Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-30 Thread Rainer Schuetze via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 30.10.2014 04:02, Martin Nowak wrote: On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 at 18:25:00 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote: I'm benchmarking my Windows version of a concurrent GC with it. It does quite a lot of allocations, and this is causing some serious trouble because marking cannot compete with the

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-29 Thread Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Friday, 17 October 2014 at 11:30:48 UTC, Marc Sch├╝tz wrote: Marginally related: Page fault handling in user space. http://lwn.net/Articles/615086/ Maybe this can be used as an alternative to forking. Definitely good news for moving GCs.

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-29 Thread Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 at 18:25:00 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote: I'm benchmarking my Windows version of a concurrent GC with it. It does quite a lot of allocations, and this is causing some serious trouble because marking cannot compete with the rate of allocation, causing some tests to

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-27 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce
This means, the program should link with object file instead of a library. Alternatively it can be pulled eagerly by the proposed `init` function if it will explicitly depend on a symbol from a gc library - the linker could resolve the symbol early.

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-24 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 15:53:19 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote: We could experiment with separately linking the GC. It wouldn't be hard to do, though the link line might be a bit weird, since core, rt, and gc are all interdependent in terms of link dependencies. Can't it work like any other

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-24 Thread Sean Kelly via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 06:50:05 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 15:53:19 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote: We could experiment with separately linking the GC. It wouldn't be hard to do, though the link line might be a bit weird, since core, rt, and gc are all interdependent in

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tuesday, 7 October 2014 at 20:06:43 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/6/2014 9:51 AM, Dicebot wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/985 Thank you. This is great progress! I understand the caveats, but can this be put into a shape where it can be pulled despite

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Friday, 17 October 2014 at 17:53:18 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: I've come to even hate anything GUI (except maybe the editor), I'd hate to even think about browsing the file system with a mouse anymore. Yes, you can: Windows Explorer does support keyboard input

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 07:12:25 + Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Friday, 17 October 2014 at 17:53:18 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: I've come to even hate anything GUI (except maybe the editor), I'd hate to even

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 07:09:04 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Tuesday, 7 October 2014 at 20:06:43 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/6/2014 9:51 AM, Dicebot wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/985 Thank you. This is great progress! I understand the caveats, but can

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 08:46:46 UTC, Dicebot wrote: Currently druntime is packaged as part of Phobos library binary so I don't see easy way to do it. It could be possible to do the replacement at the startup using GC Proxy instrastructure but CDGC does not currently support it (though

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 09:53:44 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 08:46:46 UTC, Dicebot wrote: Currently druntime is packaged as part of Phobos library binary so I don't see easy way to do it. It could be possible to do the replacement at the startup using GC Proxy

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 09:57:38 UTC, Dicebot wrote: Uh, what will it link to? extern(C) function like gc_malloc? druntime links to those statically itself so you will get application that links to different GC than druntime itself. The reason is CDGC provides symbols like gc_malloc

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Mathias LANG via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 11:03:35 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 09:57:38 UTC, Dicebot wrote: Uh, what will it link to? extern(C) function like gc_malloc? druntime links to those statically itself so you will get application that links to different GC than druntime

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 13:13:06 UTC, Mathias LANG wrote: It will clash at best, or just ignore cdgc, as objects are considered as a whole, in link order. At best, they won't clash :) If the default GC is not pulled by the linker, why should they clash? Now, if druntime defines

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Regan Heath, el 22 de October a las 10:41 me escribiste: NO, this is completely false, and why I think you are not entirely familiar with env vars in posix. LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH affects ALL, EACH and EVERY program for example. D or not D. Every single dynamically linked program.

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Sean Kelly via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 14:02:33 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 23 October 2014 at 13:13:06 UTC, Mathias LANG wrote: It will clash at best, or just ignore cdgc, as objects are considered as a whole, in link order. At best, they won't clash :) If the default GC is not pulled by the

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Regan Heath via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:27:50 +0100, Leandro Lucarella l...@llucax.com.ar wrote: Regan Heath, el 22 de October a las 10:41 me escribiste: NO, this is completely false, and why I think you are not entirely familiar with env vars in posix. LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH affects ALL, EACH and

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-23 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Regan Heath, el 23 de October a las 17:24 me escribiste: On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:27:50 +0100, Leandro Lucarella l...@llucax.com.ar wrote: Regan Heath, el 22 de October a las 10:41 me escribiste: NO, this is completely false, and why I think you are not entirely familiar with env vars in

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-22 Thread Regan Heath via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 23:52:22 +0100, Leandro Lucarella l...@llucax.com.ar wrote: The runtime is not platform independent AT ALL. ^ implementation Why should you provide a platform agnostic way to configure it? Because it makes life easier for developers and cross platform

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-21 Thread Regan Heath via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:19:33 +0100, Sean Kelly s...@invisibleduck.org wrote: On Monday, 20 October 2014 at 10:39:28 UTC, Regan Heath wrote: Sure, but past/current env vars being used are used *privately* to a single program. What you're suggesting here are env vars which will affect

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-21 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Regan Heath, el 20 de October a las 11:39 me escribiste: On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:54:55 +0100, Leandro Lucarella l...@llucax.com.ar wrote: Regan Heath, el 17 de October a las 15:43 me escribiste: I think you've mistook my tone. I am not religious about this. I just think it's a bad idea for a

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-20 Thread Regan Heath via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:54:55 +0100, Leandro Lucarella l...@llucax.com.ar wrote: Regan Heath, el 17 de October a las 15:43 me escribiste: I think you've mistook my tone. I am not religious about this. I just think it's a bad idea for a program to alter behaviour based on a largely invisible

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-20 Thread Sean Kelly via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Monday, 20 October 2014 at 10:39:28 UTC, Regan Heath wrote: Sure, but past/current env vars being used are used *privately* to a single program. What you're suggesting here are env vars which will affect *all* D programs that see them. If D takes over the world as we all hope it will

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-20 Thread Sebastiaan Koppe via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Friday, 17 October 2014 at 08:28:23 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On Friday, 17 October 2014 at 05:38:05 UTC, thedeemon wrote: Gentlemen, do I understand correctly that you're trying to find a Windows-friendly switch to something that will never see the light on Windows (because of being based

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-17 Thread Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Friday, 17 October 2014 at 05:38:05 UTC, thedeemon wrote: Gentlemen, do I understand correctly that you're trying to find a Windows-friendly switch to something that will never see the light on Windows (because of being based on fork)? No we want general runtime configuration, not only for

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-17 Thread Regan Heath via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 00:01:39 +0100, Leandro Lucarella l...@llucax.com.ar wrote: Regan Heath, el 14 de October a las 11:11 me escribiste: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use environment variables for what they've been created for, it's foolish :-) As mentioned this is not a very

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-17 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Regan Heath, el 17 de October a las 10:55 me escribiste: Regan Heath, el 14 de October a las 11:11 me escribiste: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use environment variables for what they've been created for, it's foolish :-) As mentioned this is not a very windows friendly/like

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-17 Thread via Digitalmars-d-announce
Marginally related: Page fault handling in user space. http://lwn.net/Articles/615086/ Maybe this can be used as an alternative to forking.

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-17 Thread Regan Heath via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 11:18:27 +0100, Leandro Lucarella l...@llucax.com.ar wrote: Regan Heath, el 17 de October a las 10:55 me escribiste: Regan Heath, el 14 de October a las 11:11 me escribiste: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use environment variables for what they've been

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-17 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Regan Heath, el 17 de October a las 15:43 me escribiste: You've got it backwards. I'm looking for a *better* solution than environment variables, which are a truly horrid way to control runtime behaviour IMHO. OK, then this is now a holly war. So I'll drop it here. I think you've mistook

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-17 Thread Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/17/14, Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: In all the years I've been working in Linux I never, EVER came across problems with environment variables being accidentally set. I find it very hard to believe this is a real problem. On the

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-16 Thread Dylan Knutson via Digitalmars-d-announce
Wouldn't it be more generally useful to have another function like main() called init() which if present (optional) is called before/during initialisation. It would be passed the command line arguments. Then a program can chose to implement it, and can use it to configure the GC in any

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-16 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:10:38 + Dylan Knutson via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: I'm sure there's a cross platform way to retrieve them without bring passed them directly there isn't. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-16 Thread Sean Kelly via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 16 October 2014 at 10:56:49 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:10:38 + Dylan Knutson via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: I'm sure there's a cross platform way to retrieve them without bring passed them

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-16 Thread Regan Heath via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:10:38 +0100, Dylan Knutson tcdknut...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't it be more generally useful to have another function like main() called init() which if present (optional) is called before/during initialisation. It would be passed the command line arguments.

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-16 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:54:25 + Sean Kelly via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: I'm sure there's a cross platform way to retrieve them without bring passed them directly there isn't. Runtime.args? it's good, but it isn't modifiable. so programmer must

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-16 Thread Ben Boeckel via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 22:12:05 +0300, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: it's good, but it isn't modifiable. so programmer must manually ignore gc-related args. There's what Haskell (or at least GHC) does: ./my-haskell-program +RTS --runtime-arg1 --runtime-arg2 -RTS --program-arg1

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-16 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Dylan Knutson, el 16 de October a las 08:10 me escribiste: Wouldn't it be more generally useful to have another function like main() called init() which if present (optional) is called before/during initialisation. It would be passed the command line arguments. Then a program can chose to

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-16 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Regan Heath, el 14 de October a las 11:11 me escribiste: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use environment variables for what they've been created for, it's foolish :-) As mentioned this is not a very windows friendly/like solution. As mentioned you don't have to use a unique

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-16 Thread thedeemon via Digitalmars-d-announce
Gentlemen, do I understand correctly that you're trying to find a Windows-friendly switch to something that will never see the light on Windows (because of being based on fork)?

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-14 Thread Regan Heath via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 01:45:48 +0100, Leandro Lucarella l...@llucax.com.ar wrote: Walter Bright, el 9 de October a las 17:28 me escribiste: On 10/9/2014 7:25 AM, Dicebot wrote: At the same time I don't see what real benefit such runtime options brings to the table. This is why in my PR

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-12 Thread Rainer Schuetze via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 12.10.2014 05:41, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/11/2014 4:23 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: It basically defines a bunch of environment variables and run the binary. This is a super common practice in posix systems. We are not inventing anything here. I don't know how windows or other OSs deal

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-12 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 2014-10-12 10:30, Rainer Schuetze wrote: C# programs also use app.exe.config files alongside the executable to setup the application. Maybe we could do something similar. I just found this in msbuild/14.0/bin/csc.exe.config: configuration runtime gcServer enabled=true /

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-12 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Walter Bright, el 11 de October a las 16:39 me escribiste: On 10/11/2014 3:59 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: You can use different mechanisms in different OSs. There is no need to force a runtime to be OS-independent. If that were the case, then we should close the concurrent GC pull request

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-12 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Walter Bright, el 11 de October a las 20:41 me escribiste: On 10/11/2014 4:23 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: It basically defines a bunch of environment variables and run the binary. This is a super common practice in posix systems. We are not inventing anything here. I don't know how windows or

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-12 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Rainer Schuetze, el 12 de October a las 10:30 me escribiste: On 12.10.2014 05:41, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/11/2014 4:23 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: It basically defines a bunch of environment variables and run the binary. This is a super common practice in posix systems. We are not

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-12 Thread Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/12/14, Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: Also, completely unflexible, so to run 2 instances of the same program with different configuration you have to run one, modify the config file and then run the seconds? Perhaps there would be

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-11 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d-announce
Am 11.10.2014 um 06:43 schrieb dennis luehring: Am 11.10.2014 06:25, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu: On 10/10/14, 7:54 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/10/2014 5:45 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use environment variables for what they've been created for,

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-11 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Paulo Pinto, el 11 de October a las 10:50 me escribiste: Am 11.10.2014 um 06:43 schrieb dennis luehring: Am 11.10.2014 06:25, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu: On 10/10/14, 7:54 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/10/2014 5:45 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-11 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/11/2014 3:59 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: You can use different mechanisms in different OSs. There is no need to force a runtime to be OS-independent. If that were the case, then we should close the concurrent GC pull request now. I still don't see why it can't use a special argument to

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-11 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Andrei Alexandrescu, el 10 de October a las 21:25 me escribiste: On 10/10/14, 7:54 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/10/2014 5:45 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use environment variables for what they've been created for, it's foolish :-) Because using

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-11 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/11/2014 4:23 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: It basically defines a bunch of environment variables and run the binary. This is a super common practice in posix systems. We are not inventing anything here. I don't know how windows or other OSs deal with defining environment variables in a

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-10 Thread Rainer Schuetze via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10.10.2014 02:30, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/9/2014 11:25 AM, Rainer Schuetze wrote: Martin is very much against this, one reason is that it does not work with druntime in a shared library. I can understand that, but I also don't know what a reasonable use case would be for sharing a

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-10 Thread Rainer Schuetze via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 09.10.2014 21:38, David Nadlinger wrote: On Thursday, 9 October 2014 at 18:33:25 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote: This is a gcc extension, which isn't supported under Windows by dmd. Can you add this attribute in GDC/LDC as part of a D file aswell?

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-10 Thread Rainer Schuetze via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 09.10.2014 21:46, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2014-10-09 20:33, Rainer Schuetze wrote: This is a gcc extension, which isn't supported under Windows by dmd. It seems to be possible in Visual Studio [1], but that still leaves OMF. [1]

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-10 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/10/2014 12:37 AM, Rainer Schuetze wrote: It was my impression that phobos in a shared library would soon become the default on linux, i.e. any application would use it by default. In that case, all supported GCs might actually have to be included in the shared library. The options to

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-10 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Friday, 10 October 2014 at 07:37:49 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote: It was my impression that phobos in a shared library would soon become the default on linux, i.e. any application would use it by default. In that case, all supported GCs might actually have to be included in the shared

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-10 Thread Leandro Lucarella via Digitalmars-d-announce
Walter Bright, el 9 de October a las 17:28 me escribiste: On 10/9/2014 7:25 AM, Dicebot wrote: At the same time I don't see what real benefit such runtime options brings to the table. This is why in my PR garbage collector is currently chosen during compilation time. Choosing at compile

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/10/14, 5:45 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use environment variables for what they've been created for, it's foolish:-) I, too, think envvars are quite appropriate here. -- Andrei

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-10 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/10/2014 5:45 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use environment variables for what they've been created for, it's foolish :-) Because using environment variables to tune program X will also affect programs A-Z.

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/10/14, 7:54 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/10/2014 5:45 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use environment variables for what they've been created for, it's foolish :-) Because using environment variables to tune program X will also affect programs

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-10 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/10/2014 9:25 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 10/10/14, 7:54 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/10/2014 5:45 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use environment variables for what they've been created for, it's foolish :-) Because using environment

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-10 Thread dennis luehring via Digitalmars-d-announce
Am 11.10.2014 06:25, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu: On 10/10/14, 7:54 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/10/2014 5:45 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: I still don't understand why wouldn't we use environment variables for what they've been created for, it's foolish :-) Because using environment

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 08/10/14 22:47, Rainer Schuetze wrote: C main is no longer under user control, because it is auto-generated with D main. I never liked that change, we've just discovered another reason. All platforms have API's to access the command line arguments passed to main. On OS X that would be

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread Rainer Schuetze via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 09.10.2014 08:29, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 08/10/14 22:47, Rainer Schuetze wrote: C main is no longer under user control, because it is auto-generated with D main. I never liked that change, we've just discovered another reason. All platforms have API's to access the command line

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/8/2014 11:43 PM, Rainer Schuetze wrote: Yes, but the problem is not to access command line arguments, but to run code before the GC initialization i.e. before _d_run_main is executed. If we can assume a C++ backend, using static initialization of a C++ global could work: static bool

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 09/10/14 08:43, Rainer Schuetze wrote: Yes, but the problem is not to access command line arguments, but to run code before the GC initialization i.e. before _d_run_main is executed. If we can assume a C++ backend, using static initialization of a C++ global could work: static bool

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread Sean Kelly via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 at 17:39:46 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/8/2014 12:43 AM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: I think this is an unjustified fear, there are already many environment variables that can affect your program. That's why they are called... environment variables :) Being on

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 9 October 2014 at 14:20:07 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote: Back when Druntime was called Ares, it was possible to choose the GC at link time. Do we really need to defer the decision to run time? If so, switching GCs after the app has started should work in most cases, though I'm not sure

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread Rainer Schuetze via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 09.10.2014 10:18, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/8/2014 11:43 PM, Rainer Schuetze wrote: Yes, but the problem is not to access command line arguments, but to run code before the GC initialization i.e. before _d_run_main is executed. If we can assume a C++ backend, using static initialization

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread Rainer Schuetze via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 09.10.2014 15:31, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 09/10/14 08:43, Rainer Schuetze wrote: Yes, but the problem is not to access command line arguments, but to run code before the GC initialization i.e. before _d_run_main is executed. If we can assume a C++ backend, using static initialization of

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread David Nadlinger via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 9 October 2014 at 18:33:25 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote: This is a gcc extension, which isn't supported under Windows by dmd. Can you add this attribute in GDC/LDC as part of a D file aswell?

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 2014-10-09 20:33, Rainer Schuetze wrote: This is a gcc extension, which isn't supported under Windows by dmd. It seems to be possible in Visual Studio [1], but that still leaves OMF. [1] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1113409/attribute-constructor-equivalent-in-vc -- /Jacob

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/9/2014 7:25 AM, Dicebot wrote: At the same time I don't see what real benefit such runtime options brings to the table. This is why in my PR garbage collector is currently chosen during compilation time. Choosing at compile time is probably best.

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-09 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/9/2014 11:25 AM, Rainer Schuetze wrote: Martin is very much against this, one reason is that it does not work with druntime in a shared library. I can understand that, but I also don't know what a reasonable use case would be for sharing a library yet using different GC's - it sounds

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread eles via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 at 00:18:16 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/7/2014 3:27 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: Walter Bright, el 7 de October a las 13:06 me escribiste: On 10/6/2014 9:51 AM, Dicebot wrote: That's a good idea, but I hate environment variables affecting all D executables.

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread Rory McGuire via Digitalmars-d-announce
I like the on/off at runtime idea. Less scary to try on important code. We can just disable the concurrent gc if we notice dodgy things happening. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:09 AM, eles via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 at

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread deadalnix via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Monday, 6 October 2014 at 17:29:23 UTC, Dicebot wrote: No, I didn't get to running any perf test so far. Did PR as soon as test suite passes and commits looked sane. Will do eventually. Any specific project you are interested in? I'd love to see the impact on vibe.d but it is subject to

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:18:18 -0700 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: That's a good idea, but I hate environment variables affecting all D executables. They always wind up being inadvertently being left on, or off, or set for some unrelated

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread Paolo Invernizzi via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 at 06:58:36 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:18:18 -0700 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: i assume that not everyone are ready to build dmd from sources, Digger? What can be

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 07:14:29 + Paolo Invernizzi via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: i assume that not everyone are ready to build dmd from sources, Digger? What can be easier? i've never used Digger, so i can't tell anything about it. ;-) signature.asc

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 07:14:29 + Paolo Invernizzi via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: i assume that not everyone are ready to build dmd from sources, Digger? What can be easier? p.s. i mean that it will be good to have Digger mentioned somewhere at the

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/8/2014 2:55 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 at 00:18:16 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Sort of like: user: need to fix this on the website n.g.: thanks! fixed now! user: no it isn't n.g.: looks good to me [lots of fruitless back and forth] n.g.: did you

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 20:47:09 +0300 ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: p.s. i believe that there shouldn't be any flags that turns off range checking. if someone wants to do it fast, he can use pointer arithmetics (this is exactly the same as using arrays

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread Rainer Schuetze via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 08.10.2014 19:39, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/8/2014 12:43 AM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: I think this is an unjustified fear, there are already many environment variables that can affect your program. That's why they are called... environment variables :) Being on the front lines of tech

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread David Nadlinger via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 at 17:39:46 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Being on the front lines of tech support for 30 years, it is not an unjustified fear nor a hypothetical problem. What you could do is propose a secret switch to all dmd generated programs that the druntime switch checks before

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread Rainer Schuetze via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 06.10.2014 19:29, Dicebot wrote: On Monday, 6 October 2014 at 17:23:55 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 10/6/14, 9:51 AM, Dicebot wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/985 This is awesome. I recall Don had some solid performance numbers for it in his talk, do

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-08 Thread Rainer Schuetze via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 08.10.2014 22:10, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/8/2014 11:19 AM, Rainer Schuetze wrote: There is no perfect plan how an application can change the default options that are used without arguments, though. Doing this in main() is too late for some parameters (e.g. precise), because the GC will

D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-06 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/985 Here is initial port result available for early experiments. It can be compiled with make -f posix.mak GC_TYPE=concurrent and passes the test suite with only shared library tests disabled (ef20b7a). There are still many issues to

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-06 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:51:06 + Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/985 Here is initial port result available for early experiments. It can be compiled with make -f posix.mak

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-06 Thread Kiith-Sa via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Monday, 6 October 2014 at 16:51:07 UTC, Dicebot wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/985 Here is initial port result available for early experiments. It can be compiled with make -f posix.mak GC_TYPE=concurrent and passes the test suite with only shared library

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-06 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/6/14, 9:51 AM, Dicebot wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/985 This is awesome. I recall Don had some solid performance numbers for it in his talk, do you have any in the context of D2? -- Andrei

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-06 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Monday, 6 October 2014 at 17:23:55 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 10/6/14, 9:51 AM, Dicebot wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/985 This is awesome. I recall Don had some solid performance numbers for it in his talk, do you have any in the context of D2? --

Re: D2 port of Sociomantic CDGC available for early experiments

2014-10-06 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/6/14, 10:29 AM, Dicebot wrote: On Monday, 6 October 2014 at 17:23:55 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 10/6/14, 9:51 AM, Dicebot wrote: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/985 This is awesome. I recall Don had some solid performance numbers for it in his talk, do