Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-17 Thread Edward Welbourne
Kevin Kofler (16 June 2020 12:08) >>> What "shiny new features"? All that a real-world application such as >>> KWrite really needs from the operating system has been there at >>> least since the 1990s, possibly since the 1970s. Edward Welbourne wrote: >> and I guess it's been in Qt for several rel

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-16 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 11:15:10 PDT Ville Voutilainen wrote: > You'll get 5.15.x releases with a one-year delay from the commercial > ones. That's useless, because it means there's a one-year period in the middle with no updates. For all intents and purposes, the LTS is dead for the free softw

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-16 Thread Richard Weickelt
> Oddly enough, continued support for the Free Software ecosystem around > Qt is one of the things most of us who work here care about deeply, so I have no doubts that Qt engineers do. I can see this in in every code reciew and I appreciate it very much! > Our management, in any case, knows full

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-16 Thread Oliver Wolff
Hi Kevin, On 16.06.2020 19:25, Kevin Kofler wrote: Edward Welbourne wrote: Kevin Kofler (16 June 2020 12:08) What "shiny new features"? All that a real-world application such as KWrite really needs from the operating system has been there at least since the 1990s, possibly since the 1970s. a

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-16 Thread Ville Voutilainen
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 21:04, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > >> Because all KDE applications will have to get ported to Qt 6 soon. > > Why? > ...because if they aren't, they won't get security fixes. (Because Qt 5 > is no longer maintained. Note that "LTS" isn't maintenance for Free > Software, because

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-16 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 16/06/2020 13.37, Ville Voutilainen wrote: On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 20:27, Kevin Kofler wrote: Edward Welbourne wrote: Kevin Kofler (16 June 2020 12:08) What "shiny new features"? All that a real-world application such as KWrite really needs from the operating system has been there at least

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-16 Thread Ville Voutilainen
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 20:27, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Edward Welbourne wrote: > > Kevin Kofler (16 June 2020 12:08) > >> What "shiny new features"? All that a real-world application such as > >> KWrite really needs from the operating system has been there at least > >> since the 1990s, possibly si

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Edward Welbourne wrote: > Kevin Kofler (16 June 2020 12:08) >> What "shiny new features"? All that a real-world application such as >> KWrite really needs from the operating system has been there at least >> since the 1990s, possibly since the 1970s. > > and I guess it's been in Qt for several rel

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-16 Thread Edward Welbourne
Edward Welbourne wrote: >> So my bad, I said our product would only work on an ancient O/S or >> two, when it could indeed to made to work on a whole bunch of more >> modern systems *on which it would be irrelevant* - and thus not worth >> the significant effort of porting to, because anyone develo

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Edward Welbourne wrote: > So my bad, I said our product would only work on an ancient O/S or two, > when it could indeed to made to work on a whole bunch of more modern > systems *on which it would be irrelevant* - and thus not worth the > significant effort of porting to, because anyone developing

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-16 Thread Edward Welbourne
Edward Welbourne wrote: >> If we *never* allow ourselves breaking changes, we'd still have a >> nice stable product that worked great on an O/S or two from the last >> century. Qt would thus be irrelevant. Kevin Kofler (16 June 2020 01:36) > Nonsense. We would have a nice stable product that just

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-16 Thread Volker Hilsheimer
> On 16 Jun 2020, at 02:45, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Volker Hilsheimer wrote: >> Sounds like y’all have a wonderful new business opportunity ahead of >> yourselves: charge your new-leaf-app-on-old-OS customers handsomely for >> the extra effort. After all, you do have to keep your Windows 7 test

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Volker Hilsheimer wrote: > Sounds like y’all have a wonderful new business opportunity ahead of > yourselves: charge your new-leaf-app-on-old-OS customers handsomely for > the extra effort. After all, you do have to keep your Windows 7 test rigs > around (and secured); perhaps even pay some extra r

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-15 Thread Volker Hilsheimer
behalf of Kevin Kofler Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:36:54 AM To: development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6 Edward Welbourne wrote: > How many of those Win 7 users are routinely upgrading the software on > their systems ? Given that t

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Edward Welbourne wrote: > How many of those Win 7 users are routinely upgrading the software on > their systems ? Given that they're not updating the O/S, it seems > reasonable to presume that they are, at least, somewhat conservative > about upgrades; they don't want the shiny new features the fo

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-15 Thread Corey Pendleton
ge- From: Development On Behalf Of Edward Welbourne Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 5:35 AM To: Max Paperno Cc: development@qt-project.org; inter...@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6 Max Paperno (13 June 2020 03:28) wrote: > I would restate

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-15 Thread Edward Welbourne
Max Paperno (13 June 2020 03:28) wrote: > I would restate my objection by pointing out again [1] that Win 7 is > still the 2nd most popular desktop OS in the world, with 3x more users > than all MacOS versions combined. Never mind Linux, which is on par > with Win XP users (the previous "known goo

Re: [Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-12 Thread Max Paperno
I would restate my objection by pointing out again [1] that Win 7 is still the 2nd most popular desktop OS in the world, with 3x more users than all MacOS versions combined. Never mind Linux, which is on par with Win XP users (the previous "known good" Windows version prior to 7). Any softwar

[Development] Windows 7 support will be dropped in Qt 6

2020-06-11 Thread Oliver Wolff
Hi, with Qt 6 approaching it is time to have a look at our set of supported platforms. One candidate for removal of support was Windows 7. Some considerations about dropping this support have been communicated on Qt's development mailing list in March last year [1] and there were some discus