Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-04 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
Absolutely not inappropriate. I actually prefer it being a newsgroup user. Many people will instead reference a post on the forum instead of replying, and then I have to use the forum interface to see what they are talking about. I'd much rather have the full discussion in my preferred

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-04 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
To Zachary: The big temptation for software developers is to *promise* stability in order to attract the users they need in order to get the feedback they need in order to create the best possible design, and then break stability with the new design. Yes - economists call this time

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-04 Thread Don via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 4 February 2015 at 03:52:26 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: Excellent post. This situation is very obvious to us at Sociomantic, as we're at the forefront of a massive disruption that is happening in the advertising industry. D has far better prospects in disruptive technology, rather

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-04 Thread Zach the Mystic via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 4 February 2015 at 10:07:53 UTC, Don wrote: Yes, that's true, and so my opinions should be slightly weighted downwards. But even so, the reality is that bugfixes cause breakages anyway. Most code that isn't actively being maintained, is broken already. If you're an early adopter,

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-03 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
Excellent post. This situation is very obvious to us at Sociomantic, as we're at the forefront of a massive disruption that is happening in the advertising industry. D has far better prospects in disruptive technology, rather than trying to compete with incumbents in the rapidly disappearing

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-03 Thread Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d
On 2/2/15 3:32 PM, Laeeth Isharc wrote: Perhaps I should have made clearer in my post, but do you think it is necessarily inappropriate to extend a conversation that petered out rather than making a new post. Many observers (Neil Postman - 'amusing ourselves to death') have pointed to the

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-03 Thread Don via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 1 February 2015 at 23:20:15 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 18:20:23 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: The closer that C++ gets to D, the less interested that many people will be in adopting it, particularly because of the large user base and the large amount of

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-02 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 2 February 2015 at 00:49:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Thanks for the good read! BTW, one effect D has had is that other languages are adopting D's features, though few will admit it. Yes - eerily out of the book from the Innovator's Dilemma. But as Jonathan said (and maybe you

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-02 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 2/2/2015 12:20 PM, Laeeth Isharc wrote: On Monday, 2 February 2015 at 00:49:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Thanks for the good read! BTW, one effect D has had is that other languages are adopting D's features, though few will admit it. Yes - eerily out of the book from the Innovator's

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-02 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
Wait, is this a reply today to a post made in November 2012? -- Andrei Yes, here is what happens: 1. person does a search, finds 2+ year old thread that he likes to respond to. 2. Entire thread gets pushed to the most recent posts on forum/newsgroup 3. Others now see the thread (possibly

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-02 Thread Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d
On 2/1/15 7:51 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 2/1/15 4:35 PM, deadalnix wrote: On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 10:00:29 UTC, jdrewsen wrote: It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies from D like Ranges, static if, template contraints etc. Will D

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-02 Thread eles via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 2 February 2015 at 00:49:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Thanks for the good read! BTW, one effect D has had is that other languages are adopting D's features, though few will admit it. But those who know are very grateful to D for that. OTOH, it would be a pity if D remains just a

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-02 Thread ponce via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 2 February 2015 at 00:35:14 UTC, deadalnix wrote: Fast compile time, bearable syntax, thread safety arc so on... C++ is building on faulty foundation. I see them talking example from us as a good news. I don't see any way writing C++ could become a much better experience than

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-01 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 18:20:23 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: The closer that C++ gets to D, the less interested that many people will be in adopting it, particularly because of the large user base and the large amount of code out there that already uses C++. Programmers have to be

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-01 Thread deadalnix via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 10:00:29 UTC, jdrewsen wrote: It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies from D like Ranges, static if, template contraints etc. Will D still have a case when C++ gets this done? I wonder if Andrei is part of the C++

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-01 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
Thanks for the good read! BTW, one effect D has had is that other languages are adopting D's features, though few will admit it.

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-01 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
On 2/1/15 4:35 PM, deadalnix wrote: On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 10:00:29 UTC, jdrewsen wrote: It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies from D like Ranges, static if, template contraints etc. Will D still have a case when C++ gets this done? I

Re: C++ to catch up?

2015-02-01 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 1 February 2015 at 23:20:15 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: [Table doesn't format well, but you can see it here. The surrounding text is less relevant]. http://recode.net/2014/01/06/the-four-stages-of-disruption-2/ Heh, funny that that article was written by Sinofsky, who manifestly

Re: C++ to catch up?

2012-11-06 Thread Timon Gehr
On 11/05/2012 04:54 PM, deadalnix wrote: Le 05/11/2012 11:22, Nick Sabalausky a écrit : On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:00:27 +0100 jdrewsennospam4...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies from D like Ranges, static if, template

C++ to catch up?

2012-11-05 Thread jdrewsen
It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies from D like Ranges, static if, template contraints etc. Will D still have a case when C++ gets this done? I wonder if Andrei is part of the C++ Ranges Study Group? The Future of C++:

Re: C++ to catch up?

2012-11-05 Thread Nick Sabalausky
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:00:27 +0100 jdrewsen nospam4...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies from D like Ranges, static if, template contraints etc. Will D still have a case when C++ gets this done? Yes, even if they

Re: C++ to catch up?

2012-11-05 Thread monarch_dodra
On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 10:22:02 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:00:27 +0100 jdrewsen nospam4...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies from D like Ranges, static if, template contraints etc. Will D

Re: C++ to catch up?

2012-11-05 Thread Paulo Pinto
On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 11:06:39 UTC, monarch_dodra wrote: On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 10:22:02 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:00:27 +0100 jdrewsen nospam4...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies

Re: C++ to catch up?

2012-11-05 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
differences too, but it is little conveniences and cleaner syntax, etc., that I don't think C++ will catch up on.

Re: C++ to catch up?

2012-11-05 Thread deadalnix
Le 05/11/2012 11:22, Nick Sabalausky a écrit : On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:00:27 +0100 jdrewsennospam4...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies from D like Ranges, static if, template contraints etc. Will D still have a case when

Re: C++ to catch up?

2012-11-05 Thread Tobias Pankrath
On 11/05/2012 11:22 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:00:27 +0100 jdrewsen nospam4...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies from D like Ranges, static if, template contraints etc. Will D still have a case when

Re: C++ to catch up?

2012-11-05 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 01:19:04PM +0100, jdrewsen wrote: On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 11:39:54 UTC, Erèbe wrote: On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 10:00:29 UTC, jdrewsen wrote: It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies from D like Ranges, static if,

Re: C++ to catch up?

2012-11-05 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Monday, November 05, 2012 11:00:27 jdrewsen wrote: It seems like the C++ committee is speeding up development adding lots of the goodies from D like Ranges, static if, template contraints etc. Will D still have a case when C++ gets this done? I wonder if Andrei is part of the C++

Re: C++ to catch up?

2012-11-05 Thread Marco Leise
Am Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:10:35 +0100 schrieb Paulo Pinto pj...@progtools.org: On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 11:06:39 UTC, monarch_dodra wrote: On Monday, 5 November 2012 at 10:22:02 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:00:27 +0100 jdrewsen nospam4...@hotmail.com wrote: