[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2012-08-02 Thread Evan Daniel
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Thursday 01 Sep 2011 15:29:35 Evan Daniel wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Matthew Toseland >> wrote: >> >> I like this proposal :) >> >> >> >> Is the documentation on the math of how to get the random routing to >> >> behave

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2012-08-02 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 01 Sep 2011 15:29:35 Evan Daniel wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Matthew Toseland > wrote: > >> I like this proposal :) > >> > >> Is the documentation on the math of how to get the random routing to > >> behave well sufficient? Let me know if it isn't. The MHMC routing math >

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2012-08-02 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 01 Sep 2011 15:29:35 Evan Daniel wrote: On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: I like this proposal :) Is the documentation on the math of how to get the random routing to behave well sufficient? Let me know if it isn't. The MHMC

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2012-08-02 Thread Evan Daniel
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Thursday 01 Sep 2011 15:29:35 Evan Daniel wrote: On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: I like this proposal :) Is the documentation on the math of how to get

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-10 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Hi, At Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:53:58 +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Freitag, 2. September 2011, 23:34:29 schrieb Matthew Toseland: > > > If the load balancer does not have some hidden delicacies, there is a > > > very simple check to see if my understanding is right. > > No, it takes into

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-10 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Hi, At Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:53:58 +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Freitag, 2. September 2011, 23:34:29 schrieb Matthew Toseland: If the load balancer does not have some hidden delicacies, there is a very simple check to see if my understanding is right. No, it takes into account

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-03 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Freitag, 2. September 2011, 23:34:29 schrieb Matthew Toseland: > > If the load balancer does not have some hidden delicacies, there is a > > very simple check to see if my understanding is right. > > > > Since SSKs are mostly unsuccessfull and are about 50% of the requests, > > the bandwidth

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-03 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 02 Sep 2011 18:20:02 Ian Clarke wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Matthew Toseland amphibian.dyndns.org > > wrote: > > > WE NEED MORE DATA. > > > > Well, my gut tells me that our existing scheme is likely too complicated to > fix unless we are extremely fortuitous, however I'm

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-03 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 02 Sep 2011 19:31:14 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Freitag, 2. September 2011, 12:20:02 schrieb Ian Clarke: > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Matthew Toseland > amphibian.dyndns.org > > > wrote: > > > > > > WE NEED MORE DATA. > > > > Well, my gut tells me that our existing

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-03 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 02 Sep 2011 18:20:02 Ian Clarke wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Matthew Toseland amphibian.dyndns.org > > wrote: > > > WE NEED MORE DATA. > > Well, my gut tells me that our existing scheme is likely too complicated to > fix unless we are extremely fortuitous, however I'm

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-02 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Freitag, 2. September 2011, 12:20:02 schrieb Ian Clarke: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Matthew Toseland amphibian.dyndns.org > > wrote: > > > > WE NEED MORE DATA. > > Well, my gut tells me that our existing scheme is likely too complicated to > fix unless we are extremely fortuitous,

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-02 Thread Ian Clarke
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > WE NEED MORE DATA. > Well, my gut tells me that our existing scheme is likely too complicated to fix unless we are extremely fortuitous, however I'm happy to be wrong about that if others think that they have a good understanding of why

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-02 Thread Ian Clarke
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: WE NEED MORE DATA. Well, my gut tells me that our existing scheme is likely too complicated to fix unless we are extremely fortuitous, however I'm happy to be wrong about that if others think that they have a

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-02 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Freitag, 2. September 2011, 12:20:02 schrieb Ian Clarke: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: WE NEED MORE DATA. Well, my gut tells me that our existing scheme is likely too complicated to fix unless we are extremely fortuitous, however

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-02 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 02 Sep 2011 18:20:02 Ian Clarke wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: WE NEED MORE DATA. Well, my gut tells me that our existing scheme is likely too complicated to fix unless we are extremely fortuitous, however I'm happy to

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-02 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 02 Sep 2011 19:31:14 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Freitag, 2. September 2011, 12:20:02 schrieb Ian Clarke: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: WE NEED MORE DATA. Well, my gut tells me that our existing scheme is likely

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-02 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 02 Sep 2011 18:20:02 Ian Clarke wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: WE NEED MORE DATA. Well, my gut tells me that our existing scheme is likely too complicated to fix unless we are extremely fortuitous, however I'm happy

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-02 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Freitag, 2. September 2011, 23:34:29 schrieb Matthew Toseland: If the load balancer does not have some hidden delicacies, there is a very simple check to see if my understanding is right. Since SSKs are mostly unsuccessfull and are about 50% of the requests, the bandwidth limiter

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-01 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 31 Aug 2011 15:05:51 Evan Daniel wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Matthew Toseland > wrote: > > On Monday 29 Aug 2011 19:28:50 Ian Clarke wrote: > >> Ok, thinking about it, here is a proposal, or rather, the beginning of a > >> proposal. I'm assuming that we get rid of

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-01 Thread Evan Daniel
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: >> I like this proposal :) >> >> Is the documentation on the math of how to get the random routing to >> behave well sufficient? Let me know if it isn't. The MHMC routing math >> shouldn't be too complicated, but we want to be certain it's

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-01 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 31 Aug 2011 15:05:51 Evan Daniel wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Monday 29 Aug 2011 19:28:50 Ian Clarke wrote: Ok, thinking about it, here is a proposal, or rather, the beginning of a proposal. I'm assuming that we

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-09-01 Thread Evan Daniel
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: I like this proposal :) Is the documentation on the math of how to get the random routing to behave well sufficient? Let me know if it isn't. The MHMC routing math shouldn't be too complicated, but we want to be

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-08-31 Thread Evan Daniel
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Monday 29 Aug 2011 19:28:50 Ian Clarke wrote: >> Ok, thinking about it, here is a proposal, or ?rather, the beginning of a >> proposal. ?I'm assuming that we get rid of NLM, fair sharing, and anything >> else intended to control load,

[freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-08-31 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 29 Aug 2011 19:28:50 Ian Clarke wrote: Ok, thinking about it, here is a proposal, or rather, the beginning of a proposal. I'm assuming that we get rid of NLM, fair sharing, and anything else intended to control load, and replace it with this. We will absolutely need to simulate

Re: [freenet-dev] How to gather more data was Re: Beyond New Load Management: A proposal

2011-08-31 Thread Evan Daniel
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Monday 29 Aug 2011 19:28:50 Ian Clarke wrote: Ok, thinking about it, here is a proposal, or  rather, the beginning of a proposal.  I'm assuming that we get rid of NLM, fair sharing, and anything else intended