Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On Saturday, 4 March 2017 at 11:30:44 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Saturday, 4 March 2017 at 11:29:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: worth considering that worth considering the possibility that* I almost always consider that anything may not be true, and I am definitely considering it whenever I use the verb "may" ;) More than speculation, my concern was Andrej's report that clearing cookies was not enough, or whether you or anyone knows for a fact if it's false or true, or any additional test people may do to shed light. Specially since most mechanisms used by most search engines have secret elements in this aspect -- the Wikipedia article on filter bubbles does not provide any information about the mechanisms, just the effects.
Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On Saturday, 4 March 2017 at 11:29:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Saturday, 4 March 2017 at 11:26:31 UTC, XavierAP wrote: Google try their best and they may track individual IP addresses (even dynamic) I am not going to debate this but it might be worth considering that this is simply not true, as far as search result customization goes. Maybe I typed "d lib" instead of "d libs", but Google is doing regional IP based changes to results.
Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On Saturday, 4 March 2017 at 11:29:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: worth considering that worth considering the possibility that*
Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On Saturday, 4 March 2017 at 11:26:31 UTC, XavierAP wrote: Google try their best and they may track individual IP addresses (even dynamic) I am not going to debate this but it might be worth considering that this is simply not true, as far as search result customization goes.
Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On Saturday, 4 March 2017 at 11:16:17 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: Most browsers have a private browsing mode, which separates cache/cookies/etc. from your regular browsing. Doing this will usually allow you to temporarily reset your filter bubble. As Andrej said above, clearing cookies (or browsing privately) had not been enough, although it might have some partial effect, or not. Google try their best and they may track individual IP addresses (even dynamic) or whatever data is available to them, besides localizing results per countries and regions of course.
Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On Friday, 3 March 2017 at 07:51:06 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: Not sure what you mean by private session, but they build up a model of your fields of interest which is why you are getting relevant results. Most browsers have a private browsing mode, which separates cache/cookies/etc. from your regular browsing. Doing this will usually allow you to temporarily reset your filter bubble. I get those same results when using my regular browser, but when using another browser I get "ad lib" etc, nothing about programming. You might be hitting a different Google server. It's a common misconception that all search queries go through the same algorithm and database all the time; I remember reading somewhere that Google might have up to hundreds of variations of search algorithms available at any single point in time. The results I get on all browsers (incl. my cell phone in a private session on 3G): 1. "Libraries and Frameworks" on our wiki 2. awesome-d 3. D-Lib Magazine (unrelated to D). I think Google has a local data center here in Moldova, so it's likely that all my search queries go there. I do get a "Did you mean" suggestion for "ad libs", is that what you meant?
Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On Friday, 3 March 2017 at 09:50:58 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On Friday, 3 March 2017 at 07:51:06 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: I get those same results when using my regular browser, but when using another browser I get "ad lib" etc, nothing about programming. You may be right. :) I mistakenly thought the lack of cookies would be enough to get clean results. So much for that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_bubble If you're looking for a search engine that doesn't "track" or "bubble" you (and it's quite good too), try duckduckgo.com https://duckduckgo.com/privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo If you want to get neutral results from Google in particular (as far as possible), duckduckgo has "bang" searches, for example searching for "!g dlang" redirects to a Google search of "dlang" in https and as anonymous as Google allows. https://duckduckgo.com/bang
Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On Friday, 3 March 2017 at 18:28:50 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: startpage.com is another way to get clean (or at least clean-ish) results. Although, it's conceivable (probable?) it's really giving out results based on a "user" that's really an aggregate of startpage.com's users. I'm getting completly different results from startpage.com too... But I assume Google also have geographical bias... Too much AI...
Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On 03/03/2017 04:50 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On Friday, 3 March 2017 at 07:51:06 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: I get those same results when using my regular browser, but when using another browser I get "ad lib" etc, nothing about programming. You may be right. :) I mistakenly thought the lack of cookies would be enough to get clean results. So much for that! startpage.com is another way to get clean (or at least clean-ish) results. Although, it's conceivable (probable?) it's really giving out results based on a "user" that's really an aggregate of startpage.com's users.
Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On Friday, 3 March 2017 at 07:51:06 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: I get those same results when using my regular browser, but when using another browser I get "ad lib" etc, nothing about programming. You may be right. :) I mistakenly thought the lack of cookies would be enough to get clean results. So much for that!
Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On Thursday, 2 March 2017 at 22:17:44 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: https://9to5google.com/2017/03/02/google-search-technical-queries-programming-languages/ I just used a private session and opened google, searched for "d libs" and the first three results were the DWiki and a Github project, Not sure what you mean by private session, but they build up a model of your fields of interest which is why you are getting relevant results. I get those same results when using my regular browser, but when using another browser I get "ad lib" etc, nothing about programming.
Re: Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
On Thursday, 2 March 2017 at 22:17:44 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: https://9to5google.com/2017/03/02/google-search-technical-queries-programming-languages/ I just used a private session and opened google, searched for "d libs" and the first three results were the DWiki and a Github project, https://wiki.dlang.org/Libraries_and_Frameworks, https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries, and https://github.com/zhaopuming/awesome-d. Pretty decent! I don't know what it looked like before, but I do know a lot of people complain about D being unsearchable. I also heard these complaints about Go as well, so D isn't alone in this. If any of you have had issues with searching for D, could you give us an update on whether these rolled-out changes by Google have had any effect? The proper term to use for google is dlang. When I use that I rarely have issues finding what I need.
Google is apparently now better at searching programming-related questions
https://9to5google.com/2017/03/02/google-search-technical-queries-programming-languages/ I just used a private session and opened google, searched for "d libs" and the first three results were the DWiki and a Github project, https://wiki.dlang.org/Libraries_and_Frameworks, https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries, and https://github.com/zhaopuming/awesome-d. Pretty decent! I don't know what it looked like before, but I do know a lot of people complain about D being unsearchable. I also heard these complaints about Go as well, so D isn't alone in this. If any of you have had issues with searching for D, could you give us an update on whether these rolled-out changes by Google have had any effect?
