Re: building of D for...
Kagamin wrote: gleb Wrote: No, i mean application coherently builded accross distribution, i.e., using dynamically linked libraries, not conflicting with any apps/libraries and so on. What dmd conflicts with? Sorry for delay. I'm not shure, will check in a days. -- /GLeb * Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
Re: building of D for...
gleb Wrote: No, i mean application coherently builded accross distribution, i.e., using dynamically linked libraries, not conflicting with any apps/libraries and so on. What dmd conflicts with?
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Nick Sabalausky wrote: Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :) I think he means that some people expect unix apps to do things the unix way, which is scattering the parts of each application across the filesystem. No, i mean application coherently builded accross distribution, i.e., using dynamically linked libraries, not conflicting with any apps/libraries and so on. -- /GLeb * Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
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Jordi Sayol wrote: What's the approximate total amount of people that uses ALT-Linux? Hard to estimate, i do afraid. If overlook some statistic of ALT's forum (http://forum.altlinux.org/index.php?action=stats), there are circa 6680 of *registered* users in the forum and even more in subscription lists (http://lists.altlinux.org/). In another side, ALT is the second mentioned distribution in xUSSR (after Ubuntu, of course). And finally, it is base of the state project of implementation of free and open software for school and goverment use. By statistic of 2008, there are circa 7 general (1 -- 11 years of education) schools in Russia (http://medportal.ru/enc/parentschildren/school/16/), so common quantity of pupil may be estimated in 20 000 000, so as minimum 9 000 000 of pupils should teach IT. 30% of schools should use Linux exclusively or together with Windows. So may mention upper estimate as 2 700 000 active users. As far as i can imagine by discussions, 60% of that choose ALT and derivatives, rest prefer Ubuntu (Kubuntu, Edubuntu). Some percents selects Open SuSe and Mandriva. So rough and optimistic estimation of summary ALT's user base may be circa 1 620 000 of pupils. Of cource, many of that 30% of schools does not use any Lniux at all, so estimation should be reduced, but from the other side, there are many professional peoples in IT and companies besides education that defenitelly do. But in any case, estimated user base is substantively large and may be interested to propagate technology of D among them. :) -- /GLeb * Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
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Al 05/03/11 04:46, En/na gleb ha escrit: Jonathan M Davis wrote: I see. But addition of another option to the list of downloads (http://digitalmars.com/d/download.html) will not break the license? Linking to the downloads certainly doesn't break any licenses. You're telling people where to get it, not distributing it yourself. I see. But the initial question was -- is it possible to assemble dmd for specific (but with large community, so it is not somewhat marginal) distribution? Sources are not in public, so i can't do it for myself The license do not allows to redistribute without permission, so there is no problem if you create an alt-linux package just for Your personal use. Another option is to create the dmd alt-linux package, send it to Walter and ask him to upload to the DigitalMars ftp server. PS: in current state, pushing mentioned Software into the repository, e.g. Sisyphus (0.00(001) % from Windows users), probably will not reduce any commercial profit, rather increase it by some kind of advertising :) there are some examples... If you want to restribute dmd, as long as you have a decent reason, pretty I can contact with ALT's CEO, if you feel it usefull. What's the approximate total amount of people that uses ALT-Linux? -- Jordi Sayol smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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On 2011-03-05 04:42, gleb wrote: Jacob Carlborg wrote: You might want to have a look at: https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm Is it ready to properly manage 1.67/2.52 and newer? (32/64 bit compiling) Only 32bit. well, i'm on x86_64, for example :( Currently the 64bit version is only available on linux and pretty new and not as well tested as the 32bit version. -- /Jacob Carlborg
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gleb Wrote: Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :) What do you mean? Do you want to say, that linux applications are not native for linux?
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Al 04/03/11 08:40, En/na Jacob Carlborg ha escrit: You might want to have a look at: https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm DVM - installs and manages D compilers. Is it ready to properly manage 1.67/2.52 and newer? (32/64 bit compiling) Regards, -- Jordi Sayol smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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Jonathan M Davis wrote: Well, I don't know who produces the rpm or deb, so I don't know how likely it is to get something for ALT Linux. I've never heard of it and have no idea what package format it uses. It's an very rationalised distribution with big packet base, often mentioned as main distribution for so named schoolar project (an efforts for migration in education and goverment use). So some minimal support for it may be very usefull to acquaint developers accross Russia and xUSSR with D. It uses rpm and apt, patched for rpm. Preparation is very simple, rpm specs are rationalised, too. Peoples in ALT and community are friendly, so problems may be solved very quickly. However, if all you're looking to do is install dmd, then simply download Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :) thank you! -- /GLeb * Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
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gleb Wrote: Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :) That will be a problem. See license: --- The Software is copyrighted and comes with a single user license, and may not be redistributed. If you wish to obtain a redistribution license, please contact Digital Mars. ---
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Kagamin wrote: gleb Wrote: Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :) That will be a problem. See license: --- The Software is copyrighted and comes with a single user license, and may not be redistributed. If you wish to obtain a redistribution license, please contact Digital Mars. I see. But addition of another option to the list of downloads (http://digitalmars.com/d/download.html) will not break the license? PS: in current state, pushing mentioned Software into the repository, e.g. Sisyphus (0.00(001) % from Windows users), probably will not reduce any commercial profit, rather increase it by some kind of advertising :) there are some examples... -- /GLeb * Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
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On Friday 04 March 2011 02:20:58 gleb wrote: Kagamin wrote: gleb Wrote: Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :) That will be a problem. See license: --- The Software is copyrighted and comes with a single user license, and may not be redistributed. If you wish to obtain a redistribution license, please contact Digital Mars. I see. But addition of another option to the list of downloads (http://digitalmars.com/d/download.html) will not break the license? Linking to the downloads certainly doesn't break any licenses. You're telling people where to get it, not distributing it yourself. PS: in current state, pushing mentioned Software into the repository, e.g. Sisyphus (0.00(001) % from Windows users), probably will not reduce any commercial profit, rather increase it by some kind of advertising :) there are some examples... If you want to restribute dmd, as long as you have a decent reason, pretty much all you have to do is ask Walter for permission. The license stops you from just redistributing it on your own, but Walter gives permission fairly freely. - Jonathan M Davis
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On 2011-03-04 09:04, Jordi Sayol wrote: Al 04/03/11 08:40, En/na Jacob Carlborg ha escrit: You might want to have a look at: https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm DVM - installs and manages D compilers. Is it ready to properly manage 1.67/2.52 and newer? (32/64 bit compiling) Regards, Only 32bit. -- /Jacob Carlborg
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gleb Wrote: Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :) That will be a problem. See license: --- The Software is copyrighted and comes with a single user license, and may not be redistributed. If you wish to obtain a redistribution license, please contact Digital Mars. I see. But addition of another option to the list of downloads (http://digitalmars.com/d/download.html) will not break the license? Ermm... A specific native build for altlinux?
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On 2011-03-04 05:37, gleb wrote: Gentlemans, is it possible to build some version of D for ALT Linux (the biggest russian version of Linux and one of most used distributions here, http://en.altlinux.org/Main_Page ) and add to the list of available downloads? It would be absolutely great to see it in http://en.altlinux.org/Sisyphus ... thank you, with hope :) You might want to have a look at: https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm DVM - installs and manages D compilers. -- /Jacob Carlborg
