Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 7: Panel with Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu
On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 at 13:44:10 UTC, Dicebot wrote: Eh, official definition of breaking change keeps breaking my heart. But I guess this is a mindset set in stone now and changing it is close to impossible. Can you elaborate a little bit? I felt personally that what the discussion didn't really address was that these days the breaking problems are primarily not with the language, but with the standard library, and this is not much less problematic. Yes, it was mentioned, but not really considered in detail, and that's where a significant amount of attention needs to be. You can extend this to spec -- whereas D as a language is substantially well defined, the standard library doesn't seem to be, and there are clearly areas where this needs to be addressed. Just as one example, which strongly affects my own use of and engagement with D: the de facto behaviour of random number generators, which are implemented as value types despite there being strong reasons why they should instead be reference types. I understand that resolving the last major language spec issues probably needs to be first priority, but I don't think this is the major _usability_ issue any more.
Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 7: Panel with Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu
On Thursday, 23 May 2013 at 12:18:14 UTC, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 at 13:44:10 UTC, Dicebot wrote: Eh, official definition of breaking change keeps breaking my heart. But I guess this is a mindset set in stone now and changing it is close to impossible. Can you elaborate a little bit? Please have a look at yet another thread on topic that has escalated just recently :) http://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.1479.1369170696.4724.digitalmar...@puremagic.com Also you can read last dmd-beta mail list for _language_ related breaking examples.
Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 7: Panel with Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu
Also, about that publicity discussion. Currently only way to read D-related announcement on dlang.org (if you are not a forum explorer) is embedded Twitter stuff. It is not very informative and does not bring attention. What about doing proper news feed page on dlang.org (with RSS, yay!) and linking to posts there from #D_Programming ?
Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 7: Panel with Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu
Eh, official definition of breaking change keeps breaking my heart. But I guess this is a mindset set in stone now and changing it is close to impossible. One positive thing to add, though: a question was asked about automatic tools that can make required changes automatically when something breaking is introduced. Starting if next release standard flag will appear that will list all places in code that are subject to specific behavior change: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/2039
Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 7: Panel with Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu
On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:08:50 -0400 Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Destroy: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1etxqy/dconf_2013_day_1_talk_7_panel_with_walter_bright/ Andrei Torrents of the youtube videos (the [HD] archive.org page doesn't appear to be up yet): http://semitwist.com/download/misc/dconf2013/
Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 7: Panel with Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu
On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 at 13:08:50 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Destroy: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1etxqy/dconf_2013_day_1_talk_7_panel_with_walter_bright/ Andrei I'm still not sure what the plan is on this, but Kickstarter backers should be informed that these videos are posted from the Kickstarter update system: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2083649206/the-d-programming-language-conference-2013-0/posts
Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 7: Panel with Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu
On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 at 13:08:50 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Destroy: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1etxqy/dconf_2013_day_1_talk_7_panel_with_walter_bright/ Andrei A request, sir: When posting these videos to /r/programming, would you mind also posting them to /r/d_language ? As a lower-volume, targetted subreddit, the links will stay near the top for longer there, and will be easier to find. Regards, Graham
Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 7: Panel with Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/22/13 2:56 PM, Jesse Phillips wrote: On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 at 13:08:50 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Destroy: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1etxqy/dconf_2013_day_1_talk_7_panel_with_walter_bright/ Andrei I'm still not sure what the plan is on this, but Kickstarter backers should be informed that these videos are posted from the Kickstarter update system: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2083649206/the-d-programming-language-conference-2013-0/posts Done: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2083649206/the-d-programming-language-conference-2013-0/posts/488715 Andrei
Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 7: Panel with Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:54:56 -0400 Nick Sabalausky seewebsitetocontac...@semitwist.com wrote: Torrents of the youtube videos (the [HD] archive.org page doesn't appear to be up yet): http://semitwist.com/download/misc/dconf2013/ Torrent/link for the full original quality video is up now, too.
Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 7: Panel with Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu
On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 at 19:06:14 UTC, Graham Fawcett wrote: On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 at 13:08:50 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Destroy: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1etxqy/dconf_2013_day_1_talk_7_panel_with_walter_bright/ Andrei A request, sir: When posting these videos to /r/programming, would you mind also posting them to /r/d_language ? As a lower-volume, targetted subreddit, the links will stay near the top for longer there, and will be easier to find. Regards, Graham I've just posted the first seven videos there. Graham
Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 7: Panel with Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/22/13 7:01 PM, Graham Fawcett wrote: On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 at 19:06:14 UTC, Graham Fawcett wrote: On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 at 13:08:50 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Destroy: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1etxqy/dconf_2013_day_1_talk_7_panel_with_walter_bright/ Andrei A request, sir: When posting these videos to /r/programming, would you mind also posting them to /r/d_language ? As a lower-volume, targetted subreddit, the links will stay near the top for longer there, and will be easier to find. Regards, Graham I've just posted the first seven videos there. Graham Awesome, thanks very much! Andrei
