Re: [Dhis2-users] Clarification on Organisation unit, groups and group sets
Thanks Knut for Clarification. So it Duplicates Data if facility A appears in group B and C and then all Group B and C becomes a member of one Dimension like D. Thanks for clarification Muhire Andrew Ministry of Health / HMIS A mind is a terrible thing to waste *** ** Cell:(+25)0788436150** *** Twitter :andrewmuhire*** skype:muhire_andrew muhireand...@yahoo.com On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:50 AM, Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com wrote: Just to be perfectly clear: The way you are assigning the SAME organisationunit as both Hospital or Health Center on the one hand and at the same time as Public or Private on the other hand is EXACTLY the way it is intendended. The system has been designed to help you do analysis along several dimensions, and the Pivot Tables are especially well suited for slicing your data and indicators along multiple dimensions depending on what you are interested in. On Thursday, December 5, 2013, Knut Staring wrote: Sorry, I meant 'no duplication'. This is for output and analysis, and does not affect the underlying data. 5. des. 2013 08:33 skrev Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com følgende: Hi Andrew, there piano duplication. It is best to think of each groupset as a dimension, and the groups are available classes within each dimension. Each dimension is independent, just like I can be both Norewegian and working on information systems. 5. des. 2013 08:23 skrev Muhire Andrew muhireand...@yahoo.com følgende: Hi all, For me the documentation is not very open or clear on Organisation unit ,Orgunit Groups, Orgunit Group sets : if i have like Health centres eg HC1,HC2,HC3,HC4,HC5 and District Hospitals : DH1,DH2,DH3,DH4,DH5 Org unit groups calledHealth centres,faith based, public,Private,Hospital,referral Org unit group set - Type : (Health centres, Hospital, referals) -Ownership: ( Faith based, Public, Private) As you can see, All Hc can be a member of a group Health centres and again Owned by/ a member of either faith based or public. So it can appear in two different groups but in different group sets. Can this affect anything? may be duplicating data? Does it duplicate only if the two like Health center group and may be faith based becomes a member of one group set? When does it duplicate data? Any clarification on this? Regards Muhire Andrew Ministry of Health / HMIS A mind is a terrible thing to waste *** ** Cell:(+25)0788436150** *** Twitter :andrewmuhire*** skype:muhire_andrew muhireand...@yahoo.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : -- Knut Staring Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo +4791880522 http://dhis2.org___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Dhis2-users] Clarification on Organisation unit, groups and group sets
Hi Andrew, Just saw your response when I sent the other mail. Lars correct me if I am wrong. There is never any duplication of data. If a facility belongs to both the Private as well as Public organisation unit groups, which in turn belong to a single group set called Ownership, what you get will not always be very clear. This is is because in the _orgunitgroupsetstructure table, there is a single entry per group set. Which one the system chooses, is not always clear, and may lead to unexpected results. This is the purpose of the data integrity check, to be sure that a single orgunit does not belong to two groups, who are members of a group set. Best regards, Jason On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Jason Pickering jason.p.picker...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't find this perfectly clear at all Knut. :) Perhaps it is just the wording of your mail, but let me try and repeat. An orgunit should not belong to two organisation unit groups who are members themselves of the same organisation unit group set. A facility should not both a member of the Hospital as well as a Health facility orgunit group which are members of an orgunit group set called Type, at least in the DHIS2 view of things, and will result in a data integrity violation. Similarly, it should not be both Private and Public. Membership in organisation unit groups which are part of a group set, should be exclusive. If the organisationunit group is not a member of a group set, then memership in multiple groups is possible. Of course, there are exceptions, like being both Norwegian and Swedish. But DHIS2 will only consider membership in one of these, and it is not always clear which one you may get. So, be sure you do not have any data integrity violations for the orgunit groups. Best regards, Jason On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com wrote: Just to be perfectly clear: The way you are assigning the SAME organisationunit as both Hospital or Health Center on the one hand and at the same time as Public or Private on the other hand is EXACTLY the way it is intendended. The system has been designed to help you do analysis along several dimensions, and the Pivot Tables are especially well suited for slicing your data and indicators along multiple dimensions depending on what you are interested in. On Thursday, December 5, 2013, Knut Staring wrote: Sorry, I meant 'no duplication'. This is for output and analysis, and does not affect the underlying data. 5. des. 2013 08:33 skrev Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com følgende: Hi Andrew, there piano duplication. It is best to think of each groupset as a dimension, and the groups are available classes within each dimension. Each dimension is independent, just like I can be both Norewegian and working on information systems. 5. des. 2013 08:23 skrev Muhire Andrew muhireand...@yahoo.com følgende: Hi all, For me the documentation is not very open or clear on Organisation unit ,Orgunit Groups, Orgunit Group sets : if i have like Health centres eg HC1,HC2,HC3,HC4,HC5 and District Hospitals : DH1,DH2,DH3,DH4,DH5 Org unit groups called Health centres, faith based, public,Private, Hospital,referral Org unit group set - Type : (Health centres, Hospital, referals) -Ownership: ( Faith based, Public, Private) As you can see, All Hc can be a member of a group Health centres and again Owned by/ a member of either faith based or public. So it can appear in two different groups but in different group sets. Can this affect anything? may be duplicating data? Does it duplicate only if the two like Health center group and may be faith based becomes a member of one group set? When does it duplicate data? Any clarification on this? Regards -- * Muhire Andrew * * Ministry of Health / HMIS* *A mind is a terrible thing to waste* *** ** Cell:(+25)0788436150** *** Twitter :andrewmuhire*** skype:muhire_andrew *muhireand...@yahoo.com* ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : -- Knut Staring Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo +4791880522 http://dhis2.org ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Dhis2-users] Clarification on Organisation unit, groups and group sets
Hi Jason, Thanks for your quick reactions You are right, we always have to run integrity checks to be sure. And we do this always but from both of comments, the logic of Orgunit group vs group set is becoming clearer. So in reality in HIS one facility can be a member of more than one group, So it becomes a problem if the two groups where the facility belongs appear in one group set. If not it means no violation will happen. Regards Muhire Andrew Ministry of Health / HMIS A mind is a terrible thing to waste *** ** Cell:(+25)0788436150** *** Twitter :andrewmuhire*** skype:muhire_andrew muhireand...@yahoo.com On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:06 AM, Jason Pickering jason.p.picker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andrew, Just saw your response when I sent the other mail. Lars correct me if I am wrong. There is never any duplication of data. If a facility belongs to both the Private as well as Public organisation unit groups, which in turn belong to a single group set called Ownership, what you get will not always be very clear. This is is because in the _orgunitgroupsetstructure table, there is a single entry per group set. Which one the system chooses, is not always clear, and may lead to unexpected results. This is the purpose of the data integrity check, to be sure that a single orgunit does not belong to two groups, who are members of a group set. Best regards, Jason On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Jason Pickering jason.p.picker...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't find this perfectly clear at all Knut. :) Perhaps it is just the wording of your mail, but let me try and repeat. An orgunit should not belong to two organisation unit groups who are members themselves of the same organisation unit group set. A facility should not both a member of the Hospital as well as a Health facility orgunit group which are members of an orgunit group set called Type, at least in the DHIS2 view of things, and will result in a data integrity violation. Similarly, it should not be both Private and Public. Membership in organisation unit groups which are part of a group set, should be exclusive. If the organisationunit group is not a member of a group set, then memership in multiple groups is possible. Of course, there are exceptions, like being both Norwegian and Swedish. But DHIS2 will only consider membership in one of these, and it is not always clear which one you may get. So, be sure you do not have any data integrity violations for the orgunit groups. Best regards, Jason On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com wrote: Just to be perfectly clear: The way you are assigning the SAME organisationunit as both Hospital or Health Center on the one hand and at the same time as Public or Private on the other hand is EXACTLY the way it is intendended. The system has been designed to help you do analysis along several dimensions, and the Pivot Tables are especially well suited for slicing your data and indicators along multiple dimensions depending on what you are interested in. On Thursday, December 5, 2013, Knut Staring wrote: Sorry, I meant 'no duplication'. This is for output and analysis, and does not affect the underlying data. 5. des. 2013 08:33 skrev Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com følgende: Hi Andrew, there piano duplication. It is best to think of each groupset as a dimension, and the groups are available classes within each dimension. Each dimension is independent, just like I can be both Norewegian and working on information systems. 5. des. 2013 08:23 skrev Muhire Andrew muhireand...@yahoo.com følgende: Hi all, For me the documentation is not very open or clear on Organisation unit ,Orgunit Groups, Orgunit Group sets : if i have like Health centres eg HC1,HC2,HC3,HC4,HC5 and District Hospitals : DH1,DH2,DH3,DH4,DH5 Org unit groups calledHealth centres,faith based, public,Private,Hospital,referral Org unit group set - Type : (Health centres, Hospital, referals) -Ownership: ( Faith based, Public, Private) As you can see, All Hc can be a member of a group Health centres and again Owned by/ a member of either faith based or public. So it can appear in two different groups but in different group sets. Can this affect anything? may be duplicating data? Does it duplicate only if the two like Health center group and may be faith based becomes a member of one group set? When does it duplicate data? Any clarification on this? Regards Muhire Andrew Ministry of Health / HMIS A mind is a terrible thing to waste *** ** Cell:(+25)0788436150** *** Twitter :andrewmuhire*** skype:muhire_andrew muhireand...@yahoo.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : --
Re: [Dhis2-users] Clarification on Organisation unit, groups and group sets
Thanks for clarifying. Just wanted to point out that I said Hospital OR Health Center (not both) in the first dimension , and Private OR Public (never both) in the other dimension. So each dimension (group set) is exclusive, meaning you can only pick one group within each group set. Usually, one orgunit should belong to exactly one group in each group sets. So if you have 5 group sets (dimensions), each facility would normally belong to 5 groups, one in each group set. There are some complications: We do for example allow groups that don't belong to a group set, and you don't HAVE to classify every orgunit along all dimensions if you feel it is not needed. But I would advise to do so unless you have compelling reasons not to. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Jason Pickering jason.p.picker...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't find this perfectly clear at all Knut. :) Perhaps it is just the wording of your mail, but let me try and repeat. An orgunit should not belong to two organisation unit groups who are members themselves of the same organisation unit group set. A facility should not both a member of the Hospital as well as a Health facility orgunit group which are members of an orgunit group set called Type, at least in the DHIS2 view of things, and will result in a data integrity violation. Similarly, it should not be both Private and Public. Membership in organisation unit groups which are part of a group set, should be exclusive. If the organisationunit group is not a member of a group set, then memership in multiple groups is possible. Of course, there are exceptions, like being both Norwegian and Swedish. But DHIS2 will only consider membership in one of these, and it is not always clear which one you may get. So, be sure you do not have any data integrity violations for the orgunit groups. Best regards, Jason On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com wrote: Just to be perfectly clear: The way you are assigning the SAME organisationunit as both Hospital or Health Center on the one hand and at the same time as Public or Private on the other hand is EXACTLY the way it is intendended. The system has been designed to help you do analysis along several dimensions, and the Pivot Tables are especially well suited for slicing your data and indicators along multiple dimensions depending on what you are interested in. On Thursday, December 5, 2013, Knut Staring wrote: Sorry, I meant 'no duplication'. This is for output and analysis, and does not affect the underlying data. 5. des. 2013 08:33 skrev Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com følgende: Hi Andrew, there piano duplication. It is best to think of each groupset as a dimension, and the groups are available classes within each dimension. Each dimension is independent, just like I can be both Norewegian and working on information systems. 5. des. 2013 08:23 skrev Muhire Andrew muhireand...@yahoo.com følgende: Hi all, For me the documentation is not very open or clear on Organisation unit ,Orgunit Groups, Orgunit Group sets : if i have like Health centres eg HC1,HC2,HC3,HC4,HC5 and District Hospitals : DH1,DH2,DH3,DH4,DH5 Org unit groups called Health centres, faith based, public,Private, Hospital,referral Org unit group set - Type : (Health centres, Hospital, referals) -Ownership: ( Faith based, Public, Private) As you can see, All Hc can be a member of a group Health centres and again Owned by/ a member of either faith based or public. So it can appear in two different groups but in different group sets. Can this affect anything? may be duplicating data? Does it duplicate only if the two like Health center group and may be faith based becomes a member of one group set? When does it duplicate data? Any clarification on this? Regards -- * Muhire Andrew * * Ministry of Health / HMIS* *A mind is a terrible thing to waste* *** ** Cell:(+25)0788436150** *** Twitter :andrewmuhire*** skype:muhire_andrew *muhireand...@yahoo.com* ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : -- Knut Staring Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo +4791880522 http://dhis2.org ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Knut Staring Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo +4791880522 http://dhis2.org ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Dhis2-users] using DHIS live with Demo database webserver doesn't start
I did a merge to our branch a few minutes ago and create a new build. Going to try with your build from last night. Regards, Paulo Grácio From: Lars Helge Øverland [mailto:larshe...@gmail.com] Sent: quinta-feira, 5 de Dezembro de 2013 10:57 To: Paulo Grácio Cc: Aad van Geldermalsen; DHIS 2 Users list Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] using DHIS live with Demo database webserver doesn't start Okay - did you try the Live download from dhis2.org from last night? On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Paulo Grácio pgra...@criticalsoftware.com wrote: Hi Lars, Im also facing a similar problem. The first time I start the service it starts ok and Im able to authentication with default admin user. If I restart the service although I get a success message on log, trying to access the application I get HTTP ERROR: 503 Problem accessing /. Reason: SERVICE_UNAVAILABLE Powered by Jetty:// Regards, Paulo Grácio From: Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+pgracio mailto:dhis2-users-bounces%2Bpgracio =criticalsoftware@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Lars Helge Øverland Sent: quarta-feira, 4 de Dezembro de 2013 18:36 To: Aad van Geldermalsen Cc: DHIS 2 Users list Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] using DHIS live with Demo database webserver doesn't start Hi Aad, we have just made a fix to DHIS version 2.13 which solves an issue for starting up on Live. Could you please download the latest one from here and try again: http://www.dhis2.org/downloads Re the database I suspect that you have not connected to Postgres but are still running on H2. regards, Lars ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Dhis2-users] using DHIS live with Demo database webserver doesn't start
With yours is working fine I have missed something during the merge or build process L From: Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+pgracio=criticalsoftware@lists.launchpad.net ] On Behalf Of Paulo Grácio Sent: quinta-feira, 5 de Dezembro de 2013 11:00 To: 'Lars Helge Øverland' Cc: 'DHIS 2 Users list' Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] using DHIS live with Demo database webserver doesn't start I did a merge to our branch a few minutes ago and create a new build. Going to try with your build from last night. Regards, Paulo Grácio From: Lars Helge Øverland [mailto:larshe...@gmail.com] Sent: quinta-feira, 5 de Dezembro de 2013 10:57 To: Paulo Grácio Cc: Aad van Geldermalsen; DHIS 2 Users list Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] using DHIS live with Demo database webserver doesn't start Okay - did you try the Live download from dhis2.org from last night? On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Paulo Grácio pgra...@criticalsoftware.com wrote: Hi Lars, Im also facing a similar problem. The first time I start the service it starts ok and Im able to authentication with default admin user. If I restart the service although I get a success message on log, trying to access the application I get HTTP ERROR: 503 Problem accessing /. Reason: SERVICE_UNAVAILABLE Powered by Jetty:// Regards, Paulo Grácio From: Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+pgracio mailto:dhis2-users-bounces%2Bpgracio =criticalsoftware@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Lars Helge Øverland Sent: quarta-feira, 4 de Dezembro de 2013 18:36 To: Aad van Geldermalsen Cc: DHIS 2 Users list Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] using DHIS live with Demo database webserver doesn't start Hi Aad, we have just made a fix to DHIS version 2.13 which solves an issue for starting up on Live. Could you please download the latest one from here and try again: http://www.dhis2.org/downloads Re the database I suspect that you have not connected to Postgres but are still running on H2. regards, Lars ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Dhis2-users] using DHIS live with Demo database webserver doesn't start
Good. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Paulo Grácio pgra...@criticalsoftware.comwrote: With yours is working fine… I have missed something during the merge or build process … L *From:* Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+pgracio= criticalsoftware@lists.launchpad.net] *On Behalf Of *Paulo Grácio *Sent:* quinta-feira, 5 de Dezembro de 2013 11:00 *To:* 'Lars Helge Øverland' *Cc:* 'DHIS 2 Users list' *Subject:* Re: [Dhis2-users] using DHIS live with Demo database webserver doesn't start I did a merge to our branch a few minutes ago and create a new build. Going to try with your build from last night. Regards, Paulo Grácio *From:* Lars Helge Øverland [mailto:larshe...@gmail.comlarshe...@gmail.com] *Sent:* quinta-feira, 5 de Dezembro de 2013 10:57 *To:* Paulo Grácio *Cc:* Aad van Geldermalsen; DHIS 2 Users list *Subject:* Re: [Dhis2-users] using DHIS live with Demo database webserver doesn't start Okay - did you try the Live download from dhis2.org from last night? On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Paulo Grácio pgra...@criticalsoftware.com wrote: Hi Lars, I’m also facing a similar problem. The first time I start the service it starts ok and I’m able to authentication with default admin user. If I restart the service although I get a success message on log, trying to access the application I get HTTP ERROR: 503 Problem accessing /. Reason: SERVICE_UNAVAILABLE Powered by Jetty:// Regards, Paulo Grácio *From:* Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+pgracio= criticalsoftware@lists.launchpad.net] *On Behalf Of *Lars Helge Øverland *Sent:* quarta-feira, 4 de Dezembro de 2013 18:36 *To:* Aad van Geldermalsen *Cc:* DHIS 2 Users list *Subject:* Re: [Dhis2-users] using DHIS live with Demo database webserver doesn't start Hi Aad, we have just made a fix to DHIS version 2.13 which solves an issue for starting up on Live. Could you please download the latest one from here and try again: http://www.dhis2.org/downloads Re the database I suspect that you have not connected to Postgres but are still running on H2. regards, Lars ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Dhis2-users] Clarification on Organisation unit, groups and group sets
Thank you all for your clarifications and quick reactions. Now its clear. Regards Muhire Andrew Ministry of Health / HMIS A mind is a terrible thing to waste *** ** Cell:(+25)0788436150** *** Twitter :andrewmuhire*** skype:muhire_andrew muhireand...@yahoo.com On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:48 AM, Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for clarifying. Just wanted to point out that I said Hospital OR Health Center (not both) in the first dimension , and Private OR Public (never both) in the other dimension. So each dimension (group set) is exclusive, meaning you can only pick one group within each group set. Usually, one orgunit should belong to exactly one group in each group sets. So if you have 5 group sets (dimensions), each facility would normally belong to 5 groups, one in each group set. There are some complications: We do for example allow groups that don't belong to a group set, and you don't HAVE to classify every orgunit along all dimensions if you feel it is not needed. But I would advise to do so unless you have compelling reasons not to. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Jason Pickering jason.p.picker...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't find this perfectly clear at all Knut. :) Perhaps it is just the wording of your mail, but let me try and repeat. An orgunit should not belong to two organisation unit groups who are members themselves of the same organisation unit group set. A facility should not both a member of the Hospital as well as a Health facility orgunit group which are members of an orgunit group set called Type, at least in the DHIS2 view of things, and will result in a data integrity violation. Similarly, it should not be both Private and Public. Membership in organisation unit groups which are part of a group set, should be exclusive. If the organisationunit group is not a member of a group set, then memership in multiple groups is possible. Of course, there are exceptions, like being both Norwegian and Swedish. But DHIS2 will only consider membership in one of these, and it is not always clear which one you may get. So, be sure you do not have any data integrity violations for the orgunit groups. Best regards, Jason On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com wrote: Just to be perfectly clear: The way you are assigning the SAME organisationunit as both Hospital or Health Center on the one hand and at the same time as Public or Private on the other hand is EXACTLY the way it is intendended. The system has been designed to help you do analysis along several dimensions, and the Pivot Tables are especially well suited for slicing your data and indicators along multiple dimensions depending on what you are interested in. On Thursday, December 5, 2013, Knut Staring wrote: Sorry, I meant 'no duplication'. This is for output and analysis, and does not affect the underlying data. 5. des. 2013 08:33 skrev Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com følgende: Hi Andrew, there piano duplication. It is best to think of each groupset as a dimension, and the groups are available classes within each dimension. Each dimension is independent, just like I can be both Norewegian and working on information systems. 5. des. 2013 08:23 skrev Muhire Andrew muhireand...@yahoo.com følgende: Hi all, For me the documentation is not very open or clear on Organisation unit ,Orgunit Groups, Orgunit Group sets : if i have like Health centres eg HC1,HC2,HC3,HC4,HC5 and District Hospitals : DH1,DH2,DH3,DH4,DH5 Org unit groups calledHealth centres,faith based, public,Private,Hospital,referral Org unit group set - Type : (Health centres, Hospital, referals) -Ownership: ( Faith based, Public, Private) As you can see, All Hc can be a member of a group Health centres and again Owned by/ a member of either faith based or public. So it can appear in two different groups but in different group sets. Can this affect anything? may be duplicating data? Does it duplicate only if the two like Health center group and may be faith based becomes a member of one group set? When does it duplicate data? Any clarification on this? Regards Muhire Andrew Ministry of Health / HMIS A mind is a terrible thing to waste *** ** Cell:(+25)0788436150** *** Twitter :andrewmuhire*** skype:muhire_andrew muhireand...@yahoo.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : -- Knut Staring Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo +4791880522 http://dhis2.org ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help :
Re: [Dhis2-users] Homologous periods for indicators
Thanks a lot, Jim. We are in fact already developing a powerful time series app for which this is the main missing thing, however we may have to change to a different javascript graphing library (because of the license). Knut On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Jim Grace jimgr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, By all means tell anyone requesting this type of analysis about the new surveillance-type validation rules. They do exactly this type of analysis, for example the calculation Knut mentioned, comparing this year's weekly data with the average of the three previous years (e.g. week 48), multiplied by 1.5. Surveillance rule features also include: - You can average not only just over the same period in a number of previous years, but over a bounded set of weeks surrounding the week in question, or a combination of both (e.g. comparing week 48 this year with the average of weeks 47,48 and 49 in the previous two years, and week 47 this year.) - You can throw out a configurable number of high and/or low outliers from previous data before doing the average, so you're not comparing the new data data against previous outbreaks and/or unusually low values. - You can analyze the data automatically as it comes in from data entry each day, for any data elements (singly or in a formula) in all organisation units at whatever levels you like, with customized formulas at each different organizational unit level (e.g. an alarming district-wide increase may be a lower percent than what could be random variation at individual sites.) And be notified automatically through DHIS messaging (by email if you like) of any outliers. If they want the data for display, this would have to be added whether in the visualizer or a new app. But if they want the data for outbreak detection, by all means also tell them about the new surveillance rules. Cheers, Jim On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Bram Piot bram.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Surprisingly, yesterday I had exactly the same request from one of our users in Uganda: they'd like to see monthly data for current and past year as separate lines on the same chart, very similar to Knut's example. I can imagine that this would be rather complex to handle in the visualiser - maybe this needs a separate app? bram piot On 5 December 2013 10:08, Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Ola, it's a good idea to have this also available as part of validation rules. However, my immediate need and what organizations dealing with seasonal epidemics such as WHO and CDC would like to see are charts with two lines: The trend of cases and deaths for the current year as compared to the trend lines for a) the previous year or b) some kind of average for several previous years. See the attached example. Knut On Thursday, December 5, 2013, Ola Hodne Titlestad wrote: Knut, Your example looks more like the kind of functionality we have/could build into in surveillance type validation rules. Ola -- On 4 Dec 2013 22:07, Knut Staring knu...@gmail.com wrote: We have the same requirement, in our case to compare this year's weekly data with the average of the three previous years foe the corresponding periods (e.g. week 48), multiplied by 1.5. Perhaps this should be available in the indicator calculation? And/or an easy way to get it through the api. Could you start on a Blueprint for this? 4. des. 2013 20:46 skrev Paulo Grácio pgra...@criticalsoftware.com følgende: Hi, One of the challenges that I have at the moment is the creation of an indicator based on homologous period to have evolution. Any idea/suggestion? For instance get Malaria deaths for period (2013) and Malaria deaths for period-1 (2012). Regards Paulo Grácio ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs Post to : dhis2-d...@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Knut Staring Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo +4791880522 http://dhis2.org ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Knut Staring Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo +4791880522 http://dhis2.org
