Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On 6/21/14, 1:02 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/21/2014 6:15 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: Youtube supports 4k resolution, is that good enough :). All videos from RailsConf 2014 was uploaded to youtube in 1080p resolution. For presentation videos, I don't see any point to hi res. DVD quality is more than good enough. Slides can get awfully blurry in low res. -- Andrei
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On 2014-06-20 23:48, Dicebot wrote: I always upload highest quality available on archive.org (634.3 MB for this one), YouTube re-encoding must be pretty good :) I have no idea. I'm using the video downloader add-on in Firefox and I chose HD mp4. But even if it was 634.3 MB it's still quite far form 2.8 GB which the talk by Bjarne was. It's only 20 minutes longer. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Friday, 20 June 2014 at 22:04:37 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I use archive.org because it's the only I found that accepts full-resolution videos. -- Andrei A bit off-topic but I just found this while searching around archive.org with `subject:D Programming` https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_univacunivng1959_9057395 I love the fact that UNIVAC has more breakpoints available than the AVR32 devices we use at work! Cheers, ed
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On 2014-06-21 00:04, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I use archive.org because it's the only I found that accepts full-resolution videos. -- Andrei Youtube supports 4k resolution, is that good enough :). All videos from RailsConf 2014 was uploaded to youtube in 1080p resolution. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On 6/21/2014 6:15 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: Youtube supports 4k resolution, is that good enough :). All videos from RailsConf 2014 was uploaded to youtube in 1080p resolution. For presentation videos, I don't see any point to hi res. DVD quality is more than good enough.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Saturday, 21 June 2014 at 20:02:56 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/21/2014 6:15 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: Youtube supports 4k resolution, is that good enough :). All videos from RailsConf 2014 was uploaded to youtube in 1080p resolution. For presentation videos, I don't see any point to hi res. DVD quality is more than good enough. See thats the great thing about youtube, even if you upload it in high res, the users can select the quality they want, so really there is no reason not to just upload the best and let the user decide.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On 2014-06-19 14:16, Joakim wrote: Sorry, I just noticed that you were only talking about HD quality. I don't know where you're getting the 350 MB figure, as all the HD recordings on archive.org are about 6-800 GB, but yeah, file sizes will vary based on the type of HD resolution and encoding used. I wouldn't call any hour-long video encoded into 350 MB HD quality though, as it's likely so compressed as to look muddy. If I recall correctly, this talk, uploaded to youtube by Dicebot, was around 350 MB, HD quality. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Friday, 20 June 2014 at 21:44:16 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2014-06-19 14:16, Joakim wrote: Sorry, I just noticed that you were only talking about HD quality. I don't know where you're getting the 350 MB figure, as all the HD recordings on archive.org are about 6-800 GB, but yeah, file sizes will vary based on the type of HD resolution and encoding used. I wouldn't call any hour-long video encoded into 350 MB HD quality though, as it's likely so compressed as to look muddy. If I recall correctly, this talk, uploaded to youtube by Dicebot, was around 350 MB, HD quality. I always upload highest quality available on archive.org (634.3 MB for this one), YouTube re-encoding must be pretty good :)
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On 6/19/14, 5:16 AM, Joakim wrote: On Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 11:04:25 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: My connection is specified to 10 Mbps. But it depends on how large the files are. Most of the files from DConf are under around 350MB in HD quality. On the other hand, Andrei's talk from LangNext 2014 is 1.3 GB and 48 minutes long while the talk by Bjarne is 2.8 GB and 68 minutes long. There are also 740 and 65.8 MB encodings of Andrei's talk that are perfectly usable. I should know, as I downloaded the latter. Same for Bjarne's talk, which I haven't downloaded. Sorry, I just noticed that you were only talking about HD quality. I don't know where you're getting the 350 MB figure, as all the HD recordings on archive.org are about 6-800 GB, but yeah, file sizes will vary based on the type of HD resolution and encoding used. I wouldn't call any hour-long video encoded into 350 MB HD quality though, as it's likely so compressed as to look muddy. I use archive.org because it's the only I found that accepts full-resolution videos. -- Andrei
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On 2014-06-18 21:45, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Your internet must be a lot faster than mine :P I only get about 2 Mbps down so I like to get a lower quality file that downloads faster but still plays reliably... youtube seems to handle it well automatically. My connection is specified to 10 Mbps. But it depends on how large the files are. Most of the files from DConf are under around 350MB in HD quality. On the other hand, Andrei's talk from LangNext 2014 is 1.3 GB and 48 minutes long while the talk by Bjarne is 2.8 GB and 68 minutes long. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 03:23:15 UTC, Saurabh Das wrote: I find it impossible to even find the posts on HN. Within a few hours of them being posted by Andrei, they are buried 4-5 pages deep in the 'new' section with very few upvotes. This search for DConf finds 5 of the 7 talks posted so far: https://hn.algolia.com/#!/story/past_month/prefix/0/dconf None have any comments and most have practically no votes, so that explains why you didn't find them on there. Two other talks were not labeled DConf for some reason, but only the Meyers talk, which wasn't about D, had any comments or much votes: https://hn.algolia.com/#!/story/past_month/prefix/0/meyers Last year I saw most of the talks (DConf13) on HN and r/programming. This year I find them only on this forum because the talks are not staying up on HN or r/p front pages for much time. There has been some suggestion that they are being moderated down. The Reddit postings get about a hundred votes, not sure if that's much on their site, as I don't use it. If you're aware of this forum, not sure why you're going there anyway. On Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 11:04:25 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: My connection is specified to 10 Mbps. But it depends on how large the files are. Most of the files from DConf are under around 350MB in HD quality. On the other hand, Andrei's talk from LangNext 2014 is 1.3 GB and 48 minutes long while the talk by Bjarne is 2.8 GB and 68 minutes long. There are also 740 and 65.8 MB encodings of Andrei's talk that are perfectly usable. I should know, as I downloaded the latter. Same for Bjarne's talk, which I haven't downloaded.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 11:04:25 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: My connection is specified to 10 Mbps. But it depends on how large the files are. Most of the files from DConf are under around 350MB in HD quality. On the other hand, Andrei's talk from LangNext 2014 is 1.3 GB and 48 minutes long while the talk by Bjarne is 2.8 GB and 68 minutes long. There are also 740 and 65.8 MB encodings of Andrei's talk that are perfectly usable. I should know, as I downloaded the latter. Same for Bjarne's talk, which I haven't downloaded. Sorry, I just noticed that you were only talking about HD quality. I don't know where you're getting the 350 MB figure, as all the HD recordings on archive.org are about 6-800 GB, but yeah, file sizes will vary based on the type of HD resolution and encoding used. I wouldn't call any hour-long video encoded into 350 MB HD quality though, as it's likely so compressed as to look muddy.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 12:16:20 UTC, Joakim wrote: Sorry, I just noticed that you were only talking about HD quality. I don't know where you're getting the 350 MB figure, as all the HD recordings on archive.org are about 6-800 GB, but 600 to 800 MB, not GB. :)
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 12:08:39 UTC, Joakim wrote: There has been some suggestion that they are being moderated down. The Reddit postings get about a hundred votes, not sure if that's much on their site, as I don't use it. If you're aware of this forum, not sure why you're going there anyway. I'd say this is typical vote count for something that no one really cares about but is not considered crappy waste of time :) Top 20 of a months ends with ~700 points right now. http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/25yw89/dash_an_opensource_game_engine_coded_in_d/ - this has gathered 250 being top voted entry about D lately. I like how http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/274ugg/introducing_swift/ got 150 votes and http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/287r4i/smashing_swift/ got 250 :D
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 17:14:54 +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: I'd say this is typical vote count for something that no one really cares about but is not considered crappy waste of time :) Top 20 of a months ends with ~700 points right now. http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/25yw89/dash_an_opensource_game_engine_coded_in_d/ - this has gathered 250 being top voted entry about D lately. I like how http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/274ugg/introducing_swift/ got 150 votes and http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/287r4i/smashing_swift/ got 250 :D Please note that Reddit adds a constant to up and down votes to thwart vote bots for the purposes of shadow banning them (they don't know if their vote counted or not), so a popular post might have more fake votes which inflates its numbers (the score is valid though). --Ben
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 22:00:42 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 17:10:16 UTC, Mengu wrote: and also the genius idea to post each talk seperately instead of having a nice talks page on dconf.org and providing a link for that. i'd understand the keynotes but for the rest of the talks this is / was not a good idea. I think the hope was that it would attract more views overall. I think what was not taken into account was the way Reddit post get viewed, having their up votes spread out among the different posts is much worse than pooling them as the reddit posts are far less likely to be viewed with low up vote counts. Also its annoying for us who just want to watch the talks. A much better strategy would have been a full release of all the talks followed with a reddit post of all of them to get the large burst up front, then after wards have individual posts for each video to get the staggering as well. It would effectively doubled each videos exposure(reddit is all reposts any ways so its all the better :P). According to Andrei's talk, it worked quite effectively last year based off the increased number of compiler downloads per month immediately following DConf. And I do think that it does work better as well, though have no evidence for that besides the number of downloads that Andrei said.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On 2014-06-17 05:38, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 22:23:31 UTC, Dicebot wrote: I have found many of talks this year incredibly interesting for actual D users but not as catchy for something that passes by. Also lot of stuff has been discussed live in #d and ustream chat room. Yeah. Or r/programming is just so saturated with links that something that does not fit into tl; dr paragraph does not get any attention :) It could be that it isn't on the youtube right off too. I posted there saying I tried the ogv and it was awful and the mp4 was too big... so maybe other people aren't inclined to bother with the downloads either. I don't really like archive.org, it's incredibly slow compared to youtube. I prefer to download instead of streaming. Downloading from youtube takes around a minute (HD quality). Downloading from archive.org takes at least half an hour. I don't see why it's not uploaded to youtube directly. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 22:09:06 UTC, Joakim wrote: Nobody paid attention to ruby for a decade, until David Hansson built rails with it. I am hoping the vibe.d will do that magic to D. I need support for MS SQL Server to use it in production though.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Wednesday, 18 June 2014 at 18:50:40 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: Downloading from youtube takes around a minute (HD quality). Your internet must be a lot faster than mine :P I only get about 2 Mbps down so I like to get a lower quality file that downloads faster but still plays reliably... youtube seems to handle it well automatically. I don't see why it's not uploaded to youtube directly. yeah idk
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
I find it impossible to even find the posts on HN. Within a few hours of them being posted by Andrei, they are buried 4-5 pages deep in the 'new' section with very few upvotes. Last year I saw most of the talks (DConf13) on HN and r/programming. This year I find them only on this forum because the talks are not staying up on HN or r/p front pages for much time. Saurabh On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 17:10:16 UTC, Mengu wrote: On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 22:14:01 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: The reddit response this year hasn't been particularly impressive it seems to me compared to last year :( r/programming and hn is all about rust and go. on hn many d posts are invisible after some time. i believe mods are taking action there. if we want their attention, we should compare d with others; we should benchmark d and brag about the results etc. other than that, people are not paying attention to D and it's beautiful features. and also the genius idea to post each talk seperately instead of having a nice talks page on dconf.org and providing a link for that. i'd understand the keynotes but for the rest of the talks this is / was not a good idea.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 17:26:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://news.ycombinator.com/newest https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/867399893273693 https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/478588866321203200 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/28am0x/case_studies_in_simplifying_code_with_compiletime/ Great talk, missed this on the livestream as I went to sleep. Between Dmitry's regex talk and this one, good to see talks demonstrating how they actually used D to build something interesting and how D-specific features helped them build it better. These talks are much better than the more abstract talks, hopefully we see more of them next year.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 22:14:01 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: The reddit response this year hasn't been particularly impressive it seems to me compared to last year :( r/programming and hn is all about rust and go. on hn many d posts are invisible after some time. i believe mods are taking action there. if we want their attention, we should compare d with others; we should benchmark d and brag about the results etc. other than that, people are not paying attention to D and it's beautiful features. and also the genius idea to post each talk seperately instead of having a nice talks page on dconf.org and providing a link for that. i'd understand the keynotes but for the rest of the talks this is / was not a good idea.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 17:26:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://news.ycombinator.com/newest https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/867399893273693 https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/478588866321203200 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/28am0x/case_studies_in_simplifying_code_with_compiletime/ Andrei This is the most interesting talk I have seen so far from DConf14, very good. -tofu
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 17:10:16 UTC, Mengu wrote: and also the genius idea to post each talk seperately instead of having a nice talks page on dconf.org and providing a link for that. i'd understand the keynotes but for the rest of the talks this is / was not a good idea. I think the hope was that it would attract more views overall. I think what was not taken into account was the way Reddit post get viewed, having their up votes spread out among the different posts is much worse than pooling them as the reddit posts are far less likely to be viewed with low up vote counts. Also its annoying for us who just want to watch the talks. A much better strategy would have been a full release of all the talks followed with a reddit post of all of them to get the large burst up front, then after wards have individual posts for each video to get the staggering as well. It would effectively doubled each videos exposure(reddit is all reposts any ways so its all the better :P).
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 17:10:16 UTC, Mengu wrote: On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 22:14:01 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: The reddit response this year hasn't been particularly impressive it seems to me compared to last year :( r/programming and hn is all about rust and go. on hn many d posts are invisible after some time. i believe mods are taking action there. if we want their attention, we should compare d with others; we should benchmark d and brag about the results etc. other than that, people are not paying attention to D and it's beautiful features. I don't know why people bother with those silly sites, which I don't read at all unless they're linked here. None of these benchmarks or other links matter. Nobody paid attention to ruby for a decade, until David Hansson built rails with it. I have seen over and over again that nobody has the ability to reason about an idea or tool like this. You have to build something better with it, something they want, then they'll all flock to use or copy it. You want to show how great D is, build something great with it. Nothing else matters. and also the genius idea to post each talk seperately instead of having a nice talks page on dconf.org and providing a link for that. i'd understand the keynotes but for the rest of the talks this is / was not a good idea. Don't you know that it's better to maintain a steady stream of publicity for D on sites full of people who always dismiss it, rather than making the talks available immediately to the people who actually use D and want to watch them? endSarcasm(); I don't mind it as much, because I'm not bingeing on the talks and spreading out watching them instead, but it'd be nice to see the talks I missed on the livestream and want to watch now, rather than at some indeterminate date in the future.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 22:09:06 UTC, Joakim wrote: I don't mind it as much, because I'm not bingeing on the talks and spreading out watching them instead, but it'd be nice to see the talks I missed on the livestream and want to watch now, rather than at some indeterminate date in the future. I just wish they would release the day 3 afternoon talks sooner since I (as well as others) missed them.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 22:09:06 UTC, Joakim wrote: Don't you know that it's better to maintain a steady stream of publicity for D on sites full of people who always dismiss it, rather than making the talks available immediately to the people who actually use D and want to watch them? Every day until you like it.
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On 06/16/2014 07:27 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://news.ycombinator.com/newest Why not put DConf 2014 in the title too?
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
The reddit response this year hasn't been particularly impressive it seems to me compared to last year :(
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 22:14:01 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: The reddit response this year hasn't been particularly impressive it seems to me compared to last year :( I have found many of talks this year incredibly interesting for actual D users but not as catchy for something that passes by. Also lot of stuff has been discussed live in #d and ustream chat room. Or r/programming is just so saturated with links that something that does not fit into tl; dr paragraph does not get any attention :)
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 17:26:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://news.ycombinator.com/newest https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/867399893273693 https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/478588866321203200 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/28am0x/case_studies_in_simplifying_code_with_compiletime/ Andrei http://youtu.be/xpImt14KTdc
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 22:23:31 UTC, Dicebot wrote: I have found many of talks this year incredibly interesting for actual D users but not as catchy for something that passes by. Also lot of stuff has been discussed live in #d and ustream chat room. Yeah. Or r/programming is just so saturated with links that something that does not fit into tl; dr paragraph does not get any attention :) It could be that it isn't on the youtube right off too. I posted there saying I tried the ogv and it was awful and the mp4 was too big... so maybe other people aren't inclined to bother with the downloads either. BTW I tried posting the link to the sample chapter of my book in this too since it talks about reflection and the post seems to have just disappeared. I think I triggered reddits comment spam filter :(
Re: DConf Day 1 Talk 6: Case Studies in Simplifying Code with Compile-Time Reflection by Atila Neves
On 6/16/2014 8:38 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: BTW I tried posting the link to the sample chapter of my book in this too since it talks about reflection and the post seems to have just disappeared. I think I triggered reddits comment spam filter :( I gave up posting links on reddit years ago - every one gets deleted as spam, and then I have to beg the moderators to de-spam it.
