On 1/4/2021 11:22 PM, 9il wrote:
I can't reproduce the same DMD output as you.
I did it on Windows 32 bit. I tried it on Linux 32, which does indeed show the
behavior you mentioned. At the moment I don't know why the different behaviors.
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21526
It j
On 1/5/2021 5:30 AM, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
It would be nice if no excess precision was ever used. It can sometimes gives a
false sense of correctness. It has no upside except accidental correctness that
can break when compiled for a different platform.
That same argument could be use to alwa
On 1/5/2021 2:42 AM, 9il wrote:
On Tuesday, 5 January 2021 at 09:47:41 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 1/4/2021 11:22 PM, 9il wrote:
I can't reproduce the same DMD output as you.
I did it on Windows 32 bit. I tried it on Linux 32, which does indeed show the
behavior you mentioned. At the moment
On 1/5/2021 9:57 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
Anyway, I wouldn't necessarily say occasional accidental correctness is the only
upside, you also get better performance and simpler code generation on the
deprecated x87. I don't see any further upsides though, and for me, it's a
terrible trade-off, becau
On 1/6/2021 4:26 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2021-01-06 03:30, Walter Bright wrote:
The baseline Linux target does not have SSE.
Other compilers solve this by having a flag to specify the minimum target CPU.
DMD has flags for that, too.
On 1/6/2021 1:31 AM, 9il wrote:
> [...]
This is the same problem as https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21526
It has been provided in the thread
https://forum.dlang.org/post/gqzdiicrvtlicurxy...@forum.dlang.org
In general, I strongly reiterate that posting bugs to the n.g. means they li
On 1/9/2021 11:18 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2021-01-06 03:30, Walter Bright wrote:
The baseline Linux target does not have SSE.
What about this changelog entry:
https://dlang.org/changelog/2.087.0.html#xmm-linux-changelog ?
Eh, you're right. It's FreeBSD32
This is great news! Congrats to Andrew and Razvan. I'm looking forward to
working with them.
Welcome Max and congratulations!
On 1/24/2021 5:49 AM, Timon Gehr wrote:
There is certainly useful work to be done in the issue tracker. I am here
objecting to certain systematic destructive practices that do not even have any
upside. I wish this kind of behavior would stop forever. You are not the first
person to engage into
On 1/24/2021 10:46 PM, Imperatorn wrote:
Imo it's reasonable to close or archive issues that are older than 10 years.
We are not going to do that just because they are old.
If a bug still exists in the current DMD, the bug report stays open.
On 1/31/2021 12:36 PM, aberba wrote:
It's finally out!
https://opensource.com/article/21/1/d-scripting
Very nice and informative article!
Now #5 on the front page of https://news.ycombinator.com/news
The page being discussed:
https://p0nce.github.io/d-idioms/
and on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/lhssjp/idioms_for_the_d_programming_language/
On 2/11/2021 5:53 PM, James Lu wrote:
On Thursday, 11 February 2021 at 20:12:36 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Now #5 on the front page of https://news.ycombinator.com/news
I've gotten Dlang to the frontpage of HN 3 other times:
Specification for the D Programming Language
https://news.ycombinat
On 2/13/2021 7:57 AM, James Lu wrote:
I once resubmitted with an AMA-style comment, which was the difference between
getting 12 points and not getting on the frontpage, and getting on the frontpage
with 158 points.
Yup.
Another critical thing is to make the first post. The first post has a st
On 2/17/2021 2:09 PM, Dennis wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 February 2021 at 20:53:49 UTC, tchaloupka wrote:
Thanks for this, looks great.
Could the generated code be annotated with nothrow @nogc too?
+1
This is actually missing in many core.sys.windows modules.
Please file bugzilla issues for the
Thank you, Martin!
https://briancallahan.net/blog/20210320.html
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26520996#26531423
https://reddit.com/r/programming/comments/m9xu8s/a_working_d_compiler_on_openbsd/
Thanks to Dr Brian Callahan!
No problem, Brian. I just assumed that since the article used Dr, that you
preferred it.
It's a good idea to sign up on Reddit and HN, if only to help support your work
and articles.
On 4/14/2021 8:10 AM, Martin Nowak wrote:
Glad to announce the first beta for the 2.096.1 point release, ♥ to the 15
contributors.
Thank you, Martin!
I'll be doing a reprise of my DConf 2020 talk on Destroy All Memory Corruption
on April 21, 2021 at 7PM PST.
https://nwcpp.org/
Except this time it'll be live, not prerecorded.
All are welcome!
On 4/21/2021 6:31 PM, Ali Çehreli wrote:
This is happening in half an hour. It requires MS Teams, which requires a MS (or
Skype) account.
I was a bit concerned about this, so a couple days earlier Lloyd and I worked to
get everything configured and working at my end.
It worked smoothly, but
On 4/24/2021 2:53 PM, Paul Backus wrote:
I assume it's to ensure that objects are destroyed properly when unwinding the
stack. Might be possible to avoid in `nothrow` code.
Yes, you can avoid this in nothrow code.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/ImportC?src=hashtag_click
There are a couple ancient tweets there, just ignore them.
On 6/10/2021 9:08 AM, Imperatorn wrote:
On Tuesday, 8 June 2021 at 06:39:51 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/ImportC?src=hashtag_click
There are a couple ancient tweets there, just ignore them.
ImportC will actually be kinda cool
Yup, that's why I'm putting the effort i
On 7/14/2021 12:38 PM, kinke wrote:
Glad to announce the third beta for LDC 1.27. Some noteworthy changes since
beta2:
Nice work!
On 7/29/2021 7:51 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
GCC version 11.2 was released on the 28th.
Thank you!
On 10/5/2021 10:36 AM, ag0aep6g wrote:
it's also true that Walter prioritizes new features instead (ImportC is the
latest fad)
ImportC resolves a long standing serious issue where multiple other substantial
attempts at solving it have fallen short over the years. Unfortunately, ImportC
is use
On 10/5/2021 8:57 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
On 10/4/21 6:40 PM, Temtaime wrote:
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22115 was created for no reason and
fixed same day.
Aside from the tasteless (and incorrect) attack here, creating an issue, even
for a small change, puts something i
Use #dconf2021 on twitter!
https://twitter.com/hashtag/dconf2021
On 10/19/2021 6:35 AM, Timon Gehr wrote:
I think @live is a dead end and any further work on it is probably wasted unless
the code is reusable for some other feature. Ownership is a property of values,
not of functions operating on those values. In particular, prioritizing ImportC
over @live is
On 10/19/2021 10:08 PM, max haughton wrote:
Why is compiling zlib a goalpost for *Import*C?
Dogfooding.
The Emperor would shoot you for interrupting his wedding with this news! Fire
when Gordon's in range!
On 10/25/2021 1:38 AM, Tero Hänninen wrote:
On Monday, 25 October 2021 at 00:39:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
The Emperor would shoot you for interrupting his wedding with this news! Fire
when Gordon's in range!
Ohh sh*t, I've got to runnn!
Thanks for creating D, Walter. I liked the core D lan
https://lsferreira.net/posts/zet-1-classes-betterc-d/
by Luís Ferreira
It's currently on the front page of Hacker News:
https://news.ycombinator.com/
Mike, the conference went great and very smoothly! You did a great job on all
aspects!
And thanks to all the presenters for great work, too!
On 11/30/2021 11:37 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
The latest version of the D language has [now
landed](https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commit;h=5fee5ec362f7a243f459e6378fd49dfc89dc9fb5)
in GCC.
Excellent!
Compile with -vasm to see it! Enjoy!
For the file test.d:
int demo(int x)
{
return x * x;
}
Compiling with:
dmd test.d -c -vasm
prints:
_D4test4demoFiZi:
: 89 F8 mov EAX,EDI
0002: 0F AF C0imulEAX,EAX
0005: C3
On 1/8/2022 10:47 AM, Vladimir Marchevsky wrote:
On Friday, 7 January 2022 at 21:41:55 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Compile with -vasm to see it! Enjoy!
Any practical reason to put disassembler into compiler instead of making it a
separate tool? Any ETA for renaming it into DMD Burning ROM? :)
On 1/8/2022 12:50 PM, max haughton wrote:
On Saturday, 8 January 2022 at 18:47:11 UTC, Vladimir Marchevsky wrote:
On Friday, 7 January 2022 at 21:41:55 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Compile with -vasm to see it! Enjoy!
Any practical reason to put disassembler into compiler instead of making it a
On 1/7/2022 10:39 PM, ag0aep6g wrote:
With feature creep in full swing now, when can I expect to read my email with
DMD?
The real question is why doesn't your email reader have an option to disassemble
the email?
On 1/7/2022 4:43 PM, Elronnd wrote:
On Friday, 7 January 2022 at 21:41:55 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
: 89 F8 mov EAX,EDI
Feature request: octal.
I buried my PDP-11 long ago. Sob.
On 1/7/2022 7:25 PM, Brian Callahan wrote:
Thanks Walter. This is quite useful.
Welcs. I'm already productively using it myself.
On 1/8/2022 10:04 PM, max haughton wrote:
Anyway, I've been playing with -vasm and I think it seems pretty good so far.
There are some formatting issues which shouldn't be hard to fix at all (this is
why we asked for some basic tests of the shape of the output), put I think I've
only found one
On 1/8/2022 10:04 PM, max haughton wrote:
For GCC/Clang you'd want -S
I know about that, but take a look at it:
> cat fred.c
int fred(int a[10])
{
return a[11];
}
> cc -S test.c
> cat test.s
.file "test.c"
.text
.globl test
.type test, @function
test
On 1/9/2022 11:33 AM, max haughton wrote:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2511018/how-does-objdump-manage-to-display-source-code-with-the-s-option
obj2asm does the same thing:
https://www.digitalmars.com/ctg/obj2asm.html
"Why I like D" is on the front page of HackerNews at the moment at number 11.
https://news.ycombinator.com/news
On 1/12/2022 8:14 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
I wonder if there is just so much fear of the GC vs people who actually tried to
use the GC and it failed to suit their needs. I've never been afraid of the GC
in my projects, and it hasn't hurt me at all.
My experience with people who don't wa
Nice work, Max!
On 1/24/2022 10:22 AM, Imperatorn wrote:
On Monday, 24 January 2022 at 14:22:21 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
Some of you may be aware that Walter recently added a disassembler to DMD. He
writes about it in his latest post for the D blog.
The blog:
https://dlang.org/blog/2022/01/24/the-binary-langua
On 1/24/2022 1:57 PM, Moth wrote:
first: how exactly does assembly output relate to moisture vaporators?
Vaporators run on compiled code, so do understand the binary code of vaporators,
you'll need a disassembler.
I wanted to make looking at the binary code easy and fun.
second: what on ea
This is a nice initiative, Thanks!
But may I offer a suggestion:
The phrase "How bad really is the D ecosystem?" only asks a question, but people
tend to interpret such sentences as "D's ecosystem is really bad". What works
better is:
"How good really is the D ecosystem?"
On 1/24/2022 4:34 PM, Elronnd wrote:
On Monday, 24 January 2022 at 23:33:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
The phrase "How bad really is the D ecosystem?" only asks a question, but
people tend to interpret such sentences as "D's ecosystem is really bad". What
works better is:
"How good really is t
On 1/25/2022 12:44 AM, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
I'll consider fixing this.
I always read "How good really is X?" as "this is bad"
and "How bad really is X?" as "this is good"
probably because for the french the best appreciation you can get is "not bad!"
Thanks for considering it.
On 2/6/2022 7:17 AM, Paul Backus wrote:
To be honest, though, I can see where he's coming from. When writing DIP 1038, I
made a conscious effort to avoid using the term "non-`@nodiscard`", due to the
double negative. With a positively-phrased name like `@mustUse`, that problem
disappears.
And
On 2/6/2022 9:05 PM, forkit wrote:
only to have the compiler complain, that its' actually @mustUse
I have to agree. All D keywords and imports and compiler-recognized attributes
are lower case, @mustuse should be consistent with that.
On 2/7/2022 5:10 PM, forkit wrote:
Suppose I don't want to 'use it'. That should be allowed, as long as I don't
discard it. With mustuse, I'm being told I can't discard it, and that i must use
it.
Sorry, all those negations made my brain explode.
P.S. English has examples of negation issues,
On 2/6/2022 7:14 AM, Daniel N wrote:
However by choosing "use" we could avoid the entire discussion about which case
to use...
"mustuse" is much more greppable.
On 2/7/2022 6:21 PM, Paul Backus wrote:
On Monday, 7 February 2022 at 23:40:38 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 2/6/2022 9:05 PM, forkit wrote:
only to have the compiler complain, that its' actually @mustUse
I have to agree. All D keywords and imports and compiler-recognized attributes
are lower
On 2/10/2022 12:06 AM, Mathias LANG wrote:
I think an *immediate* improvement we could make to ease people's life is to
make `auto` peel the outermost qualifier level inside functions.
So that:
```D
const int* ptr;
auto p2 = ptr;
static assert(is(typeof(p2) == const(int)*));
```
I really can't
On 2/10/2022 12:34 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 2/10/2022 12:06 AM, Mathias LANG wrote:
I think an *immediate* improvement we could make to ease people's life is to
make `auto` peel the outermost qualifier level inside functions.
So that:
```D
const int* ptr;
auto p2 = ptr;
static assert(is(typ
On 2/15/2022 4:22 AM, Mike Parker wrote:
Personally, I'm super pumped about this. I hope to see a lot of you in London in
August!
I'm in!
On 2/15/2022 10:55 PM, Rainer Schuetze wrote:
The PR was too late for the beta, but this is the basic change:
https://github.com/dlang/druntime/pull/3740/files#diff-5cbe9748431681a766784b1bd997444d58d436a26a345b32397daae478f85c5dR907
Sweet!
Now that the beta is released (Thank you, Martin!) could we get the
documentation for __import pulled?
https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/3182
On 2/19/2022 12:26 PM, Elronnd wrote:
I think it is fine as is.
So do I. I enjoy the unusual phrasings some ESL people use. For example, a long
time ago in a circle of friends of mine one ESL person would say things like:
"time for go" instead of "time to go"
"make some shoppings" inst
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
On 4/17/2022 5:40 PM, Ali Çehreli wrote:
On 4/17/22 13:12, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
(My earlier post disappeared.)
April 20 is Wednesday.
Ali
Gak! My bad. You're right.
On 4/19/2022 5:41 AM, jmh530 wrote:
Will there be a recording available?
Yes. NWCPP routinely posts the video a few days later.
On 4/17/2022 1:12 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
Slides:
https://nwcpp.org/talks/2022/modules_in_c.pdf
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImfbGm0fls
On 4/22/2022 2:24 AM, Martin Nowak wrote:
Glad to announce the first beta for the 2.100.0 release, ♥ to the 40
contributors.
http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta
http://dlang.org/changelog/2.100.0.html
As usual please report any bugs at
https://issues.dlang.org
-Martin
Yay! Thanks, Mart
On 4/23/2022 7:45 AM, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
Those are not super critical bugs. It would just be nice to be able to use
D_SIMD one day, as DMD compile speed benefits are enticing.
I've addressed all three. The latter two are the result of incorrect usage, so I
added some examples here:
http
On 5/6/2022 4:57 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
I am proud to announce another major GCC release, 12.1.
Very impressive work, Iain!
Now on front page of hackernews!
https://news.ycombinator.com/news
As always, stellar work, Martin! Thank you!
On 5/16/2022 11:31 AM, kinke wrote:
Glad to announce the first beta for LDC 1.30.
Excellent work!
On 5/29/2022 11:13 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Stepstone did it for Objective-C with #import,
Not the same as C doing the importing of C code.
and Apple with module maps for C
and Objective-C, the modules design that preceeded C++ modules on clang.
Then we have those failed attempts at fixing C
On 6/4/2022 5:29 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
I guess going around the horn is a synonym for lets pretend there wasn't prior
art and keep arguing D did it first, as usual.
Writing a paper is not doing it first.
On 6/4/2022 10:54 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
That paper had a real implementation to follow along,
I didn't see it.
while Lucid and IBM
products were real things one could buy.
That are *C* compilers doing imports for *C* code?
What C compilers have imports:
gcc - nope
clang - nope
VC - nope
On 6/5/2022 7:26 AM, mee6 wrote:
On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 19:26:27 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/4/2022 5:29 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
I guess going around the horn is a synonym for lets pretend there wasn't
prior art and keep arguing D did it first, as usual.
Writing a paper is not doing it
On 6/5/2022 10:49 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 22:41:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
That are *C* compilers doing imports for *C* code?
https://clang.llvm.org/docs/Modules.html
And I am out of this thread.
I had thought that was just for ObjectiveC. It seems it does work for
#28 on the front page
https://news.ycombinator.com/news
Mike has our full support in his moderation policy and authority.
On 7/10/2022 8:26 PM, Mike Parker wrote:
On Sunday, 10 July 2022 at 18:26:13 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
Have you considered uploading the audio to Spotify or somewhere as a podcast?
No idea what that would involve, but for a lot of us there are more
opportunities to listen to a podcast rather than w
On 7/11/2022 2:18 PM, bachmeier wrote:
One reason is that the editing can be done automatically by services like
Descript. I don't know if Mike does it manually.
Doing it automatically means then you've got to spend time comparing the two to
ensure it cut in the right places :-(
On 7/20/2022 11:43 AM, kinke wrote:
Glad to announce LDC 1.30.0.
Yay!
On 8/5/2022 9:43 AM, Max Samukha wrote:
Both "123." and "123.E123" is valid C. For some reason, D only copied the
former.
It's to support UFCS (Universal Function Call Syntax). The idea with C
compatible aspects of D is to not *silently* break code when there's a different
meaning for it. An
On 8/6/2022 2:02 AM, Tim wrote:
It could silently break code if the right function is defined. The following
example is valid in C and D (except import/include), but prints a different value:
```D
// #include
import core.stdc.stdio;
int E2(int i)
{
return i;
}
int main()
{
float f
On 8/6/2022 4:08 AM, Max Samukha wrote:
UFCS could still be supported with the exception of functions named like
exponents. (I am not advocating for it.)
We could, and enter the inevitable bug report from the baffled user who can't
figure out why UFCS stopped working for his algorithm-generate
On 8/6/2022 1:29 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
Seems you should just use a long double/real literal?
real x = 0x1p-16383L; // (works)
Looks like that settles it. (Why didn't I notice that? Sheesh!)
Thank you, Mike!
On 9/22/2022 6:10 AM, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
September was a great month for the D sub-community around #Dplug & #audio.
Very nice work!
Just posted it in the "New" section of HackerNews
On 11/2/2022 4:19 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
On one of the only articles using ImportC (which otherwise shines a positive
light on the feature), this specific issue is the only one that comes up as a
blocker:
The easiest option would be to simply ignore "const" when it is "const pointer
On 11/2/2022 4:19 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
https://briancallahan.net/blog/20220704.html
That's now in the "new" section of HackerNews!
https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
On 12/17/2022 5:12 AM, Mike Parker wrote:
The DConf Online Day One Q & A Livestream kicks off in less than an hour. See
you there!
Many thanks to today's speakers:
Átila Neves
Max Haughton
Robert Schadek
Dennis Korpel
Adam D. Ruppe
who obviously spent a lot of time and effort preparing their
On 12/18/2022 7:56 AM, Robert Schadek wrote:
So stop talking, and start creating PR's.
Yup!
Curious why CSV isn't in the list. I encounter that a lot at tax time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma-separated_values
Maybe just ask OpenAI?
On 12/18/2022 5:08 AM, Mike Parker wrote:
We're coming up on the start of the Day Two livestream. I'll get it started at
13:45 UTC. I'll jump in around 13:50, and Walter will join me at 13:55 just
before his talk starts.
See you there!
https://youtu.be/VCgdajZconA
Another marvelous DConf d
On 12/19/2022 4:35 AM, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
On Monday, 19 December 2022 at 09:55:47 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Curious why CSV isn't in the list.
Maybe std.csv is already good enough?
LOL, learn something every day! I've even written my own, but it isn't very
good.
On 12/20/2022 11:46 AM, John Colvin wrote:
We use this at work with some light tweaks, it’s done a lot work 🙂
Sweet!
On 12/20/2022 8:19 PM, 9il wrote:
It has already been replaced with
[mir.csv](https://github.com/libmir/mir-ion/blob/master/source/mir/csv.d). Mir
is faster, SIMD accelerated, and supports numbers and timestamp recognition.
Propose this for Phobos?
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