Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-12-17 Thread Eike Ziller
Qt Creator 4.11 comes with an optional [[https://github.com/litehtml/litehtml][litehtml]] based help rendering backend. To change the used backend, go to Options > Help > General, and choose "litehtml" as the "Viewer backend". All new help viewers will use the changed backend, so e.g. after Qt

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-07-08 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 25/06/2019 17.53, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: > Option 2: put some elbow grease into QTextBrowser and make it understand > some more tags and more CSS. > Pros: documentation becomes visually more pleasing; minimal dependencies > by assistant - easy to build and easy to bundle with applications; > em

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-07-05 Thread Edward Welbourne
Catching up with mail discussions that have happened while I've been away, so sorry if I've missed some relevant part that covers this already ... On 25. Jun 2019, at 23:53, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: >> Option 6: use plain platform browser to show local files >> Pros: minimal footprint; assistant c

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-29 Thread Martin Koller
On Montag, 24. Juni 2019 11:32:15 CEST Konstantin Tokarev wrote: > > Well, what I’d really like would be a lightweight RichText / HTML+CSS > > viewer without all the baggage of a complete internet browser. QTextBrowser > > does too little, QtWebEngine much too much. > > So, QtWebKit should be t

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-29 Thread Kai Pastor, DG0YT
On 27/06/2019 21:02, Thiago Macieira wrote: On Thursday, 27 June 2019 01:07:45 PDT Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: Please also keep in mind that a fair number of developers use the same tool-chain (qdoc, assistant, QtHelp) to generate their own documentation - this means that assistant gets redistribu

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-28 Thread Jaroslaw Kobus
From: Development on behalf of Palaraja, Kavindra Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 10:56 AM To: Qt development mailing list Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support On 28.06.19, 10:24, "Eike Ziller" wrote: > On 27. Ju

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-28 Thread Eike Ziller
> On Jun 28, 2019, at 14:46, Palaraja, Kavindra wrote: > > On 28.06.19, 12:22, "Eike Ziller" wrote: > > > >> From your response, I'm only gathering two options: > >There are other options. >https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2019-June/036712.html >summarizes

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-28 Thread Palaraja, Kavindra
On 28.06.19, 12:22, "Eike Ziller" wrote: > From your response, I'm only gathering two options: There are other options. https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2019-June/036712.html summarizes many of them. Additionally “strip down QtWebEngine or QtWebKit and

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-28 Thread Eike Ziller
> On Jun 28, 2019, at 10:56, Palaraja, Kavindra wrote: > > On 28.06.19, 10:24, "Eike Ziller" wrote: > >> On 27. Jun 2019, at 15:46, Palaraja, Kavindra wrote: >> >> On 27.06.19, 10:47, "Development on behalf of Jaroslaw Kobus" >> wrote: >> >> QTextBrowser promises to render rich text - is

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-28 Thread Bastiaan Veelo
On 27/06/2019 21:02, Thiago Macieira wrote: On Thursday, 27 June 2019 01:07:45 PDT Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: Please also keep in mind that a fair number of developers use the same tool-chain (qdoc, assistant, QtHelp) to generate their own documentation - this means that assistant gets redistribute

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-28 Thread Ulf Hermann
I will just chime in here to repeat one important point: Chromium receives fixes for security problems every few weeks, at least. We typically release new versions of Qt Creator much less frequently. We cannot expose an unsafe web browser to our users, at least not without risking some major f

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-28 Thread Olivier Goffart
On 27.06.19 20:14, Thiago Macieira wrote: On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:47:32 PDT Lars Knoll wrote: Yes, Webengine uses some memory. But is that really a problem on developer machines? [...] I'm not saying that Qt Web Engine would be a problem. I was arguing against "memory is not a problem on

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-28 Thread Palaraja, Kavindra
On 28.06.19, 10:24, "Eike Ziller" wrote: > On 27. Jun 2019, at 15:46, Palaraja, Kavindra wrote: > > On 27.06.19, 10:47, "Development on behalf of Jaroslaw Kobus" wrote: > > QTextBrowser promises to render rich text - isn’t it what we want for showing help? If QTextBrowser

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-28 Thread Eike Ziller
> On Jun 28, 2019, at 10:24, Eike Ziller wrote: > > > >> On 27. Jun 2019, at 15:46, Palaraja, Kavindra wrote: >> >> On 27.06.19, 10:47, "Development on behalf of Jaroslaw Kobus" >> wrote: >> >> QTextBrowser promises to render rich text - isn’t it what we want for >> showing help? If QTe

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-28 Thread Eike Ziller
> On 27. Jun 2019, at 15:46, Palaraja, Kavindra wrote: > > On 27.06.19, 10:47, "Development on behalf of Jaroslaw Kobus" > wrote: > > QTextBrowser promises to render rich text - isn’t it what we want for showing > help? If QTextBrowser isn’t able to render properly the static help files -

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-28 Thread Martin Smith
development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support > On 28 Jun 2019, at 07:59, Martin Smith wrote: > >> That's what I'm trying to explain. I can't use what Creator gives me right >> now >> as it doesn't match what

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Samuel Gaist
___ > From: Development on behalf of Palaraja, > Kavindra > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 7:40 AM > To: development@qt-project.org > Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support > > On 27.06.19, 20:59, "Development on

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Martin Smith
documentation site to get what it needs? From: Development on behalf of Palaraja, Kavindra Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 7:40 AM To: development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support On 27.06.19, 20:59, "Development on behalf of André Pönitz" wrote

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Palaraja, Kavindra
On 27.06.19, 20:59, "Development on behalf of André Pönitz" wrote: > People propose adding functionality to QTextBrowser instead. I do not > thing that’s a viable solution (we’ve tried that in the past and our > technical writers hit the next issue some weeks/months later). The

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Eike Ziller
> On Jun 27, 2019, at 16:55, Simon Hausmann wrote: > > > Am 26.06.19 um 14:44 schrieb Kirill Burtsev: >> Hi, >> >> sorry, but that is not a right way to assess thing like memory consumption. >> >> Windows shows in a task manager just private memory (can not be used >> by other processes) usa

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
27.06.2019, 22:15, "André Pönitz" : > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:57:08AM +0200, Richard Weickelt wrote: >>  Is it well known, how many QtCreator users are even using the integrated >>  help functionality? How many Qt users are using QtAssistant and how many >>  prefer the online documentation? >

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread André Pönitz
On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:57:08AM +0200, Richard Weickelt wrote: > Is it well known, how many QtCreator users are even using the integrated > help functionality? How many Qt users are using QtAssistant and how many > prefer the online documentation? The exact numbers are not known (to me), but th

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Thursday, 27 June 2019 01:07:45 PDT Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: > Just to make sure I just installed Qt 5.13 for MinGW 7.3 on my Windows > VM - WebEngine is nowhere to be seen. (Sorry, I don't have enough > capacity to check whether I might be able to compile it myself using clang.) You don't need

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread André Pönitz
On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 01:47:32AM +, Lars Knoll wrote: > Yes, Webengine uses some memory. But is that really a problem on > developer machines? On three out of four machines that I use with Qt Creator regularly have limitations that make the presence of WebEngine undesirable. These three mig

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Konrad Rosenbaum
Hi, On 6/27/19 3:47 AM, Lars Knoll wrote: > > Yes, Webengine uses some memory. But is that really a problem on developer > machines? It is a problem, but IMHO not the main problem. The main problem is that WebEngine is not available on all platforms that are supported (as a development host) by

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Thursday, 27 June 2019 07:39:29 PDT Lars Knoll wrote: > > On 27 Jun 2019, at 08:25, Thiago Macieira > > wrote: > > On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:47:32 PDT Lars Knoll wrote: > >> Yes, Webengine uses some memory. But is that really a problem on > >> developer > >> machines? > > > > > > Yes. I h

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Simon Hausmann
Am 26.06.19 um 14:44 schrieb Kirill Burtsev: > Hi, > > sorry, but that is not a right way to assess thing like memory consumption. > > Windows shows in a task manager just private memory (can not be used > by other processes) usage for process. And that is really takes 15-20 Mb > but just for sepa

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Lars Knoll
> On 27 Jun 2019, at 08:25, Thiago Macieira wrote: > > On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:47:32 PDT Lars Knoll wrote: >> Yes, Webengine uses some memory. But is that really a problem on developer >> machines? > > Yes. I have 16 GB of RAM and 16 GB of swap. Sometimes Linux fails to suspend > to disk

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Lars Knoll
> On 27 Jun 2019, at 16:03, Alberto Mardegan > wrote: > > On 27/06/19 14:14, Bastiaan Veelo wrote: >> >> However, it seems that most web browsers that implemented their own >> browser tech have ditched those in favour of a third party framework >> (see Opera, Edge, e.g.) -- how much of the reas

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Lars Knoll
> On 27 Jun 2019, at 11:25, Bastiaan Veelo wrote: > > On 27/06/2019 06:57, Richard Weickelt wrote: >>> Qt used to make a point on having superior documentation to most other >>> frameworks, and it was (and still is) one of the reasons for its success. >>> Whatever we can do to help make the doc

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Alberto Mardegan
On 27/06/19 14:14, Bastiaan Veelo wrote: > > However, it seems that most web browsers that implemented their own > browser tech have ditched those in favour of a third party framework > (see Opera, Edge, e.g.) -- how much of the reason for that is due to > rendering or networking I don't know. I

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Palaraja, Kavindra
On 27.06.19, 10:47, "Development on behalf of Jaroslaw Kobus" wrote: QTextBrowser promises to render rich text - isn’t it what we want for showing help? If QTextBrowser isn’t able to render properly the static help files - what is the other typical usage of it? Why we claim that QTextBrowser i

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Bastiaan Veelo
A very good post, thank you Jarek. Ideally, Qt would have a dedicated HTML renderer that works on all platforms, without unnecessary overhead and security issues. Possibly as a new widget (QHtmlBrowser) to keep QTextBrowser strictly rich text, possibly removing features from QTextBrowser to ma

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Sérgio Martins
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 3:12 PM Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote: > Are you referring to the 1px table wrapping the list of members, etc.? > > Saying that we want to move to a full blown browser for that makes me > think that this is a case of Qt not eating its own dogfood. Is it > impossib

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Bastiaan Veelo
On 27/06/2019 06:57, Richard Weickelt wrote: Qt used to make a point on having superior documentation to most other frameworks, and it was (and still is) one of the reasons for its success. Whatever we can do to help make the documentation better is something I think we should do. [...] I stopp

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Christian Kandeler
On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:47:07 +0300 Alberto Mardegan wrote: > On 27/06/19 04:47, Lars Knoll wrote: > > > > Yes, Webengine uses some memory. But is that really a problem on developer > > machines? > > Yes. The more RAM you use for surfing documentation, the less RAM you > have for building. I ha

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Jaroslaw Kobus
QTextBrowser promises to render rich text - isn’t it what we want for showing help? If QTextBrowser isn’t able to render properly the static help files - what is the other typical usage of it? Why we claim that QTextBrowser is able to do things, which in fact it can't? This doesn't show a fair m

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Nikolai Kosjar
reasons for its success. > Whatever we can do to help make the documentation better is something I think > we should do. > > Cheers, > Lars > >> >> Br, Eike >> >>> That number came from the task manager in Windows. >>> >>> Simon >&g

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 18:47:32 PDT Lars Knoll wrote: > Yes, Webengine uses some memory. But is that really a problem on developer > machines? Yes. I have 16 GB of RAM and 16 GB of swap. Sometimes Linux fails to suspend to disk unless I quit either Creator, Firefox or Chromium. Free memory i

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Alberto Mardegan
On 27/06/19 04:47, Lars Knoll wrote: > > Yes, Webengine uses some memory. But is that really a problem on developer > machines? Yes. The more RAM you use for surfing documentation, the less RAM you have for building. I have 16 GB of RAM, and sometimes I have to close Chromium away (yes, I know,

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Richard Weickelt
> Qt used to make a point on having superior documentation to most other > frameworks, and it was (and still is) one of the reasons for its success. > Whatever we can do to help make the documentation better is something I > think we should do. Is it well known, how many QtCreator users are even

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Lars Knoll
should do. Cheers, Lars > > Br, Eike > >> That number came from the task manager in Windows. >> >> Simon >> From: Development on behalf of Michal >> Klocek >> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 13:31 >> To: development@qt-project.org >

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread André Pönitz
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 08:58:07PM +, Tor Arne Vestbø wrote: > > > > On 25 Jun 2019, at 22:53, André Pönitz wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 07:59:16PM +, Tor Arne Vestbø wrote: > >>> On 25 Jun 2019, at 21:30, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: > >>> > >>> Pardon my lingo, > >> > >> You s

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Eike Ziller
M usage increase then. Br, Eike > That number came from the task manager in Windows. > > Simon > From: Development on behalf of Michal > Klocek > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 13:31 > To: development@qt-project.org > Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Riitta-Leena Miettinen
Yes, we never felt the styles should be exactly same, but the most suitable for each purpose. Leena Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 11:39:18 + From: Christian Kandeler To: "development@qt-project.org" Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Kirill Burtsev
27;Detailed Memory Information' for every process. Regard From: Development on behalf of Simon Hausmann Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 13:47 To: Michal Klocek; development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine suppo

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Simon Hausmann
ndows. Simon From: Development on behalf of Michal Klocek Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 13:31 To: development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support Could you explain how did you measure web engine memory consumption to get 14-20MB o

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Christian Kandeler
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 11:24:30 + Riitta-Leena Miettinen wrote: > 3. Should the same style be used online and offline? > > For 3), we always answered „yes“, because we felt that the use cases for > reading documentation on the web or using it within Qt Creator next to the > Code editor were

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Michal Klocek
Could you explain how did you measure web engine memory consumption to get 14-20MB of ram ? On 6/26/19 1:12 PM, Simon Hausmann wrote: > > Am 25.06.19 um 23:53 schrieb Konrad Rosenbaum: >> Option 4: convert to WebEngine >> Pros: looks great; currently supported browser engine, only little >> port

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Riitta-Leena Miettinen
araja, Kavindra" To: "development@qt-project.org" Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support Message-ID: <557ee263-e641-464f-b3b2-ac212c749...@luxoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Wow, I had no idea in my 12 years of being a Technical

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Simon Hausmann
Am 25.06.19 um 23:53 schrieb Konrad Rosenbaum: > Option 4: convert to WebEngine > Pros: looks great; currently supported browser engine, only little > porting work > Cons: horrible memory footprint; acute terminal featuritis; adds lots of > dependencies (disqualifies it for most/many people redist

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
26.06.2019, 02:57, "Bastiaan Veelo" : > On 26/06/2019 00:15, Jean-Michaël Celerier wrote: >> There's also Zeal which is a nice Qt-based documentation browser which >> covers much more than the current .qch offering: https://zealdocs.org/ & >> https://github.com/zealdocs/zeal >> >> I see it used

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Nikolai Kosjar
On 6/26/19 10:09 AM, Eike Ziller wrote: >> On 25. Jun 2019, at 23:53, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On 6/25/19 9:59 PM, Tor Arne Vestbø wrote: >>> On 25 Jun 2019, at 21:30, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: Pardon my lingo, >>> You should be able to communicate your points without that kind

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
26.06.2019, 11:13, "Eike Ziller" : > I agree with Thiago that this also requires WebKit to be updated with > security fixes. It will potentially show downloaded content from anywhere, > and it’s not nice if someone can offer a malicious qch, using known security > issues in WebKit. And with Ja

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Jaroslaw Kobus
I think the option 2 (enhancements in QTextBrowser) is the best one, since the time investment spent on it will benefit for all users of QTextBrowser, not only those using Qt help system. So big +1 here! However, if we go with the webengine (or webkit) way, I would be very happy that the existi

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Palaraja, Kavindra
Hey Andre, ... .. I find it somewhat strange that a party that ships a custom Creator built anyway pushes so hard on a solution that is harmful for some instead of simply building their help plugin in their favourite configuration. Andre' Ah, yet another social stab instead

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-26 Thread Eike Ziller
> On 25. Jun 2019, at 23:53, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: > > Hi, > > On 6/25/19 9:59 PM, Tor Arne Vestbø wrote: >> On 25 Jun 2019, at 21:30, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: >>> Pardon my lingo, >> You should be able to communicate your points without that kind of lingo. >> Try better. >> >>> It is docu

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 18:08:28 PDT Thiago Macieira wrote: > > Are you worried about the lack of security patches? I can see how that > > matters for an ordinary browser implemented with Qt, but for Assistant > > and Creator that exclusively display locally installed generated > > compressed help

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:07:20 PDT Bastiaan Veelo wrote: > > at this point, what's speaking againt qtwebkit is its track record of > > release. Until it starts making regular releases again, I can't recommend > > it. And Qt Creator (or any other application) shouldn't begin using it > > again un

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Bastiaan Veelo
On 25/06/2019 18:16, Thiago Macieira wrote: On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 09:05:21 PDT Konstantin Tokarev wrote: It hasn't been updated in years. Don't use it, since it's clearly not getting security updates. New version is currently in development, and should be ready in time frame of Qt 5.14 (at l

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Bastiaan Veelo
On 26/06/2019 00:15, Jean-Michaël Celerier wrote: There's also Zeal which is a nice Qt-based documentation browser which covers much more than the current .qch offering: https://zealdocs.org/ & https://github.com/zealdocs/zeal I see it used more and more. Best, Jean-Michaël That's QWebView b

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier
> Feel free to correct/critique my assessment and to add more options if you see any. Otherwise: chose your poison. There's also Zeal which is a nice Qt-based documentation browser which covers much more than the current .qch offering: https://zealdocs.org/ & https://github.com/zealdocs/zeal I se

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Konrad Rosenbaum
Hi, On 6/25/19 9:59 PM, Tor Arne Vestbø wrote: > On 25 Jun 2019, at 21:30, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: >> Pardon my lingo, > You should be able to communicate your points without that kind of lingo. Try > better. > >> It is documentation for developers for crying out loud! Its purpose is not >> to

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 25/06/19 16:30, Palaraja, Kavindra ha scritto: The idea is to have parity in the sense of 1:1 appearance of how the documentation looks like. Here's a ticket that hasn't gone very far: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTCREATORBUG-15887 Can we keep the personal attacks out of this and perha

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Bastiaan Veelo
On 25/06/2019 21:30, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: It is documentation for developers for crying out loud! No it is not. Assistant is distributed as a help viewer, to be distributed along with applications for use by the customers of your customers. As soon as QTextBrowser in its current sorry st

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Tor Arne Vestbø
> On 25 Jun 2019, at 22:53, André Pönitz wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 07:59:16PM +, Tor Arne Vestbø wrote: >>> On 25 Jun 2019, at 21:30, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: >>> >>> Pardon my lingo, >> >> You should be able to communicate your points without that kind of lingo. Try >> better. >

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread André Pönitz
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 07:59:16PM +, Tor Arne Vestbø wrote: > > On 25 Jun 2019, at 21:30, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: > > > > Pardon my lingo, > > You should be able to communicate your points without that kind of lingo. Try > better. > > > It is documentation for developers for crying out lou

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Tor Arne Vestbø
> On 25 Jun 2019, at 21:30, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: > > Pardon my lingo, You should be able to communicate your points without that kind of lingo. Try better. > It is documentation for developers for crying out loud! Its purpose is not to > win any design prices, but to educate the develope

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Bastiaan Veelo
On 21/06/2019 11:08, Bastiaan Veelo wrote: [...] The best solution would therefore be, in my opinion, to change the order of compilation, apply the existing patch, and consider refactorings and unifications thereafter. I went ahead and did this. https://github.com/veelo/qttools is a fork of q

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
25.06.2019, 22:32, "Bastiaan Veelo" : > On 21/05/2019 14:50, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: >>  21.05.2019, 15:47, "Bastiaan Veelo" : >>>  On 20/05/2019 19:02, Konstantin Tokarev wrote:    [...] Current version of QtWebKit from 5.212 works on Windows,    there are binaries at    ht

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Konrad Rosenbaum
Hi, ...my 2 cents or so... On 6/25/19 4:30 PM, Palaraja, Kavindra wrote: > No, parity isn't Google's search box. There's already a search feature in > Creator. > > No, not "The Qt Company is hiring" either. > > The idea is to have parity in the sense of 1:1 appearance of how the > documentation

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Bastiaan Veelo
On 21/05/2019 14:50, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 21.05.2019, 15:47, "Bastiaan Veelo" : On 20/05/2019 19:02, Konstantin Tokarev wrote:  [...] Current version of QtWebKit from 5.212 works on Windows,  there are binaries at  http://download.qt.io/snapshots/ci/qtwebkit/5.212/latest/qtwebkit/ Ext

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread André Pönitz
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:52:29AM +0300, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: > > It worked up to a certain degree nicely in the build system by > > de-selecting options, than quite a bit more by actually removing code. > > Getting rid of all of JS was not obviously possible. > > Removing code makes result

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 09:05:21 PDT Konstantin Tokarev wrote: > > It hasn't been updated in years. Don't use it, since it's clearly not > > getting security updates. > > New version is currently in development, and should be ready in time frame > of Qt 5.14 (at least functionality required for d

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
25.06.2019, 19:01, "Thiago Macieira" : > On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 06:43:06 PDT Eike Ziller wrote: >>  What is the state of QtWebKit(2) > > It hasn't been updated in years. Don't use it, since it's clearly not getting > security updates. New version is currently in development, and should be read

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 06:43:06 PDT Eike Ziller wrote: > What is the state of QtWebKit(2) It hasn't been updated in years. Don't use it, since it's clearly not getting security updates. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel System Software Products

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Palaraja, Kavindra
No, parity isn't Google's search box. There's already a search feature in Creator. No, not "The Qt Company is hiring" either. The idea is to have parity in the sense of 1:1 appearance of how the documentation looks like. Here's a ticket that hasn't gone very far: https://bugreports.qt.io/brow

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Nils Jeisecke via Development
Am 25.06.2019 um 16:11 hat Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development geschrieben: Saying that we want to move to a full blown browser for that makes me think that this is a case of Qt not eating its own dogfood. Is it impossible to fix QTextDocument to support them properly? https://codereview.qt-proje

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Hi, Il 25/06/19 14:28, Palaraja, Kavindra ha scritto: Hi Kirill, I can’t speak for the size of WebEngine or the complexity of this solution, but I can speak for the look & feel of the documentation. The current situation with Qt Creator’s documentation is not about how wonderful the conten

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Eike Ziller
> On Jun 24, 2019, at 22:44, Lars Knoll wrote: > > >> On 24 Jun 2019, at 21:54, Tor Arne Vestbø wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 24 Jun 2019, at 14:43, Simon Hausmann wrote: >>> >>> I have two more numbers to add: Compressed (7z) the download size would >>> be around ~44 MB. I measured on Windows

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Eike Ziller
> On Jun 25, 2019, at 10:26, Simon Hausmann wrote: > > > Am 25.06.19 um 10:10 schrieb Morten Sørvig: >> I’m not sure if it has been mentioned; we have another option which is to >> use the OS web browser component via the Qt WebView module. >> >> The benefits would be >> >> * up-to-date web

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Palaraja, Kavindra
… I don't think that a lot of developers really care about how wonderful help module looks like as long as it answers development related questions clearly and precisely. Nowadays help/doc search activities is much more than just open offline page with descriptions of classes and methods with e

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Kirill Burtsev
ge misdirection. From: Development on behalf of Simon Hausmann Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 14:43 To: development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support Am 24.06.19 um 12:31 schrieb Eike Ziller: >> * What exactly is so big about WebEngine? What i

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Simon Hausmann
Am 25.06.19 um 10:10 schrieb Morten Sørvig: > I’m not sure if it has been mentioned; we have another option which is to use > the OS web browser component via the Qt WebView module. > > The benefits would be > > * up-to-date web browser (and someone else keeps it up to date for us) > * insignific

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 25/06/19 10:12, Simon Hausmann ha scritto: I think you're right, the linkage appears to be due to the use of QQuickWidget as child widget of QWebEngineView. Do you think that's a problem? I don't really know :) I was asking about feedback regarding reintroducing a mandatory Qt Quick depen

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Simon Hausmann
development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support Hi, Il 25/06/19 09:26, Simon Hausmann ha scritto: > > QtQuick 2 is not required for using WebEngine and there is support for > software rendering. The existing Qt Creator integration as well as the > pro

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Morten Sørvig
> On 24 Jun 2019, at 22:44, Lars Knoll wrote: > > >> On 24 Jun 2019, at 21:54, Tor Arne Vestbø wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 24 Jun 2019, at 14:43, Simon Hausmann wrote: >>> >>> I have two more numbers to add: Compressed (7z) the download size would >>> be around ~44 MB. I measured on Windows w

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Hi, Il 25/06/19 09:26, Simon Hausmann ha scritto: QtQuick 2 is not required for using WebEngine and there is support for software rendering. The existing Qt Creator integration as well as the proposed patch to Qt Assistant to use Web Engine is using the widgets integration. To put it to a

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
25.06.2019, 10:48, "André Pönitz" : > On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 04:37:16PM +0300, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: >>  > I have two more numbers to add: Compressed (7z) the download size would >>  > be around ~44 MB. I measured on Windows with a Qt Creator built with >>  > WebEngine support and surfed a l

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Simon Hausmann
nd Chrome are all built using clang these days) Simon From: Development on behalf of Konrad Rosenbaum Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 7:50 To: development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support Hi, On 6/24/19 2:43 PM, Simo

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-25 Thread Simon Hausmann
Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 15:52 To: development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support Here's a third question: On 24/06/2019 11:42, Palaraja, Kavindra wrote: > Two further questions: > > * What exac

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-24 Thread Konrad Rosenbaum
Hi, On 6/24/19 2:43 PM, Simon Hausmann wrote: > We've had this situation for a long time now and I think that we should > finally move forward and give our users better quality at the expense of > their disk space, memory consumption and download size. ...at the risk of making enemies: so the pl

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-24 Thread Bastiaan Veelo
On 24/06/2019 22:44, Lars Knoll wrote: Another +1 from me. Let’s stop fighting this. We need something that can properly display any HTML content (and maybe PDF and things as well) that we throw at it. Thank you. Bastiaan. ___ Development mailing li

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-24 Thread André Pönitz
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 01:49:12PM +, Palaraja, Kavindra wrote: > +1, because: > > * It's 2019, we need to change with the times as documentation, especially > how content looks and feels, has come really far from those days. > * Almost 1:1 appearance of documentation in Creator vs. Browser.

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-24 Thread Lars Knoll
> On 24 Jun 2019, at 21:54, Tor Arne Vestbø wrote: > > > >> On 24 Jun 2019, at 14:43, Simon Hausmann wrote: >> >> I have two more numbers to add: Compressed (7z) the download size would >> be around ~44 MB. I measured on Windows with a Qt Creator built with >> WebEngine support and surfed

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-24 Thread André Pönitz
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 04:37:16PM +0300, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: > > I have two more numbers to add: Compressed (7z) the download size would > > be around ~44 MB. I measured on Windows with a Qt Creator built with > > WebEngine support and surfed a little through the docs. The memory > > consump

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-24 Thread Danila Malyutin
definitely many ways it can be improved, compared to the web version. пн, 24 июн. 2019 г. в 16:49, Cristian Adam : > > -Original Message- > > From: Development On Behalf Of > > Simon Hausmann > > Sent: Monday, 24 June 2019 14:44 > > To: development@qt-project

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-24 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Here's a third question: On 24/06/2019 11:42, Palaraja, Kavindra wrote: Two further questions: * What exactly is so big about WebEngine? What is this size that many are hinting at but won't provide the number? * Doesn't WebEngine have a feature where you can completely lock it out of the Inte

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-24 Thread Palaraja, Kavindra
+1, because: * It's 2019, we need to change with the times as documentation, especially how content looks and feels, has come really far from those days. * Almost 1:1 appearance of documentation in Creator vs. Browser. * Nobody needs to patch QTextBrowser and fix CSS now * We will get code snippe

Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support

2019-06-24 Thread Cristian Adam
> -Original Message- > From: Development On Behalf Of > Simon Hausmann > Sent: Monday, 24 June 2019 14:44 > To: development@qt-project.org > Subject: Re: [Development] Assistant WebKit/WebEngine support > > > > I don't quite share the opinion t

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