Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 11:14:00 UTC, Maksim Fomin wrote: On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 16:37:35 UTC, SrMordred wrote: On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/ What happened in 2009? My guess is constant random methodology changes. I was tracking TIOBE index each month from 2011 till 2016. I remember they announced changes in methodology in title page approximately once per 3-4 months. For example, changing the base from 100% to sum of percentages of all languages(<100%) increased reported % of each language. Taking this into account means that changes in particular month tells nothing. The trend is, however, positive: in 2014-2017 years D stands higher than in 2011-2014 (if you have faith in TIOBE averages). I see sometimes positive discussions about D at completely unexpected local tech sites. That was my thinking too. A real dip as large as what's shown on the graph for 2009 would probably take 3-4 large companies that use D randomly shutting down in perfect unison - highly unlikely. I think that if the glitch were removed, what would remain would be a nice steady upward slope.
Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 10:45:48 UTC, Basile B. wrote: And now ? Just tried. Last version (3 update 4) works well.
Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 16:37:35 UTC, SrMordred wrote: On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/ What happened in 2009? My guess is constant random methodology changes. I was tracking TIOBE index each month from 2011 till 2016. I remember they announced changes in methodology in title page approximately once per 3-4 months. For example, changing the base from 100% to sum of percentages of all languages(<100%) increased reported % of each language. Taking this into account means that changes in particular month tells nothing. The trend is, however, positive: in 2014-2017 years D stands higher than in 2011-2014 (if you have faith in TIOBE averages). I see sometimes positive discussions about D at completely unexpected local tech sites. Although D's position becomes higher in TIOBE, I don't see progress in other statistics, for example in github.
Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 10:45:48 UTC, Basile B. wrote: And now ? I'll check later today.
Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 09:57:24 UTC, Dmitry wrote: Tried Coedit some times. It just doesn't start on my old laptop with Linux Mint. And now ?
Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Tuesday, 5 September 2017 at 19:31:07 UTC, dukc wrote: Other good canditate is BBasile's CoEdit. It's very much like DLangIDE in that it has roughly the same feature set, at least according to readme. It is also very actively maintained like your project. But it has the disadvantage of being written in Pascal. Tried Coedit some times. It just doesn't start on my old laptop with Linux Mint.
Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Friday, 1 September 2017 at 10:18:25 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote: I believe DlangIDE can become such tool. Runs on all platforms. Small. which includes syntax highlighting, auto-complete, symbol-information on hover, go to declaration, Supports it using embedded DCD. and runtime debugging for D. Debugging needs a lot of improvements to became usable. Project is easy to contribute for D developers since written in D. Other good canditate is BBasile's CoEdit. It's very much like DLangIDE in that it has roughly the same feature set, at least according to readme. It is also very actively maintained like your project. But it has the disadvantage of being written in Pascal. I agree with that size thing, the whole DUB package is 40MB with release build. And without the DUB cache even of that sinks to one-third. Under a percent compared to 1.5GB I measured Visual Studio to take!
Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote: What I would most like to see in the future would be a more complete and simplified set of tools for D. I believe there should be at least one full-featured tool for each operating system, which includes syntax highlighting, auto-complete, symbol-information on hover, go to declaration, and runtime debugging for D. It should also include at least basic syntax highlighting for C++, and the ability to build and link that C++ code with the D program. I believe this tool should be self contained, and installable with a single click. An end user of the D programming language should never have to know anything about what dependencies are needed or installed for a given addon/extension. I believe such a set of tools is well within reach. Some existing tools are already very close to what I've described above. I believe DlangIDE can become such tool. Runs on all platforms. Small. which includes syntax highlighting, auto-complete, symbol-information on hover, go to declaration, Supports it using embedded DCD. and runtime debugging for D. Debugging needs a lot of improvements to became usable. Project is easy to contribute for D developers since written in D.
Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 17:40:16 UTC, bitwise wrote: On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 16:37:35 UTC, SrMordred wrote: On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/ What happened in 2009? My first thought was that it was related to the D1 -> D2 transition, but that wasn't it. Considering that I had to ask for the graph to be generated though, I figured that it may have been omitted on purpose due to low sample size, i.e. noisy results. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Clearly the popularity of D is well correlated with U.S. real estate prices. :D
Re: D on Tiobe Index
They have changed way how is index compute. They do this many times in history, so there is almost zero value in this graph Dne 31. 8. 2017 6:42 odpoledne napsal uživatel "SrMordred via Digitalmars-d-announce" <digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com>: On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote: > https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/ > What happened in 2009?
Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 16:37:35 UTC, SrMordred wrote: On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/ What happened in 2009? My first thought was that it was related to the D1 -> D2 transition, but that wasn't it. Considering that I had to ask for the graph to be generated though, I figured that it may have been omitted on purpose due to low sample size, i.e. noisy results. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 16:37:35 UTC, SrMordred wrote: What happened in 2009? Probably other languages improving rather than D usage declining. 2009 is (approximately) the year that javascript began it's rise up the index (Node.js was released in 2009).
Re: D on Tiobe Index
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/ What happened in 2009?
D on Tiobe Index
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/ Usually, only graphs for the top 20 languages are generated on the Tiobe Index, but they were able to generate this for me (not sure if it expires at some point). In any case, I was happy to see that D has been on the rise for the last few years. I'm not sure exactly what has contributed to the rise, but what I've noticed the most is a huge improvement in compiler stability and usability. The website and documentation are also looking very good, where they were once hard read and to navigate. What I would most like to see in the future would be a more complete and simplified set of tools for D. I believe there should be at least one full-featured tool for each operating system, which includes syntax highlighting, auto-complete, symbol-information on hover, go to declaration, and runtime debugging for D. It should also include at least basic syntax highlighting for C++, and the ability to build and link that C++ code with the D program. I believe this tool should be self contained, and installable with a single click. An end user of the D programming language should never have to know anything about what dependencies are needed or installed for a given addon/extension. I believe such a set of tools is well within reach. Some existing tools are already very close to what I've described above. Anyways, congratulations to everyone that's contributed to the trend!
