 11:00 PM, David Edmundson wrote: > >> All security fixes are made available to everyone, for all Qt versions that > >> they affect, provided it's still a supported Qt version (or it was easy to > >> make

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Ville Voutilainen
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 00:04, Benjamin TERRIER wrote: >> >> I know, but since there's no free right to download binaries, GDPR >> >> doesn't prevent getting explicit consent before allowing >> >> a download. Would you like me to give people more ideas? :) >> > GDPR states that data collection

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Cristián Maureira-Fredes
Hello David, On 1/27/20 11:00 PM, David Edmundson wrote: >> All security fixes are made available to everyone, for all Qt versions that >> they affect, provided it's still a supported Qt version (or it was easy to >> make the fix). >> > If we could have that explicitly in writing from TQC, that

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Lars Knoll wrote: > One is a change in policy regarding the LTS releases, where the LTS part > of a release is in the future going to be restricted to commercial > customers. All bug fixes will (as agreed on the Qt Contributor Summit) go > into dev first. Backporting bug fixes is something that

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Benjamin TERRIER
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 22:56, Ville Voutilainen wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 23:43, Benjamin TERRIER > wrote: > > >> I know, but since there's no free right to download binaries, GDPR > >> doesn't prevent getting explicit consent before allowing > >> a download. Would you like me to give

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread David Edmundson
> All security fixes are made available to everyone, for all Qt versions that > they affect, provided it's still a supported Qt version (or it was easy to > make the fix). > If we could have that explicitly in writing from TQC, that would mean a lot. I can easily envision a situation that affects

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Ville Voutilainen
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 23:43, Benjamin TERRIER wrote: >> I know, but since there's no free right to download binaries, GDPR >> doesn't prevent getting explicit consent before allowing >> a download. Would you like me to give people more ideas? :) > GDPR states that data collection shall be

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 07:26:55 PST NIkolai Marchenko wrote: > > they will be available 12 months after their commercial release > > That's 12 months for cybercriminals to exploit already fixed > vulnerabilities in open source distros... All security fixes are made available to

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Dmitriy Purgin
What will happen to Qt for Python? As for now, its binaries can be just downloaded using pip (a Python package manager). Will it change as well? Cheers Dmitriy On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 3:35 PM Lars Knoll wrote: > Hi all, > > The Qt Company has done some adjustments to the Qt will be offered in

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 10:39:44 PST Elvis Stansvik wrote: > So? I have an account because I want to contribute. Does not mean I > want to log in to download (especially not from CI). The CI aspect is actually pretty relevant. Aside from Appveyor, most other CI systems with

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Benjamin TERRIER
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 22:35, Ville Voutilainen wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 23:12, André Somers wrote: > > > > > > On 27/01/2020 22:07, Ville Voutilainen wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 21:56, Dmitriy Purgin > wrote: > > >> By the way, gathering emails by requiring an account to

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 27 de janeiro de 2020 08:23:56 PST NIkolai Marchenko wrote: > But there will likely be changes to the desire of people to develop. > Imagine an opensource contributor making a security fix who knows other > opensource users on older branches aren't going to receive it and there

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Ville Voutilainen
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 23:12, André Somers wrote: > > > On 27/01/2020 22:07, Ville Voutilainen wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 21:56, Dmitriy Purgin wrote: > >> By the way, gathering emails by requiring an account to download the > >> software without any technical reason might be indeed an

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Dmitriy Purgin
I am not a lawyer too, but in this case, if I download Qt for personal reasons (hobby projects) I act as a natural person, and The Qt Company gathers my email address, and this is personal information. Of course, I consent to this specifically but the thing is, I have to consent because The Qt

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Pier Luigi Fiorini
Il giorno lun 27 gen 2020 alle ore 22:01 Alexander Akulich < akulichalexan...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > You already made life harder by licensing Qt under GPL v3. Of course, > it has pros and cons, but let's jump to the consequence: we have > Sailfish OS out of the boat. The OS could have a

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread André Somers
On 27/01/2020 22:07, Ville Voutilainen wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 21:56, Dmitriy Purgin wrote: By the way, gathering emails by requiring an account to download the software without any technical reason might be indeed an example of a GDPR violation. I am not a lawyer, but I am unaware of

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Ville Voutilainen
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 21:56, Dmitriy Purgin wrote: > > By the way, gathering emails by requiring an account to download the software > without any technical reason might be indeed an example of a GDPR violation. I am not a lawyer, but I am unaware of any free software license that gives you a

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Alexander Akulich
Your decision is not a reason to contribute more. It is going to hurt the ecosystem because it makes it harder to get new developers and users. In some of my previous companies, we had a long release cycle so as a Linux developer I could justify my paid time spent on upstreaming a fix to get it

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Dmitriy Purgin
By the way, gathering emails by requiring an account to download the software without any technical reason might be indeed an example of a GDPR violation. Cheers Dmitriy On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:36 PM Frederik Schwarzer wrote: > Am 27.01.2020 15:34 schrieb Lars Knoll: > > Hi, > > > The second

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 27/01/20 19:28, Tuukka Turunen ha scritto: I do not know why the link does not work. But I remember that post very well. [snip] I wasn't commenting on the merits of the new decision, but on the choice of hiding a blog post that was perfectly visible until a few hours ago. My 2 c, --

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
27.01.2020, 21:30, "Tuukka Turunen" : > Hi, > > I do not know why the link does not work. But I remember that post very well. > > On hindsight, it was too much of a rush back then to ask everyone to create a > Qt account immediately. > > As I wrote in my earlier reply, situation is different

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Elvis Stansvik
> Lähettäjä: Development käyttäjän > Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development puolesta > Lähetetty: maanantaina, tammikuuta 27, 2020 8:13 ip. > Vastaanottaja: development@qt-project.org > Aihe: Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering > > Il 27/01/20 16:57, Benjamin TERRIER ha

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Frederik Schwarzer
Am 27.01.2020 15:34 schrieb Lars Knoll: Hi, The second change is that a Qt Account will be in the future required for binary packages. We (as an embedded software company) depend a lot on commercial hardware with the software tools that are provided by the hardware vendors. The most

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Tuukka Turunen
27, 2020 8:13 ip. Vastaanottaja: development@qt-project.org Aihe: Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering Il 27/01/20 16:57, Benjamin TERRIER ha scritto: We do hope that this eases your concerns, and that we can continue with your trust. https://www.qt.io/blog/2015/05/06/changing-qt-account

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Elvis Stansvik
Den mån 27 jan. 2020 kl 19:12 skrev Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development : > > Il 27/01/20 16:57, Benjamin TERRIER ha scritto: > > We do hope that this eases your concerns, and that we can continue with your > trust. > > >

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 27/01/20 16:57, Benjamin TERRIER ha scritto: *We do hope that this eases your concerns, and that we can continue with your trust*. https://www.qt.io/blog/2015/05/06/changing-qt-account-to-be-optional-in-the-online-installer That blog post is now removed. The URL is correct, as it's

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Cristian Adam
> -Original Message- > From: Development On Behalf Of > Konstantin Tokarev > Sent: Monday, 27 January 2020 17:52 > To: Lars Knoll ; Qt development mailing list > > Subject: Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering > > > > 27.01.2020, 17:36, &qu

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 27/01/20 18:39, NIkolai Marchenko ha scritto: Honestly, if we think into the future it looks like compiling qt is too straightforward and doesn't incentivise commercial licenses enough. So the next big thing will be to make compiling qt an "evolving experience" with flags and possible 

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
, but we believe that we provide value to >> our users through the installer and the Qt Marketplace to justify the Qt >> Account.“ >> >> Yours, >> >> Tuukka >> >> -- >> *Lähettäjä:* Development käyttäjän >> Benjamin TER

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
Literally this whole thing could be: "we're making a cheaper offering for small teams" and see where it goes. Instead it's one wholesome " you!" package to the community at large. On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:55 PM Florian Bruhin wrote: > Hey, > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 04:00:48PM +,

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
27.01.2020, 17:36, "Lars Knoll" : > The second change is that a Qt Account will be in the future required for > binary packages. Source code will continue to be available as currently. This > will simplify distribution and integration with the Marketplace. In addition, > we want open source

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Florian Bruhin
Hey, On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 04:00:48PM +, Tuukka Turunen wrote: > After the change every release of Qt will look like a non-lts release for > open-source users. Think of Qt 5.14 as an example. It was released in > December. Today it received the first patch release. There will be more >

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
> A: We have had the Qt Account as an option for over 4 years, and during that time there has been already nearly a million people who have registered and verified their Qt Account. And how many of them use these accounts to download qt, eh? I bet you they only use the acc to login to bugtracker

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Benjamin TERRIER
installer and the Qt Marketplace to justify the Qt > Account.“ > > Yours, > > Tuukka > > -- > *Lähettäjä:* Development käyttäjän > Benjamin TERRIER puolesta > *Lähetetty:* maanantaina, tammikuuta 27, 2020 6:03 ip. > *Vastaanottaja:* Qt dev

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
On 27/01/2020 17:25, Simon Hausmann wrote: The development model where changes go to dev first was indeed a topic of discussion at the Qt Contributor Summit. This also means that all security fixes will see the light of day on the dev branch first, in public, in Gerrit. Some other remark (and

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
> and the offline installer will become available to commercial licensees only Not to mention "free qt binaries installer" will become a third party thing like, immediately. On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:37 PM Benjamin TERRIER wrote: > My understanding of the agreement between The Qt Company and

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
gt; *Lähettäjä:* Development käyttäjän > Benjamin TERRIER puolesta > *Lähetetty:* maanantaina, tammikuuta 27, 2020 6:03 ip. > *Vastaanottaja:* Qt development mailing list > *Aihe:* Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering > > Quoting The Qt Company itslef: > > Thanks for your feedba

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Benjamin TERRIER
My understanding of the agreement between The Qt Company and the KDE Free Qt Foundation is that if the Qt Company releases a commercial Qt version without releasing the corresponding open-source version within 12 months, the ownership of Qt will be transferred to the KDE Free Qt Foundation under a

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Benjamin TERRIER puolesta Lähetetty: maanantaina, tammikuuta 27, 2020 6:03 ip. Vastaanottaja: Qt development mailing list Aihe: Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering Quoting The Qt Company itslef: Thanks for your feedback to the new online installer asking for a Qt Account signup. We have

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Simon Hausmann
Am 27.01.20 um 17:13 schrieb Bogdan Vatra via Development: > Hi Lars, > > În ziua de luni, 27 ianuarie 2020, la 16:34:44 EET, Lars Knoll a scris: >> Hi all, > [...] >> One is a change in policy regarding the LTS releases, where the LTS part of >> a release is in the future going to be restricted

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
> None of these changes should affect how Qt is being developed. There won’t be any changes to Open Governance or the open development model. But there will likely be changes to the desire of people to develop. Imagine an opensource contributor making a security fix who knows other opensource

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Bogdan Vatra via Development
Hi Lars, În ziua de luni, 27 ianuarie 2020, la 16:34:44 EET, Lars Knoll a scris: > Hi all, [...] > > One is a change in policy regarding the LTS releases, where the LTS part of > a release is in the future going to be restricted to commercial customers. > All bug fixes will (as agreed on the Qt

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
Just this change in general reads: "We're going to annoy and inconvenience as much users as possible so that they buy our stuff" On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:09 PM NIkolai Marchenko wrote: > > The second change is that a Qt Account will be in the future required > for binary packages. > > I would

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
> The second change is that a Qt Account will be in the future required for binary packages. I would like to raise a serious security issue with this change. Oftentimes, you need qt binaries within a VM. Also, oftentimes, VM is stubborn and refuses to accept pastes. This means people will use

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Tuukka Turunen
puolesta Lähetetty: Monday, January 27, 2020 5:45:32 PM Vastaanottaja: NIkolai Marchenko Kopio: Qt development mailing list Aihe: Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 17:36, NIkolai Marchenko wrote: > > > I expect security fixes > but that's basically

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Benjamin TERRIER
Quoting The Qt Company itslef: Thanks for your feedback to the new online installer asking for a Qt > Account signup. We have evaluated the feedback received via the blog, > various discussion forums, irc and other channels. Based on all these > comments and discussions with our partners we

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Kai Köhne
> Von: Development Im Auftrag von NIkolai > Marchenko > Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 16:27 > An: Ville Voutilainen > Cc: Qt development mailing list > Betreff: Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering > >>  they will be available 12 months after their commer

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Ville Voutilainen
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 17:36, NIkolai Marchenko wrote: > > > I expect security fixes > but that's basically what an LTS is ... isn't it? An LTS gets rather more than just security fixes; an example of that is compiler compatibility fixes. Some of us, including Qt employees, backport bug fixes

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
> I expect security fixes but that's basically what an LTS is ... isn't it? On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:33 PM Ville Voutilainen < ville.voutilai...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 17:27, NIkolai Marchenko > wrote: > > > > > they will be available 12 months after their commercial

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Ville Voutilainen
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 17:27, NIkolai Marchenko wrote: > > > they will be available 12 months after their commercial release > > That's 12 months for cybercriminals to exploit already fixed vulnerabilities > in open source distros... I expect security fixes to be made available to everyone,

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
> they will be available 12 months after their commercial release That's 12 months for cybercriminals to exploit already fixed vulnerabilities in open source distros... On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:23 PM Ville Voutilainen < ville.voutilai...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 16:52,

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Ville Voutilainen
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 16:52, coroberti . wrote: > > Dear Lars, > What about sources of LTS versions? Could they be still available? As far as I understand things, the KDE Free Qt Foundation agreement ensures that they will be available 12 months after their commercial release. The blog entry

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi, The criteria to qualify for the small business / startup is: - Revenue or funding less than 100.000 USD annually - Max 5 employees Yours, Tuukka On 27.1.2020, 16.58, "drwho" wrote: On 2020-01-27 9:34 a.m., Lars Knoll wrote: > The third change is that The Qt Company

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi Ekke, Currently Qt MQTT is not part of Qt for Device Creator or Application Development product, see: https://www.qt.io/features Huge amount of other libraries are included, but unfortunately MQTT is only available as part of the Qt for Automation. Yours, Tuukka On 27.1.2020,

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Jason H
I hope these changes mean that you'll be able to support mobile properly. I'm still waiting on a response from you about the future of Qt on mobile. > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:34 AM > From: "Lars Knoll" > To: "Qt development mailing list" > Subj

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread drwho
On 2020-01-27 9:34 a.m., Lars Knoll wrote: The third change is that The Qt Company will in the future also offer a lower priced product for small businesses. That small business product is btw not limited to mobile like the one Digia had some years ago, but covers all of Qt for Device

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Albert Astals Cid via Development
El dilluns, 27 de gener de 2020, a les 15:34:44 CET, Lars Knoll va escriure: > Hi all, > > The Qt Company has done some adjustments to the Qt will be offered in the > future. Please check out https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-offering-changes-2020 . > > The change consists of three parts > None of these

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread coroberti .
Dear Lars, What about sources of LTS versions? Could they be still available? Thanks. Kind regards, Robert Iakobashvili On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 4:35 PM Lars Knoll wrote: > > Hi all, > > The Qt Company has done some adjustments to the Qt will be offered in the >

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
I understand the reasoning for this change but it effectively ruins the spirit of open-source~ness of qt while technically leaving it intact. Technically On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 5:41 PM NIkolai Marchenko wrote: > I am afraid I do not have other words for this model than : absolutely >

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread ekke
Am 27.01.20 um 15:34 schrieb Lars Knoll: ... The third change is that The Qt Company will in the future also offer a lower priced product for small businesses. That small business product is btw not limited to mobile like the one Digia had some years ago, but covers all of Qt for Device

Re: [Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
I am afraid I do not have other words for this model than : absolutely disgusting and a complete dick move. Especially login requirement for binaries. I don't even understand how distros are now supposed to keep qt code safe since constantly pushing qt version up is recipe for problems and there

[Development] Changes to Qt offering

2020-01-27 Thread Lars Knoll
Hi all, The Qt Company has done some adjustments to the Qt will be offered in the future. Please check out https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-offering-changes-2020 . The change consists of three parts. One is a change in policy regarding the LTS releases, where the LTS part of a release is in the

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